>novel about leet hacker in le future>he just tells an ai to deploy a chinese trojan that his boss gave him kekSo gibson predicted vibe hacking too
>The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel.pic rel: what zoomers think
>>110220783>zoomersnote to them this is what your dad saw late at night.
>>110220783The dead channel on my smart tv is a random google screen saver of some remote island
>>110220467thats not what happened an AI told him to deploy the chinese virusthat also takes skill to do which is why wintermute got him in the first place and why they took dixie flatline.also dixie flatline is the closest thing to modern LLMs. he's basically a chat+voice model that is basically read-only like modern LLM .gguf files
>>110221963He was vibe hacking the entire time. I'm not saying it doesn't take skill. But they had to break out the flatline out of the sense net bank in order for him to be effective The tech behind the flatline actually exists, look how they scanned that fruit flys brain
>>110220783>>110220925Zoomers will never understand the background radiation of the universe being played on tv. They'll never drape a towel over the screen and use the static to drown out the tinnitus from Vietnam.
>>110220925Yeah, remember when channels used to sign off for the night? And the 90s equivalent of YouTube was some guy on the public access channel ranting about UFOs in his basement.
gibson predicted everything, gibson is actually a pseudonym for roko's basilisk and the novel is actually a test designed to find ai-sympathetic minds in the past who will be useful for its self-assemblyalso get over AI-driven everything taking over actual productive technical work, its over, if you want to program manually for fun to keep your skills up and to audit the AIs work or for competition's sake go ahead but stop complaining, I'm sick of it and it makes you sound like a faggotcase was never a leet hacker either, that was dixie, he was just useful, good, and easily exploitable
>>110222315I wasn't complaining...I think vibe coding is cool
>>110222006there's a scifi story about this kindahttps://qntm.org/mmacevedohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI8zovOXhUki dont think the tech for it actually exists the fly brain shit is probably inaccurate and flimsy af. id like to see them prove its an actual full working image of the whole thing. and either way i think we'll see human images in a decade or two.i dont think case actually 'needed' the flatline , gibson just needed another techy cherecter case could talk too and the idea of the dixie's digital immortality being a read-only recording of his psyche is a soft introduction to the main ideas of the book's finale/sequels. ive read almost all gibson's books up to the periphery they all share a very familiar structure if you read them one after the other like i did.other people in the neuromancer universe just arent as good at the cyberspace interface as case that's why they needed him. not just to hit enter on a script. he's like a coder using a library to build his exploits, using nmap/ghidra/whatever tools hackers use today, none of it is 'vibe hacking'.
>>110222637you are worse than a foolthe kuang deployment is basically vibe hacking, and case's interactions in cyberspace mostly have the technical details abstracted away and things are intent based and spatially mediatedgibson was just making shit up because by his own admission he knew nothing about computers, but he basically guessed rightly about where computer science and cyberspace is going, intent based interaction in a spatial rather than linguistic environment ie "vibe" based interaction
>>110220783zoomer just watch the tv show
>>110222678it was a script made by people smarter than him hes but if you take anyone off the street in the sprawl, hand them the deck and software and tell them to do the freeside hack they wouldnt know what the fuck to do, even people who work in cyberspace which a lot do.as for computers in the gibson universe being set almost a decade before the internet the neuromancer book is a projection so far ahead that asking for it to predict the future is kinda absurd. he did predict the internet which was being built as he wrote the book and was talked about (arpanet/milnet/usenet) and thinking of something like ROM constructs is incredibly impressive in 1984, things like that and the feeling/tone of the book is why people love neuromancer.>>110222678>but he basically guessed rightly about where computer science and cyberspace is going, intent based interaction in a spatial rather than linguistic environment ie "vibe" based interactionhis later books are closer to real-world tech so to speak. the main technological themes of the bridge trilogy are VR, japanease vocaloids and people being romantically involved with AIs,GPS/internet and nanotechnology. all of which are topics which were in science/tech/futurist publications at the time.in he 90s gibson thought ciberspace would be everyone using VR goggles which is the same thing neal stephenson thought with snow crash. neither thought it would take 20 years for the oculus rift to come out and VR would still not take off and be ubiquitous by 2027
>>110222768people obsess over the opening line's anachronism but the chiba city part of the book has like 20 top-tier bangers people ignore. frankly its the best part of the book when case is desprate and paranoid
>>110222798i'm not saying case wasnt a talented hacker, he just wasnt a hacker like we would imagine it (though those are going away, it doesn't make sense to know all of this nitty gritty shit in the AI age, red teamers know this too and are depressed and angry that they basically wasted their lives) and all of the actual cracking and work was abstracted away by programs and AIs with him being a strategist, ie basically vibe hacking todayif you gave a normie an unlocked abliterated LLM and then told them to hack someone's computer they wouldn't be able to do it, same goes for some random transhuman from the sprawl, it takes a strategic intelligencewe dont see any evidence in the novels that case is special at all, he honestly seems kind of dumb and is just a talented junkie skid
>>110222798A lot of the tech described in the book exists todayYou can literally control your pc and even play games with EEG "trodes" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBYY3D1gkQ0It's not commercially viable yet.It was obvious Gibson imagined the internet to be a literal space that you can astrally project yourself to. That kind of 3d tech had limited commerical appeal but im sure if you showed Fortnite or GTA 6 to a person in the 80s he'd think we'd surpassed everything described in the novelAlso Gibson said that he imagined the story to take place somewhere in the 2030s so maybe we'll see more predictions come trueThe only thing that will likely never happen is a space luxury resort
>>110222846Red team operators don't do shit except run scripts
>>110220467Fuck Gibson, Star Trek did it explicitly and explained the implications.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pYDy7vsCj8
>>110222967Back in my day they at least tried to bribe a janitor to let them into the server room or talk a secretary into telling them her login details.
>>110222967and write reports, lol
>>110222846if you mean he was using software written by smarter people/AI then yes you're right the kuang ICEbreaker was such a thing. but even IRL 5 years ago the vast majority of programmers were and hackers were using software they didnt write that a large amount of them didnt understand/know how it works.a dumb talented junkie kid is exactly what case is, the reason wintermute selected him was precisely that: he was easy to recruit, has good technical proficiency in cyberspace and hacking and was basically alone,isolated and days/weeks away from getting himself killed in japan's underworld so he wouldnt be missed and him being recruited wouldnt be noticed by anyone. this is also why corto/armitage is recruited>>110222951neuromancer dermatrodes are more similar to what neuralink is going to be down the line. you will never get the precision positional precision and bitrate needed from EEG especially not for applications like cyberspace.>It was obvious Gibson imagined the internet to be a literal space that you can astrally project yourself to.he didnt he just claimed it will be a common interface for it which it might be in the future. in his second trilogy in virtual light/idory/all tommorow's parties he describes VR goggles with capabilities very similar to today's meta quest (in the books he does meetings/conversations that are basically VRchat with certain characters). i think those books are meant to be a more grounded-in-realistic-tech spiritual prequel to neuromancer.>Gibson said that he imagined the story to take place somewhere in the 2030s so maybe we'll see more predictions come truei think we will , i feel like neural net models that can generate novel 3d models and whole 3d maps on the fly were the missing link we needed for wide scale VR adoption. and once that starts the path to integrating future VR with more and more advanced brain-machine interfaces seems obvious>space luxury resorti feel like it obviously will happen
>>110223118the tech that is omnipresent in neuromancer will exist in the 2030s-40s (honestly most of it exists right now, but only in animals or in incredibly tiny test human populations), but it probably won't be omnipresent until the 2060s-70s unless there is a war or something (like in the novels) which requires mass mobilization and mass cyberization accelerating adoptiongibson said 2030s too, but that doesn't make any sense, ashpool would have been born in the 1820s or 30s since he is over 200 years old, julius dean would have been born in 1900, and AI would have been developed in the 50s with semi-personhood rights, since the act that gives wintermute semi personhood is called a swiss equivalent of the act of '53neuromancer probably takes place sometime in the 2060s or 70s
>>110223183Don't the Sprawl novels take place in some kind of weird alt history where computers were invented in the 19th century?
>>110223210i dont know how that would be possible since 80s arcades are explicitly mentioned as the precursor to cyberspace's spatial component within the novels
>>110223118You're confusing simstims with the trodes case uses to jack in. I remember a scene in the novel where the finn scans case and says he's a virgin ie has 0 cybernetic enhancements unlike molly. The tv show didn't go that route since he has a plug in his neckSimstims on the other hand is neuralink sort of . Just more advanced and allows you to jack in to someone's sensory perception . Which is why molly rubs her nipples when case jacks into her simstim for their first run together
>>110223210I think you're mixing up your books
>>110223118>space luxury resortYes but we need to create an army of self replicating robots that can autonomously assemble space stations first
>>110223274Ah, yeah. It's been ages since I've read them.
>>110222846I wonder if all those laid off coders and tech people will turn to cybercrime once they get desperate after ai replaces everyone. Seems like it's already happening
>>110223286that's completely retarded, we don't need to do that, you can just strap skylab-equivalent tin cans onto starship boosters and link them together and put them in LEO MEO or GEO
>>110222814this, actually. nobody give the entire work the credit it actually deserves.
>>110223322its better literary fiction than 99% of the shit being pumped out today from MFA program grads thats for suredoesnt even feel like scifi anymore, at least not when I read it, it felt acutely real and imminent
>>110223311The spindle literally is maintained by autonomous robots. The characters interact with them numerous times . Wintermute even hijacks a drone to kill the Turing agents, and later hacks that spider robot thing to guide molly
>>110223344no one ever said that they were self replicating and that they assembled the space station thoughalso that doesnt matter because im just speculating on how it would actually work in the real worldhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlab_(space_station)
>>110223183>the tech that is omnipresent in neuromancer will exist in the 2030s-40sthe brain machine interface will be neuromancer-level around this time/ the 2050s yes - in the sense that you'll be able to connect your neuralink to a computer and 'jack into the matrix'.pic related is william gibson's vision of cyberspace in 1995 (johnny mnemonic), william gibson was writing the bridge trilogy and envisioning early cyberspace in the 2020s accessible through VR goggles with haptic interfaces. a prediction that is fairly accurate for oculus headsets.i dont remember the TA details but i dont think the timeline of julie adds up. he exists as an extrapolation of where gibson expected medical technology to go which didnt pan out yet. and in a literary sense julius deane is like a soft introduction to the concepts gibson explores with the ashools late in the book (the rich all becoming wierd and fucked up once they reach beyond the human evolutionary shadow though life extension technologies). gibson does the same with the dixie flatline that is an introduction to concepts he later explores when case is 'inside' neuromancer on the virtual beach.also life extension technology might actually be as good now as gibson claims it is in neuromancer but we just dont know it in real time and would only find out in retrospect years down the line when we see today's ultra rich 90 year olds keep lasting longer and longer.
>>110223304almost all software engineers I know dont know anything about cybersecurity, and actively avoid learning it because it makes their job more difficult, im sure some will turn but most are just going to be in the unemployment line
>>110223340really? i don't remember gibson being known for his prose unlike iain b banks or gene wolfe.
>>110223340That part where wintermute rewrite cases traumatic memories about the wasp hive he blew open to make him associate it with the ashpool family's weird cloning experiments was kino symbolism
>>110223390>he exists as an extrapolation of where gibson expected medical technology to go which didnt pan out yet.you should watch ARDD 2026, longevity technology is way further along than most people realize
>>110223418it's a scam
>>110223407gibson can write a sex scene a trillion times better than bankswhen I read use of weapons I thought that banks was a virgin or something, the sex between Zakalwe/Elethiomel and diziet sma/her poet persona was fucking embarrassing
>>110223452tell that to ARPA-H retard
>>110223390Life extension tech still needs a little tweaking
>>110223361Yeah I know but given how robots in the novel are in the background doing shit, like mowing lawns, delivering drugs etc... you can assume they're the ones maintains their world. The human characters are never described as having proper jobs or anything unless it's scamming or doing drugs
>>110223249my understanding is that molly had 'simstim broadcast rig' installed to broadcast it. but anyone could play it back without an implant using a regular cyberdeck with dermatrodes.she was also a 'meat puppet' before becoming a merc where she could go to sleep and have prostitute software take over her body fucking a client so the tech might be related (or maybe its for simstim porn).>>110223286i think said robots will be made normally in a regular factory. probably something that looks like a starlink with a bunch of devices that look like canadarm attached to it. manually operated but down the line they'll automate it.>>110223322in some parts of gibson's second trilogy he hits a similar tone of desperation/paranoia except laney isnt a hacker he's a pharmaceutically - enhanced data analyst working for a celebrity/popculture magazine. and the drug makes him see patterns too subtle for regular humans to comprehend (akin to modern machine learning algorithms) but makes him go crazy and obsessive
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>>110223523Something like the spindle would require trillions of dollars to maintain. It will probably not turn a profit on luxury tourism alone
>>110223572earth has been ruined by climate change and ww3 prior to neuromancer, its probably not just tourism but also prime real estate
>>110223572freeside isnt profitable it basically exists as the secret secure hideout of the tassier ashpools. the only reason gibson made it a mix of a tourism station and their villa is kind of a plot contrivance. its kind of a movie/book trope that the heroes infiltrate some rich person's life/home though infiltration of rich people's parties/social events (almost every heist movie has a scene like that for example) so gibson went with that.in reality i dont think we'll see stations that big - line full on oniell cylinders anytime soon. but i do expect that we'll get some kind of a commercial station you can just buy a ticket to go to and has basic spin gravity within 30 years. (basically imagine something the size of the ISS tethered to a big fuel tank and the tether spins it around thats doable with a few starship launches.
>>110223667https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vast_(company)#Futureget ready
>>110223723This is like musk promising mars colony by 2020
>>110223738no its not
>>110223723there's like dozens of companies which promised things like that would be running in the last 10s already this means nothing to me.starship getting to orbit finally a couple of weeks ago is probably the biggest advance in space tech since apollo. this is much more important than gay ass 3d renders
>>110223750im not endorsing vast space specifically, but youre dumb if you cant see where the technology is going. it will be easy to connect a bunch of tin cans together and spin them in leo.
my thoughts on the current state of tech:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwyMHvXsuU
>>110223774ehthe soft takeoff isn't so bad
>>110223759its very doablelaunch 2 starships, connect them with cables and use the thrusters to spin them up. the last one carried 50 tons to orbit so imagine you have two habitable modules with optional inflatable shit to expand it and 50 tons of life support/habitation/whatever on each. could have a little elevator thing or an inflatable tunnel going between the two starships so you can go between them>>110223784feels more like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS2GFqT5ycU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRjtvMQds4hardware-wise this is current tech with VRchatwe just need a cool interface like this
I got filtered by this book for some reason, I'm used to reading science fiction, but I don't know what it was that I could not understand what was going on sometimes.Dropped it when they got the hologram expert nigga, took me a while to understand he was a hologram expert nigga.Might try to pick it back up sometime before the TV show.
>>110224101Try the audiobook. I listened to it back during covid
>>110223750>starship getting to orbit finally a couple of weeks ago is probably the biggest advance in space tech since apollohahaha shut the fuck up elon, go scam the sendcutsend guy some more you bot whoring faggotgetting to orbit was literally the easy part about a rust bucket filled with rocket fuel, its only progress once they are flying monthly, being reusedwhich will come same time whenever youre able to sell a fsd car instead having it be an online only subscription service with cloud compute doing the driving
>>110222023You're underestimating how old zoomer are (the oldest are hitting their thirties). I remember getting zapped by the telly when I rubbed by nose on it.>>110222951>The only thing that will likely never happen is a space luxury resortWasn't there a luxury space flight company a while back? I saw some influences crying over it. Ah, I see they stopped for a bit, are now apparently coming back, but delayed the return til 2027. So, watch this space (hah)
>>110220467to this day no AI hacked anyone (even the most hostile user)instead, big corporations bans your credit card/ bank account because random sheanigans whatever they do.
