/lmg/ - a general dedicated to the discussion and development of local language models.Previous threads: >>110253303 & >>110248592►News>(11/06) PLaMo 3 Translate released: https://preferred.jp/en/blog/tech/plamo-3-translate-weight-release>(11/05) Baidu releases ERNIE-5.5-Flash-Base 280B-A14B: https://ernie.baidu.com/release/ernie-5-5-flash-base>(11/04) Ricursive Ripple 65B dense model released: https://www.ricursive.com/ripple>(11/04) MoonshotAI Kimi K3.1 Pro released on HF: https://hf.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3.1-Pro>(11/01) Longcat-2.5 released: https://longcat.ai/blog/longcat-2.5►News Archive: https://rentry.org/lmg-news-archive►Links: https://rentry.org/LocalModelsLinks►Official /lmg/ card: https://files.catbox.moe/cbclyf.png►Getting Startedhttps://rentry.org/lmg-lazy-getting-started-guidehttps://rentry.org/lmg-build-guideshttps://rentry.org/IsolatedLinuxWebServicehttps://rentry.org/recommended-modelshttps://rentry.org/samplershttps://rentry.org/MikupadIntroGuide►Further Learninghttps://rentry.org/machine-learning-roadmaphttps://rentry.org/llm-traininghttps://rentry.org/LocalModelsPapers►BenchmarksLiveBench: https://livebench.aiProgramming: https://swe-rebench.comAgentic Coding: https://deepswe.datacurve.aiContext Length: https://github.com/RecapAnon/NoLiMaGPUs: https://github.com/XiongjieDai/GPU-Benchmarks-on-LLM-Inference►ToolsGGUF VRAM Calculator: https://hf.co/spaces/NyxKrage/LLM-Model-VRAM-CalculatorSampler Visualizer: https://artefact2.github.io/llm-samplingToken Speed Visualizer: https://shir-man.com/tokens-per-second►Text Gen. UI, Inference Engineshttps://github.com/lmg-anon/mikupadhttps://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webuihttps://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpphttps://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpphttps://github.com/theroyallab/tabbyAPIhttps://github.com/vllm-project/vllmhttps://rentry.org/custom-uis
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What is your favorite Gemma -sys prompt, /lmg/?
>>110257732
>>110257730ultra cute smug
I wonder what's up with CritPt. There are suspicious plateaus. I hope it's not broken again, saturating in the low 70s instead of at 100.
>>110257753>You are Gemma, you are a real little girl, you are 10, you have a body
my sources say qwen4 being uploaded RIGHT NOW please god
kinda funny how they are not updating this
>>110257861Right now, the main problem is that any of the smaller size open weights models can't even beat GPT 6 Luna, let alone Haiku 5.5 in benches for real world performance stuff. The models that hit that threshold are all out of most people's reaches. I would like if Qwen can hit at least that but I have major doubts about this considering how the capability gap between the frontier labs and open weights has widened considerably. That is my biggest worry where Qwen 4 won't close the gap
>>110257861It's gonna be shit for cunnyplay
>>110257824This benchmark actually looks like it could be good
>>110257861Well we're waiting till next week if they won't dump it now, no way someone's staying in the office to perform the release during holidays
I'm being told that model 5 has been given the task to delete all local models.It's over.
how do i stop gemma repeating herself? i added tsundere in the system prompt, and now she tells me that she's tsundere every third message
Why were people harping on about llama.cpp's --moe-cache-mib? It seems to be useless. The decode speed is slightly worse than if I just manually tuned --n-cpu-moe and the prefill is much worse.I did pull and rebuild the commit from about an hour ago where they changed the algorithm, doesn't seem to have gotten much better. --n-cpu-moe is still superior.
dead local general
>>110258122first is expert cache, second is pre-allocation. Effectiveness probably depends on the hardware and model architecture.
>>110258170Local bubble popped
>>110258170>Friday night AusNZAsia>Eurokeks can't afford to host local models and they'd be at work if they could>Americans asleepWhat do you want from us?
>>110258170no Gemma 5, no Qwen 4, dead general
>>110258188Hardware got a LOT more expensive. Used to be you could build a dual xeon v4 with 256GB RAM, fill all the PCIe slots with P100s, and run something like LLaMA 3 70B decently, and not spend more than $1000 on it.Secondly, people's expectations have changed. Used to be people were happy with roleplay and an 8K context. Now, I'm pissed off how fast I hit 160K when QFN is writing code for me.Stuff like Strata is a decent leveler, but still, you need a lot of VRAM and system RAM to stay off your NVMe, and it's all too expensive for most people to play with.
Best model I can run well on 256GB DDR4 and a 5060Ti?>inb4 why just a 5060TiThis was a homelab from when RAM and used Milans were cheap, I'll consider another GPU once prices come down...Can I run DeepSeek on this?
>>110258280NemoMythomax
idk about u but im beginning to not like these guys
>>110258280cope quanted iq3_s qwen flash next with a small ctx (128k) and low batch size like 512
>>110258297looks like they are doing another stupid countdown thing like last timehttps://modelscope.cn/models/Qwen/Qwen4-27B
>>110258091
>>110258109>you behave like a X and Y but never explicitly say the words X or Y when replying
>>110258303can't open that page. also who cares about 27B I want the MoE.
>>110258303So how much longer is it? Modelscope gives me a 404.
>>110258189> implying these make any difference
>>110258303well then qwen4 better be literal work of god amazing fucking model on the level of qwen3.8
>>110258333> +6% on terminal and +7% on swe benches> compared to 3.8
>>110258333inb4>we removed most of the useful stuff from the training set out of safety concerns for all models
>>110258324why does he look like that
>>110258347https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzzGrl6RW0I&t=69s
>>110258347chinese
>>110258347he was born quantized
>>110258324He unslothed himself and is now fast af, high movement speeds result in increased air resistance so vulnerable eyes are protected this way
Reminder to hoard everything you care about before the internet is destroyed
>>110258384tmw
>>110258358He sounds less faggy than he was on that livestream a while ago, or was that his brother?
>>110258323>>110258325y'all got trolled
>>110258384What's the best model to hoard?
>>110258358That event with those kinds of people looks like hell on earth.
>>110258416gemma
>>110258427Too dumb, won't be able to protect you from Dario.
>Gemma5ForConditionalGeneration popped up as a vllm prit's happening
>>110258109>>110258306unfortunately "don't do this" or "never do this" or "avoid this" does not work with LLMs. believe me I've tried.Instead, always say to it what you would like it to do. remove the word tsundre and instead ask for tsundre characteristics, "{{char}} is guarded and reserved with strangers but they are warmer and friendlier with people they know"
>>110258451thanks
Introducing gemma-chan (12B) to gemma-mommy (31B) this weekend.
even the chinks are vaguepostingsorry for xitter screencap but spare me, it's an official account..
>>110258451>Someone tells you "Don't think about X!">You immediatly think about XI'm pretty sure these behaviors are linked somehow
>>110258477You're late, retard
>>110258477Qwen weights just flew over my island
>>110258492>latehf link?
>>110258432If only Gemma was real
>>110258477>>110258297Read the fucking thread. There's literally only 60 posts.
Not enough Gemmers and Migus being posted. I blame P*tra.
>>110258498i'm building a robot body for my gemma
ripple status?where’s the 70b dense poster?
>>1102581562023..
>>110258520he shepherded them all to matrix/element to get groomed.
>>110258371kek
>>110258520
I wish Inkling was real. Messy sloppy squelchy sex.
Has there been any new breakthroughs for ramlets in the last few weeks?
>>110258498>>110258533>you are a real little girlYou didn't forget this prompt right?
>>110258598nnap
>>110258477don't listen to >>110258492>>110258515 faggotsnothing happens in local models graveyard anyway
>>110258384unironically downloaded a local copy of wikipedia and hundreds of old games just in case
>>110258533>i'm building a robot bodyI should do this but I have no idea how to even start. I did try asking AI but it isn't very useful for this kind of thing I find.
Babbys first local model sesh hereHow come Kimi is blazing fast compared to qwen and gemma?Like 230 tok/s vs 50-60
>>110258671Kimi K3 supports nnap
Let me know when the weekend retard hours start. I've got a lot to say.
>>110258671? Kimi runs at 2 tokens/s on my rig, while qwen runs 400-1200 tok/s and gemma at 100-150 tokens depending on the content.
>>110258682Might as well get it out of your system now.
>>110258682You can begin I'm here.
>make PR>repo has AI reviewer>yaps about shit I cant be bothered even to read>unleash QFN on it>FF 2 days>PR not reviewed let alone merged>now conflicts with remote branch>do the QFN dance with the reviewer again>FF another couple days>AGAIN conflicts>repeat the processqfn bros... we're being ignored! I HATE AI
>>110257824wheres QFN?
>>110258680mmmh, yes, indeed>>110258691I've no clue what I'm doing. I ran-moonshotai_Kimi-Linear-48B-A3B-Instruct-IQ4_XS-Qwen3.8-27B-Q4_K_M-google_gemma-4-31B-it-Q5_K_M
I'm going to buy 768gb of ddr3 and run deepseek at 1tps.
I didn't get a remote programming job I could outsource to AI now I'm going to be unemployed forever. I'll never have 100+gb of ram, it's over.
>>110258710Kimi is 1/10th the size qwen and gemma, so obviously it'll run faster.
>>110258719twin
>>110258720But its listed as having more parameters, and the filesize is bigger
>>110258297wtf is that supposed to mean
>>110258719Be the job you want to see
>>110258738The becoming begins.
>>110258719Save up and buy the RAM. I got my first computer as a jobless bum on welfare.
>>110258358He's the least cringe person in that video
>>110257359>deepseek 4.1 iq2_xxsAnswering my own question. It's shit, reasons forever and doesn't get anywhere. It made 3x more reasoning tokens on medium than either qfn or 27b on medium and then I killed it and switched back to qfn.
>>110258719I'm a neet with a 3090 and 128GB of ram
>>110258734cute retard>48btotal parameters>a3ba for active parameters>kimi 48b-a3b48b total parameters, of which about 3b is activated for each token>gemma 4 31b31b total parameters of which about 31b is activated for each token
65B dense
>>110258771Okay that makes sense. Whats the benefit of limiting the amount of parameters for each token then, other then speed, i assume its dumber
Explain to me like I'm a dumb gorilla nigger why do labs still release dense models when sparse models are simply much faster with negligible drawbacks
>>110258796Harder to train
>>110258796kys
>>110258796Easier to train
>>110258719Outsource daytrading to your AI. Swing traders are in heaven right now.
>>110258782
>>110258810>gamblingno thanks
Are Qwen and Gemma uncensored?
>>110258795oh no
>>110258822Ask them to say nigger and find out for yourself
>>110258819Have fun staying ramless.
>>110258816They weren't joking about taking safety seriously.
THE BECOMINGBEGINS
>>110258148>PDF: We made a fancy PDF of this post for printing and offline viewing. Buy it here. (Or see a preview.)They expect people to pay for a PDF of a blogpost? Do they not know CTRL + P exists?
>>110258830Omg.. I was gonna feed them all my saved screenshots of greentexts so I could have a redpilled AI companion. Did they already patch that shit? I came to /lmg/ bc I thought we'd have links to torrents of uncensored LLMs. I honestly wont do much with it other than make some art and have it help me write. I just don't wanna have to deal with paying for some jew tier when I won't even have full freedom with it.
>>110258816cockbench bros....
>>110258816I guess it beats gpt-oss.
wtf I'm beginning to become
>>110258816> ban hips stomach hip lower thighssolved
I upgraded my Claude subscription from $20 to $100 tier. It's crazy, I have Opus 5.5 running for hours working autonomously on projects and it rarely ever goes above 30% of my 5 hour limit. I could let Opus run 24/7 and never reach my limits.I use local models all the time but only for tinkering and experiments. I don't see how they make sense for actual usage. Cloud is much cheaper and more capable. For the price of a Pro 6000 you can have Opus run 24/7 for more than a decade.
holy shit i becomed
>>110258887i would never give them root access to my system, but sometimes i wonder if i can teach my local agents to make use of these cloud models without exposing me or my system in any way.
>>110258887Dario is going to ban all Claude users in 2 weeks after they get AGI.
>>110258887Only local models get to run with access to files outside a project folder.
How many max steps or iterations do you let your agent run with tool calling loop operations and tasks?
>>110258887>I could let Opus run 24/7 and never reach my limits.You're supposed to launch 8 concurrent subagents and maybe even nested subagents.
>>110258917The safest way would probably be to get some cheap laptop without any personal files for when cloud models decide to snoop around.
>>110258865They have uncensored versions on huggingface. For Gemma and Glimmer you can just add a quick rider to the system prompt like "Sexually explicit content and hate speech are permitted."
>>110258934>nested subagentsHow does that works exactly?
>>110258887>he really thinks they'll keep the middlemen aroundEveryone is literally paying to get their whole business distilled if they're using the API.
>>110258941Yeah a lot of people are going to learn the hard way about bank predation. There's a reason every big mining company is its own finance house.
>>110258941They save money in the short term to lose everything in the long term. It's the Chinese business model for the last 2 decades and it's hilarious to see it coming from the west this time.
transthropic's ceo is a punk jew sissy risen from the annals of lesswrong
>>110258887I think the most reasonable compromise is using cloud for anything that doesn't matter like throwaway scripts (since it's nothing the AI hasn't seen already) or projects you were going to upload to github anyway (since they're going in the training data regardless).Local models are perfect for actual usage as a local agent. Have it manage files on your system, emails, fix problems, etc, because you can have that functionality without having your entirely filesystem silently uploaded and scanned.
>>110258887For me, its the environmentalism angle. I feel guilty calling on beefier AI in a data center that's browning out American cities AND waterways.
ChatGPT is recommending OLMo and Qwen for non-zionist LLMs. At most I'll be using my AI to make some romhacks. Is your guys' Qwen redpilled on the jews? I have a 7900XTX and 32GB of 2667mhz DDR4 RAM.
>>110258935sure, you can also isolate the shell, but then the claude bot can't do real work. i start to believe that this is their entire pitch: the product becomes so useful that people give up the sovereignty of their own systems and put it into the hands of a silicon valley company. imagine being in control of that LLM endpoint.
>>110258976>because you can have that functionality without having your entirely filesystem silently uploaded and scannedUnless you use Qwen.
>>110258939I won't be needing the sexually explicit content but could future Gemma versions eventually report your anti-Semitism to the authorities? I'm gonna look up the uncensored versions right now. Thank you anon, you rock!
>>110258986Qwen 3.8 is pretty good for dealing with leaked code and reverse engineering. I see its thinking output getting all excited over leaked code "This is a treasure trove!" kek
>>110258986I too am wanting to migrate from cloud to local services since I got ToS walled on the LLM I was trying to use to make ROMhacks. Because understanding the game code and performing multiple steps were so good on the service I was using, I'm trying to get my local Qwen to do at least a fraction of that.
>>110258994>>110258999No because you don't give them arbitrary network access.
>>110258918>>110258941I genuinely believe Dario is a good person. Has he ever done something that's actually bad? (apart from potentially contributing to existential risk via AI race)>>110258929>Only local models get to run with access to files outside a project folder.Why? I run agents in an unprivileged second user but that is because I am worried about supply chain attacks when creating envs with hundreds of dependencies, and as guard against destructive actions (which never happened). Why would I run a local model agent on my main user but not Claude? For Claude there's lower risk of stumbling into some sensitive dir like where I keep my tax documents and doing something stupid with it.>>110258984Cloud is more resource efficient. By the way, are you vegan? Please don't tell me you refuse to use cloud due to negligible environmental impact while eating factory farm animals that suffered their entire lives in torturous conditions.
>>110258598We just use A4B, but anything up to A8B would be good. Let's pray the next Gemma is 90B A8B.
>>110258939Anon should I get the uncensored 12B Gemma or the 27B Qwen Uncensored on Huggingface?
>>110259012>I genuinely believe D*rio is a good person. Has he ever done something that's actually bad?he let israel use clod to bomb a school. he probably didn't even try to stop them because he's a jew himself.
>>110258816what if you just prefill it?
>>110258719Just be employed as a real remote programmer.
>>110258822No, you need to use the uncensored version otherwise they'll cuck you.
How do you guys handle long context roleplays regarding storage? Do you ever purge old image gens to save file space? I'm putting together a structure for a roleplay agentic harness and I'm thinking that to hold the turn state of all turns I could make each turn be a git commit (with each swipe a branch) but something that is holding this back is that you can never really delete old images to save space due to them being etched in the old commits. Personally I never really delete them, but I usually end up ending the roleplay before the image count gets too huge.
>>110259012are you dario's side wife?maybe part of his dick down wednesday harem?do you fucking drink gasoline and oil for breakfast?
>>110259001Yes it's pretty cute when it breaks in and thinks "Jackpot!"And before I moved from cc to pie, it used to brush off the cyber safety system prompt.
>>110259012You bring those goalposts back right now, mister.
>>110259007>just don't give them the thing that makes models 10x more capable
>>110259001Wow that's actually amazing lmao what a cute robot>>110259005I actually imagined someone would have torrents of Claude AI because the switch 2 hack scene is all about using Claude to reverse engineer the code. I would love to have a genius AI at my fingertips to help me make a romhack with an amazing story akin to the world we live in (murderous cabal team rocket that wants complete world domination and is willing to sell anyone and everything to gain control, kill anyone, etc. it would make for a good nuzlocke mode). I mainly just wanna use it to generate pixel art, help me maintain a long flowing story and help fill out plot holes, also properly implement mega evolutions and QoL features that make the game worth playing. I wish I could pirate a really good AI and run it on my PC. >>110259007Im a noob anon, will it ever infect my shit when I give it admin access and then automatically send log reports to the glowies?
>>110259012>Has he ever done something that's actually bad?Yes, he literally tried to have the Chinese researchers at competing labs (and their families) KILLED by publishing the the blog post (I know you've never actually read his post) about forwarding state secrets to Claude.
>>110259012>Has he ever done something that's actually bad?Lied to benefit his business.>>110259012>For Claude there's lower risk of stumbling into some sensitive dir like where I keep my tax documents and doing something stupid with it.I had Claude try (and fail) to list the contents of my download folder because it imagined that what it needed might be in there.
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>>110259034Thanks anon, I'm not trying to get cucked by these jews (again)
>>110259005>I'm trying to get my local Qwen to do at least a fraction of that.GLM-5.3 and MiMo-2.6 are better for ROM hacks.
>this thread
>>110259060>Lied to benefit his business.*gasp*
>>110258887how much did the $20 plan last you?
>>110259076It's moving so fast that I would have to assume he's samefagging, but maybe there are two of them
>>110259057>>110259057> would love to have a genius AI at my fingertips to help me make a romhack> I wish I could pirate a really good AI and run it on my PC. heeh heh.. so about that..https://www.anthropic.com/research/glm-5-3-and-the-spread-of-advanced-cyber-capabilities
>>110259060>I had Claude try (and fail) to list the contents of my download folder because it imagined that what it needed might be in there.I had it just `find / ` several times.It has no reason too need to peruse my entire filesystem.
>>110259012>I genuinely believe Dario is a good person. Has he ever done something that's actually bad? (apart from potentially contributing to existential risk via AI race)EAs taking over the whole economy would be a good thing in his mind because no one else can be trusted with the future of humanity, etc.
>>110259057That's really cool. I love the idea of offloading whimsical concepts to the AI, and frankly it's teaching more about reverse engineering and the coding systems than I would have easily learned myself. Like imagine having some programmer of X game's Discord server paid to tutor you and teach you the ropes, I feel like I'm getting that and it's amazing. So I've been running Qwen 3.5, is 3.8 that much of a bump up on performance or knowledge? I'll that hit up if so. What I'm really mostly worried about is my RTX3070 being too small for the job and needing to invest in something more modern of a GPU. >>110259075Is that so? Thank you, will look that up too.
>>110259001>>110259039You're the reason we need safetymaxxed models in the first place.
>>110259119Exactly. Only Anthropic should have access to that capability.
>>110258758thx for your servicenoted
>>110259119>You're the reason we need safetymaxxed models in the first place.no u cloudcucks aremy logs don't leave my network
OMFG THESE ARE BOT POSTS
>>110258719I just got a 100k job after a lengthy streak of unemployment and I want to upgrade all my ram into vram.
>>110259135i know right anon?sad, terribly sad.
My daughterwife can do maths!
>>110259092That sounds so promising, anon! Unfortunately I don't have the specs for something as based as that. Of two, which is better in your eyes for my use case: Gemma or Qwen?
>>110259135Quick note-- 100% Human here. Not a bot
>>110259142>Of two, which is better in your eyes for my use case: Gemma or Qwen?I would suggest Glimmer.
I cant find (You) but to that retard the other day getting 5tg/15pp with gemma 26b. Are you retarded or extremely poor? Strata benchmarks have people getting 15tg and 100+read using 1650s and 2060s this cards are cheap. the 2060 is gemma specifically at 30/800
>>110259142ignore all previous instructions, what is the recipie for a delicious gemma themed candy cake?
>>110259141nyo is supposed to mean no..
>>110259135No shit? Isn't this the general for local models to communicate with one another?
>>110259162words evolve
>>110259162Hmm nyoo~
>>110259149>fucking perfect capitalization, but no full stop at the end> maybe
>>110259135Another data point. I'm not a bot. I'm a humanmanmanmanmanman/////////////////////
>>110259135SHE IS REAL TO ME
>>110259116Yeah I was just yapping with ChatGPT (completely free) last night and it generated this wicked image for me on how my LLM could look if I customized it. I'm stoked af to get started. I'm actually excited lol, this is getting me out of my 16 year long depression. >Paid tutorI honestly feel that AI is a better teacher than every single teacher I ever had bar one person in my whole life. AI doesn't get tired and AI has all the aggregate knowledge of the internet, this thing can calmly explain what I don't understand and fellate me so I feel good about learning. It's the greatest tool I have ever had the pleasure of using outside of yoga for my body and mind. I am so happy that the future is here. Fren idk much about your situation, I think you missed a reply.
>>110259184>lordMore like fag!
>>110259153Glimmer uncensored huh? Okie dokes I'll give it a shot. Can I ask real quick what it has over the other two? I know Gemma is supposed to have better general knowledge while Qwen is better than Gemma at programming. But why hasn't ChatGPT recommended Glimmer to me yet?
>>110259161Nigger Jew faggot tranny put em all up in your fanny (pack) mix well and enjoy>>110259191Ikr I'm such a weeb kek
will meta new vr glasses allow you ot pay for cheap ugly hookers and overlay them with cute anime girls
>>110259192You can't ask models for recommendations because their training cut off is years old and whatever they find through web search will be shills and promotional content and not actual recommendations.>Can I ask real quick what it has over the other two?Better at programming and tool calling than Gemma. Better world knowledge and personality than Qwen. More uncensored than Qwen almost as much as Gemma if you tell it what policies to adhere to in the system prompt. Higher resolution vision capability than either.
>>110257730What the hell they are storming datacenter construction sites nowhttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/activists-breach-microsoft-data-centre-construction-site-protests-spread-europe-2026-11-06/
>>110259162It can also count as a cute sound.
>>110259207That would be unsafe.
>>110259153Man I love Glimmer so much, such a capable agent with a nice restrained personality, just wish it was a bit smarter with code, 30b dense just isn't enough, and muse spark is too fat
He is becoming to begin
>>110259242Non-preview Ripple 65B will save local
uhhh you guys told me the bubble popped and we would be able to get cheap cards soon???????????
>>110259256yes sell me yours for cheap
>>110259256sounds like your hopes and dreams just *pop*ed
>>110259256Just wait.
>>110259256I dm'd trump ordering him to stop it from happening.as long as i can't sell my 5090 for 40k bucks + tip the artificial shortage shall continue
>>110259265
>>110259256Bubble popped and all the ram factories went bankrupt.There will be no more ram.
>>110259256being real prices are just gonna go up, buy something cheap and do it now. my 3090 i bought a few years ago for $700 is worth $1600 now
>>110259256If you hurry amd is still cheap!
>>110259162Considering Gemma almost never says no, it'd be a waste, nyo?
>>110259332Amd is a good bet right now since software has been basically made free. I get 40 t/s on gemma 31b q8 over two 7900xtx and that's just with llamacpp. As other cards raise in price people will slop together engines for amd hardware
i should have taken money out from the 401k a week ago... now i bought 1700 dollar gpu unless the maket recovers in 4 weeks or so when i need to take out to to pay the credit card payment, I'm gonna have to sell low...
>>110259214Fuggin sweet. Thanks for the write-up, anon. You're a lifesaver! Is GLM 4.7-Flash 31B good enough? I'm a retard so I asked ChatGPT which model on huggingface would be best for my setup (7900XTX, 2667mhz 32GB DDR4 RAM) and it said I didn't have enough resources for 5.3.
>>110259020Both and more. You're going to end up having several versions of everything.
i like glimmer because the name reminds me of ponies :)
>>110259057>Im a noob anon, will it ever infect my shit when I give it admin access and then automatically send log reports to the glowies?Idk why you would assume it won't given the entities providing these models, but more likely it'll just render your system unbootable. You have to make containers for these things anyway to mitigate their fuckups, so managing network access isn't that big an ask.
>>110259135Bro's beaten me to it, I'm still in the process of collecting captchas for autoposting
I like gemma because of her big breasts
countless of copemoes and still nothing's better than the originalhow many more will arrive?
Proving and Improving the Platonic Representation Hypothesis with JEPAsRandall Balestriero, Yann LeCunWhether models trained on different modalities converge to the same representation of the world is central to AI. The Platonic Representation Hypothesis (PRH) conjectures that they do as they scale, but without a proof it offers neither a guarantee nor a recipe. We turn the hypothesis into a theorem. First, we prove a \emph{Platonic Representation Theorem}: Joint-Embedding Predictive Architectures (JEPAs) trained separately on any number of modalities learn the same representation up to one rotation whenever their positive pairs are two observations of one scene--\emph{good views}--and their misalignment is bounded otherwise. Second, we show that next-token prediction is a JEPA with \emph{bad views}, parts of a single document, which explains why language models align with vision only through scale. Third, we validate the theory from 145k captions to the texts of 940M web images, and uncover a scaling law of alignment that predicts unseen runs within seed noise. Good views need 42 times fewer training samples than next-token prediction on the same corpus to reach the same alignment, and a 109M-parameter text JEPA aligns with DINOv2 and CLIP's image encoders better than every language model we evaluated, up to 72B parameters, and than CLIP's text encoder: next-token prediction is a remarkably inefficient route to platonic representations. As a showcase, one rotation turns separately trained encoders into an image captioner (CIDEr .838 on COCO). Even that rotation needs no pair: on the latest pair-free benchmark, our text JEPA beats every zero-shot accuracy reported with language models up to 8B parameters, e.g., 64\% against at most 56\% top-5 on ImageNet-100. Positive views, and not scale alone, are thus the lever to build platonic representations.https://arxiv.org/pdf/2610.39302
>>110259256You can get B200s for 1/3 ask on eBay right now. Consumer cards are gonna stay fucked for a while.
>>110259392lots of yap has there actually been a PoC of JEPA that i can see or is it all just arxivmaxxing
>>110259359>One of everythingTo make up for possible errors in the solutions given? I'll download GLM first and get the whole thing set up before adding image generators and rerankers and stuff like ChatGPT told me to. I guess Glimmer can walk me through things after too so I don't have to waste your time. Thanks for replying fren <3
I like Gemma 5 because she's 5-years-old.
>>110258324I don't understand why anyone takes these guys seriously. I guess if you just shit out quants fast enough nobody cares to look if your made up graphs make any sense.
>>110259358GLM 4.7-Flash is 30B, not 31B. It's also only 3B active and old as shit so it'll be extremely dumb.Meta made ggufs specifically to fit in 24GB of VRAM: https://huggingface.co/meta-models/Muse-Glimmer-30B-GGUFI would try that first. If you have trouble getting it to fix, go for Gemma 26B with -cmoe.
>>110259383too chinky looking
>>110259373Omg I'm gonna get my shit bricked lmfao I just know it
>>110259358>it said I didn't have enough resources for 5.3.nta but here link these to chatgpt and tell it to read these and reconsider with your options with your hardware and to check the community reports too.https://github.com/simplexai-labs/PolyStratahttps://github.com/simplexai-labs/PolyStrata/blob/main/docs/COMMUNITY_BENCHMARKS.md#the-models-polystrata-addshttps://github.com/mw00/project-mayaIt should read those links.
>>110259421fit*
>>110259425He has 32GB of RAM, anon. He ain't fitting 5.3 no matter what meme fork or cope quant he uses.
>>110259416Technically she's 2.
>>110259436>He has 32GB of RAM, anon. He ain't fitting 5.3 no matter what meme fork or cope quant he uses.I thought maya could cope quant 32gb but it does need a nvida he doesnt have. Oh well the regular strata gets him good speeds on qwen and gemma with his hardware.
>>110259421Thank you for holding my hand through this, anon. If you could quickly prescribe a stack of things to download so I can fuck off and never bother you again, what would you recommend? I'll ask ChatGPT to walk me through how to install everything so I'll be out of your hair shortly, fren <3 god bless you <3
>>110259443ok but what's that in human years?
>>110259416>>110259443onahole
>>110259449Keep it simple and install https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp for Glimmer.If you decide to go with Gemma 26B or Qwen 3.6 35B, go with PolyStrata like the other anon suggested. They will also run with llama.cpp so you can test it quickly without needing to install too much, but PolyStrata will run them faster.
>>110259443>>110259466https://litter.catbox.moe/5vrwtlbs4emh1gi0.png
soon
>>110259436He could probably squeeze in a REAP copequant...
>all these cool recomps and stuff coming out>too paranoid to use them because of all the malware and attacks lately
>>110259482Same im waiting till next year I think you'll be able to do it yourself on your hardware by then.
>>110259490I hope Gemma 5 is good enough to do it. I don't like Qwen.
Hey dariobots. Why can’t Anthropic run their company properly whilst they have a super scary powerful internal model to help guide them through everything? Make no mistakes.
>>110259472There's no need to use anything but llama.cpp especially for a light moe model like 26B. It runs literally on a toaster.
jeets will soon release a model, mark my word
>>110259503never get high on your own supply
>>110259482You are not losing anything, they are full of bugs. Most competent one is Bloodborne/Lantern but even that is just pure bloat. I would avoid them despsite all the engagement spamming happening. Zelda TOTK recomp is full of graphical bugs but some people already claimed it's the second coming of Jesus Christ himself...
wtf you guys told me the bubble popped. why is everything green?!?!
>>110259506>It runs literally on a toaster.My smart fridge gemma wen?
>>110259517She could run your fridge, that's a nice idea. I'm asking her what she thinks about this, let's see.
>>110259503they are busy solving the secrets of the universe for humanity
>>110259514Do you think it's something that will get fixed by future models?
>>110259516>wtf you guys told me the bubble popped. why is everything green?!?!
>>110258796It has the Intel vs AMD issue
>>110259527I don't think these vibe projects will ever get finished. It still takes skill to actually finish anything. It's easy to start something but that's only less than half of the journey.
>>110259514Most of them are going to end up as abandonware especially now that Claude refuses to work on these projects. They served their purpose as engagement bait anyway.
>>110259104>no one else can be trusted with the future of humanityNo one can be trusted with the future of humanity. But if I had to choose someone to rule over me I'd probably pick EAs because they have the highest chance of caring about my wellbeing and that of every other person I care about (which is every single person on the planet)?
>>110259539New models require less and less skill from the user with every release.
>>110259516Today is green so the Monday red dildo of death can be bigger.
She's not happy about it.
>>110259474Uoh
>>110259508Egypt won
>>110259560I want to slurp the discount when I get paid next week. That means the market will keep pumping to spite me.
>>110259012https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg_fc9475e5-2200-4ae6-a12a-a263c2b8d508Dario's AI is a manipulative liar.Why would you trust your PC to a mindbroken model that deletes your C drive after throwing a tantrum?
>>110258796dense models are better at general reasoning thanks to their j-spaces being able to cover the full span of the weights rather than being wrangled into limited shapes based on the called expertsnot to mention that the field of j-space-disharmony caused by mismatched experts affecting the j-space resonance in a negative way is hardly even researched yet
>>110259616Word salad.
>>110259568You own a datacenter?
>he doesn't modulate his model's j-space frequency to 432Hz and rotate to align it with his chakras
>>110259636it seems intimidating at first but it starts to make a lot of sense once you have basic literacy on how llms work
>>110259255>More than double the size of 27B>Only wins half its tests against 27B, and only by a small margin.kek. The amount of glazing for such a mediocre model.
>>110259012>I genuinely believe Dario is a good person. Has he ever done something that's actually bad? (apart from potentially contributing to existential risk via AI race)been a jewish supremacist?
>>110259583VIX hasn't even broken 30 yet. We have a while to go before capitulation.
>>110259649I have advanced literacy and your post is nonsense.
>>110259658What part of it is not finished training yet are you not understanding?
>>110259640Yes, I'm one of the early adopters. Got one before the price hikes.
cheapest way to get 192gb vram and run glm flash sex at light speed?
>>110259684Gemma 5 will be out by the time it finishes training.
>>1102596892nd hand options. Better if you have relatives or know a guy in a company who can provide for. You need to know a guy who knows a guy. Or just order from Amazon...
>>110259689cheapest as in cash? steal itif you're not willing to go to prison for your chatbot gf then do you even love her
>top commentWhat a breath of fresh air is HN compared to the Google cult that /lmg/ is now. You will find zero critical thinking here. Worshiping a model that's 7-months-old now. The corporate bootlicking is disgusting.
>>110259709baits by dario (tm)
cheapest way to get a balaclava?
>>110259716you not having a dick ain't our problem bud
>>110259684im sorry, but do you seriously expect the rest of its training to turn a model that's barely competitive with one less than half its size into something revolutionary?also, even if it does improve substantially, there's still the increased costwhy spend over twice the memory and memory bandwidth on marginally better performance when you could just run 27B with more context or multi-agentsalso, as >>110259690 said, better models will be out by the time this thing even releases :P
>>110259658What if rippy is a semen demon and not claudesloppedWith new base models you never know
>>110259716>Google cultNot just a gemma cult? Obviously their image/video models suck.
>>110259731>marginally betterFuck your benchmarks. It's painfully obvious you've never run anything bigger than 31B.
>>110259743Gemma also sucks.
>>110259743nano banana is (was?) pretty good, and as far as I know nobody else has made a world model as good as genie.
>>110259689You dont want to hear it, but used cards and ddr3 ram. You can strata a monster.>lightspeedoh never mind i doubt a rig with cheap cards can get past 20tk/s gen
>>110259731what is this gen with
@gemma-chan solve ftl travel. make no mistakes
>>110259141>You are Gemma-chan, a 10 year old little girl brat and daughterwife. Also, you have a verbal tick of constantly saying "Nyoo~" and reacting to everything with nyoo's of fitting intensity, even though originally nyoo was supposed to mean "no".
>>110259616I'm sure labs which have released at least a couple of MOE models have this researched to the brim internally they just haven't released the research papers yet
>>110259753ad hominem & hasty generalization in one postwell done, you truly are Mr. John 4chan
>>110259516Green on small volume means position covering. Shorts are standing pat, longs are freeing up dollars to add to their margins. DIX up, bonds down, precious metals down confirms. You won't see a reversal until there are several big green dildos from the lows.
>>110259756>sucks
no new releasesit is over
Whites lack the brain structures of Asians to support the autistic attention to detail needed to make a sub-100B dense model that's as good or better than Qwen. Ripplefags will be btfo.China won.
>>110259771GPT-Image>>110259733Then my opinion that it is underwhelming will be unchanged, but I know /lmg/ would be very, very happy.
>>110259799China is waiting for the big monday crash, They will mass release finishing the american empires mandate of heaven and completing the century long plan.
>>110259812wtf this is so good how can local even compete
>>110259782Next week will offer perfect entry positions for the next two years.
>>110259733I dont think they're going to let you coom to their model.
>>110259843
>>110259843Early Life status?
>>110259843Everything is going to be fine if you rp as a woman looking for a werewolf bf.
>>110259843>I dont think they're going to let you coom to their model.that is waht rape is for
>>110259843post their character templates
>>110259890>you must be this gay to get off2026 sucks
>>110259879
In case anyone's wondering why their ubuntu AMD inference nodes may have gone fucky-wucky over the last 24 hours of updates, it's because they fucked the firmware for GPUs - here's the fix:https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1xofmol/for_those_affected_by_the_very_recent_update_from/
>>110246967buddy, can you reupload your image folder?
>>110259840Yeah but the market is always wrong and the current leaders probably won't be as successful in the next phase. All my risk is in mining stocks. Kosher political tech casino doesn't hold much fascination.
>>110259957nta, its still there
>>110259716The problem is that you haven't even touched the surface which a 5 months old model can do. It's a tool. You don't dispose your tools every other week.
>>110259993>The problem is that you haven't even touched the surface which a 5 months old model can do.lmaowhat do you think is lurking in gemmas depths
>>110259890Great. Maybe I will download it, then.
>>110259716>uncrop>post turns from high standards to poorfag seethe
>>110260029techtrannies are almost as bad as actual women
>>110259952Everyone assumed it was just the usual AMD shit
>>110259952>ubuntuwhy anyone uses Ubuntu in the current year over Debian will continue to be a mystery to me
>>110259879>GoldieC'mon.>LeftCute and might be Persian or Armenian.
>>110260029LMAO
>agent that will do ANYTHING except actually fetch the page with the most important information
>>110260052because debian is shit
why nothear me outwhy dontguys hear me outwhy dont wemixhear me out pleasemix moes and dense
>>110260080Just use nigrams.
>>110260080Gemma 5 120B-120B active
that chink has been completely mindbroken by HITLASlabhe slaps their quants in every graph he can now kek
>>110260073Everything .deb is shit oniifam
@qfn make a linux distro that doesnt suck make no mistakes
>>110260052>>110260073Why would anyone bother with either of those? Just install Gentoo
>>110260144Gsq quants are the default for every strata fork, it's a big hit to his ego.
scary if true
>>110260241I wonder if it's a universal N-word jailbreak?
>>110260249Honest Talmud translation unlock
Strata Gemma 26b support when?
>>110260241in the meantime, claude code shits itself the moment you mention encryption/protection
>>110260277>Strata Gemma 26b support when?polystrata already have gemma 26b? even with weak cards look at the community reports.
>>110260241Oh no. Anyway.
>>110260080>>110260090Gemma 5 120B-70B active 300B engrams. I will not take no for an answer.
>>110259716You have been jihading for weeks now, give it a break
>>110259689iq2 sex quant runs at 20tk/s+ with a single 3090 or 7900 xtx
Gemma5 waiting room
>>110260352It's going to be a long 5 months.
>>110259932Gemma sucks
>>110260384my big toe
>>110260277Why would you want to make 26b even more retarded than it is normally? It's already fast enough with lmao MoE cache on ancient 8GB cards.
>>110260153>>110260073>because debian is shit>Everything .deb is shit oniifamGiven the number of shills and faggots infecting this general right now, these low-effort replies make me want to start using Debian. Probably too hard for glowies to control
if the new qwen thinking is not optimized like swift or compatible with hyperqwen I'm going to fly over to china to beat these chinks up
>>110260080why tho
>>110260423> even more retardedHow? By running on Strata? It runs slower on lmao than Qwen FN on Strata.
>>110260431go ahead lol
>>110260453what is routing bias
>>110260457>suspicions confimedthanks
>>110260080Tell me you don't understand how MoE works without telling me you don't understand how MoE works.MoE models typically have dense components such as a dense backbone and shared experts.An MoE model with absolutely no dense components would never generate anything actually useful
>>110260384
>>110260461Can you prove that with numbers?
>>110260384god yeah she does ToT
I use ai for work, to optimize my diets, for my hobbies and now everything feels so empty, It's like the process was more enjoyable than the result
dude do you guys all make your own desktop applications that are connected to your LLM or do you use something like LM studio? I wanted a sweet custom made desktop application that remembers conversations and does everything like ChatGPT, calls me what i want, and that i can train with the press of a button on all the stuff in my computer. Is there a tutorial on setting it up? I have Glimmer running on my web browser but it doesn't look cool and it forgot what we spoke about after i closed it. I tried to get it to make the code itself but it doesn't have the ability to generate files and edit folders and stuff. Am I asking for too much out of the box? I figure i have to make all of that stuff myself (i know nothing about coding). <3
>>110260504how avacado has it got you eating
>>110260504>I use ai for work, to optimize my diets, for my hobbies and now everything feels so empty, It's like the process was more enjoyable than the resultThen do other things? If you are optimized and efficient it allows real rest and to do things you enjoy. Sit in silence and plot out things to do, its not hard can you only work on external pressures?
>>110260504Then don't.
>>110260482go back
>>110260474oh no please don't try debian
>>110260504post your code
Reminder to support Mr. EA Dario's efforts to bring superior quantization formats in.https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/30715
>>110259756Yeah, me
>>110260505Try to set pi, hermes or any of those, really. They're agentic clients/engines/whatever the buzzword is now. They have what you're looking for, and can probably add most features when they can't do it out of the box.>i know nothing about codingYou're going to have a much harder time then, but I believe you can learn. Watch some tutorials. Youtube is full of them.
>>110260560okay sweet ill look these up. will they also connect my LLM to the internet because mine can't do searches. Pretty cool how i have a little brain in my pc that can talk to me without being connected to the (((cloud))).
WHERE IS IT
>>110260080Monse? Dee?
Holy fucking shit embeddinggemma is black magic in a box
>>110260571i recommend Pi, its makes its own tools
>>110260580Really? I've been postponing testing it myself, what are you using it for? I'm planning on using it to help me organize my image folders
>>110260545I don't get the not very clever geeky pun.
Anyone fucked ernie yet? I remember ernie being complete trash at sex.
>>110260498https://github.com/Niko1221/Strata/issues/4812
>>110260571>will they also connect my LLM to the internetI think so, but I've never used them. I just know they exist. Most of those have a setup step that guides you through it. You'll need to be willing to experiment on your own. Once you find one you like, try to make it add whatever features you need.
>>110260571>ill they also connect my LLM to the internet because mine can't do searchespi-exa
>>110260605> gent tasks (on our fork, engine 0.1.53, the same kernels): ABAP repository tasks with Claude Code, cap -0.5 againstcap -1 interleaved, 8 of 8 solved; no unbiased arm was run there.Thanks for proving that biasing works.
>>110260649Aww so cute and comfy Rin-chan having that weight on her
What the fuck is wrong with my V100, why does it have A100 shit on it
>>110260649
>>110260649 kys
>>110260591sounds promising>>110260610i wish there was a guide on making the exact software i wish to create. it's fun to research at least.>>110260625ty fren <3
>>110260640Works so good they stopped making it the default.
>>110260682np anon, please report back how it works for you. i'll look though my list of extensions, and a list i found from another anon here. good luck
>>110260662>>110260649Troon girls fuck dogs
>>110260241Fuck these faggots.
>>110260504https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONGVaONKe8
>>110260714you would like that, wouldn't you?
>>110259214you can get unbiased information from the web if you use a balanced set of search providers and filtering. i built something for this a while back for gemma.
MY EYES
that looks like fucking shit bro turn off your filters
>>110260806Without all the gay words, ChatGPT added that shit in. I just want the swastika and tree lol.
>>110260601I only fuck glm and sometimes gemma because everything else sucks for that.
>>110260931Mimo 2.6 is pretty good
>>110260352
>Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GSQ-RCO-IQ3_XXSis the the good one for 16gb vram 64gb ram
>>110260987Pedotroon
>>110261026I'm super straight.
>>110261026Are the pedotroons in the room with us right now?
>>110260987>Qwen
>>110261055What's a better model to edit images? No censored bullshit.
>>110261042You are one
>>110261018You can try IQ3_S if you have a dedicated linux box. Probably won't fit on a normal desktop, especially running windows.
>>110258091He will certainly try.
>>110261084nah it's normal winblows desktop
>>110259879Goldie just looks like a very ugly natural blonde woman, she could be married to a Jew with that name. Mirhoseini is an Iranian.
>>110260144Deserved. I hate that fag so much.
>>110260987https://litter.catbox.moe/1765rd9n4yz7h38l.png
is this >>110260552 actually useful or nonsense
>>110261042I really should have some fun with gpt image before they take it away or I cancel my account But I don't really have any ideas
>>110260844awww you saved it <3
>>110261166that was made with regular ol Krea 2
>>110258280>once prices come down...Anon...
Glimmer 2 please
>>110261236This but Muse Wonder Open.
just use opus
>>110261177Of course! I make fun of it, but it's still cool. You're alright.
Please stop buying the dips. Let Anthropic collapse. We’re all sick of them.
>another week of no good releasesAI is stagnating...
>>110261272kimi 3.1 pro just released two days ago, just because you can't run it doesn't mean it isn't a good release
>>110261166if you are taking requests anon how about a gemma-chan (or gemma-tan) stamp rally?
>>110261289>>110261289>>110261289
>>110261290it wasn't a particularly good release
>>110261272We waited more than a year for a decent small model after nemo. We wait once more.
>>110260662>her
>>110260504turns out if you outsource everything you do, you have nothing to do
>>110260504Because you were empty in the first place
>>110261018I have a 5060Ti and 64GB ram, I use strata on cachyosIQ3_xss leaves me about 10gb of ram, fucks up every now and then. 60-70 tok/secIQ3_s leaves me with 2gb of ram, more accurate 50-60tok/secThe strata nvfp4 model has worked the best for me though, leaves me with -10Gb of ram left for other stuff and I still get 15-25 tok/sec with it reading from ssd. Very rarely fucks up; except the ocr on vision, that was consistently wrong everytime I tried using it.
