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>man kdesu

>>110261128
pkexec >

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>>110261073
Is Linux the ultimate OS of the white man?

>>110261465
temple os

>>110261465
Nah that's OpenBSD. Linux is the good enough half step for slop addicts.

>>110261465
>not unified like freebsd and openbsd
nah

>>110261073
The other day I upgraded Ubuntu 24.04 to 26.04 on my HTPC. This is the first time I've upgraded rather than reinstalling Ubuntu or any other distro since hosing my system trying to upgrade Red Hat or something in like 1999.

The upgrade script said my smb.conf was changed (obviously, I changed it) and I told it to keep the existing version, which it did. But now my samba share expects a password where before it was guest only. WTF? Did they completely change how smb.conf works again?

>>110261465
>>110261482
TempleOS, literally. Terry Davis fucking invented the jargon you're employing.

Command Line
https://youtu.be/_23dFb50Z2Y

Compiler
https://youtu.be/cCqcYC0kwDs

GCC
https://youtu.be/NYClgSGzWnI

Divine Intellect
https://youtu.be/qtaCqU5yY9Y

UNIX :DDDDD
https://youtu.be/k0qmkQGqpM8?si=g6SSzCCvFh97qqKw

What's the friendliest to vertical/portrait mode desktop environment? I mainly want the best out of the box experience, not what's good after 200 lines of configuration

>>110261841
ls -l says smb.conf was modified the day I upgraded so maybe it didn't keep it completely unchanged.

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>>110261482
>TempleOS

Of course its TempleOS! Why didnt I think of that?

Finally got my void image to boot as a ramdisk, goddamn took me months

im having vrr troubles on linux, if i have vrr enabled and its not 100% of time but opening a fullscreen yt video causes image instabiliy and almost like flickering or flashing. no such issues on windows. i wonder whats up

>>110262604
have you set it to automatic or always? automatic should disable it on your regular desktop.

>>110262626
im on guhnome, and the only option is to check vrr on or off. i assume permanently. but wouldnt u want vrr everywhere to get benefits of proper frame timing of say 24hz, 30hz, 50hz, 60hz videos all showing up perfectly on a 144hz screen. i assume that windows works that way. im on latest proprietary nvidia gpu drivers, so it might be nvidia fuckery too

>>110262640
by default (on windows) it is set to automatic (if i remember correctly) so only for fullscreen and fake fullscreen applications. i don't think you want it to always be on because anything that isn't ips has changes in the brightness. browsers, electron applications and anything that uses your gpu and runs at a frame rate would just erratically change your monitors hz. i think i had mpv for example run every video at double the speed with vrr.

>>110262675
now that i think of it nvidia app does do fullscreen only for vrr by default, but does that include opening a yt video in fullscreen or is that different. i might try out fedora kde to see if its any better

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Hey anons.
So, I installed Debian on an external hard disk, and now I'm taking this GNU/Linux thing seriously. There've been problems here and there (the audio meme is real), but the experience has been really nice.
I love how fast my computer is now, compared to when I was on Windows 11. Now, I can browse with speed and play some vidya with very good FPS (60 FPS with medium settings!!).
The only thing I dislike is that programs take a while to open, but that's a setup problem (I have an HDD).

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>>110261482
BASED.

idk if anyone else notices this, but i swear if you move the cursor around and click on and open things and have animations and responsiveness in a DE like say gnome its impressively smooth, compared to something like very janky stutter loady settings in w10. but if you do the same in firefox on linux it feels so much worse than chromium on windows or gnome/de apps in linux. it feels like firefox is in 60fps cap for animations and everything.

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>>110262731
>but does that include opening a yt video in fullscreen or is that different
on windows it would stay off (i tested it because i had issues with vrr on windows too) on linux i can find a lot of people reporting issues with flickering when using vrr and playing videos in fullscreen. there are flags to force the browsers to stop doing that gfx.webrender.compositor for firefox and --disable-direct-composition on chrome.

>>110262813
yeah it works fine when disabled, shame that it cant be used this way. vrr is such weird tech

>>110261465
That would be MacOS, but it isn't free. Linux is the brownest OS. I use it because my hardware can't run Haiku yet, and ReactOS has another decade or two to reach parity with Windows 7.

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>>110262828
>shame that it cant be used this way
android has better support for that. they run for example their displays at low hz to save battery but ramp them up for other apps.
>vrr is such weird tech
yeah. ideally you'd want it to sync always to get perfect sync but most applications an DEs don't expect it.
>>110262813
nvm the chrome flag is windows only or something but you can still turn off adaptive sync per application via window rules in kde.

Is this a good idea? Install Debian stable to avoid constant updooting like in fedora and arch and get new software through the developers websites (tar.gz, appimages, .deb).

>>110262924
Lain uses hacked WIndows

>>110262969
She uses her universe's equivalent of BeOS in the show. She would be an Haiku user (using drivers she wrote herself).

MPV or VLC?

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>>110262969
lain uses me...and im not talkin bout windows

>>110262955
Would be easier to just use Flatpak for everything on a Debian Stable install.

>>110262836
>I use it because my hardware can't run Haiku yet
what's the deal with this meme os?

>>110262999
mpv if you're not functionally retarded

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>>110263190
i have MPV, i just use VLC on my old windows bathtub faptop bc im based boomboom like that

>>110262999
mpv if you have an IQ over 100

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i feel targeted

>>110262999
MPV and make sure evert desktop/screenshot thread has that gay as fuck black and white angled photo of that general from Dr Strangelove that every autist MUST use for some reason

>browse various linux s*breddits
>see a ton of questions like "IZ DYS DYSTRO GUD 4 BEGGINNERS", "DAT DYSTRO ISNT GOOD FER BEGGINERZ"

Like just ask chat gpt lmao. It literally helped me migrate my entire fucking install from one drive to another and worked flawlessly. Something being or not good for beginners is now irrelevant when AI exists.

>>110263160
the itoddler is retarded and is just listing fun toys, haiku is a fun project so is reactOS, and they are gonna stay that way.

Is Pop Os/Cosmic still a piece of shit that randomly freezes?

Any decent cpu benchmark tool for Linux? Want to test for clock stretching.

>>110261073
>fedora
>just works
lol
lmao even

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>>110262955
Obviously you can install Arch or Fedora while not constantly updooting.
Wildcard option: Gentoo with only security related updates applied. (Gentoo allows partial upgrades)
>>110262760
>running an OS from a HDD
Tried it over a decade age, what a throwback. Got picrel in around 2008 and haven't really used HDDs for other than storing animehentai.

>>110263686
Ok, bet.
Install Source Mage Linux with AI.

>>110263686
>migrating a Linux install
What's there to it even?
Obviously you want your old $HOME and a list of installed software and Bluetooth pairings. Anything else?

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>use Gentoo testing (as in ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64")
>update the system
>some binary fails to build
>--exclude it and continue your life
>after some months the package gets fixed and it builds successfully, get to finally --depclean
>some months go without errors until it happens again to some other package
Is this normal when using Gentoo? Been on it for over a year. This time it's XMrig that fails to build, before that it was a part of KDE if I recall correctly. And before that it was some library.
Stuff works alright thoughever.

>>110264486
It is normal churn with any distro it's just that you don't normally notice the build failures because you're not the one building the software but they're usually upstream issues that still reproduce elsewhere.

Don't use testing keywords like ~amd64 if you don't want to deal with that. Sometimes you can use package.mask to force an older version in the tree if that builds fine.

Also file bug reports to bugs.gentoo.org they track build failures and somebody will look at it if they have time.

>>110262955
Just run Fedora and don't updoot. GNOME Software notifies you when you need to worry. It even adds an icon to important updates (e.g. important security patches), so you don't have to figure that out yourself. It's pretty low maintenance and chill.

>>110264617
fedora and debian are both stable distros that don't update their packages to new major releases.
the difference is that new fedora stable releases get cut every 6 month. debian is 24 months.

>>110264747
True regarding release cycle. But Fedora does strategically do upstream patch releases within a given distro release, whereas Debian is more rigid.
In any case, Fedora makes more sense for a desktop.
Debian doesn't make sense anymore if you care about security as it doesn't patch everything as consistently Fedora does.

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>>110264486
this happens more recently.

i'd say unless you patch your packages, gentoo is a meme. but if you don't feel like you want to patch your packages, you're a brain dead niggercattle

-t. 20 years on gentoo.

>>110261073
I want to switch to linux but I'm scared I'll hate it and then have to go through the complete ballache of reinstalling windows.

>>110264503
>Don't use testing keywords like ~amd64 if you don't want to deal with that
Can't get any software without it, shit's all masked and stuff.
>>110264848
Gentoo is the only distro that lets me have a normal desktop (KDE or Gnome) without NetworkManager.

USE="-networkmanager"

>>110264873
What's wrong with NetworkManager?

>>110264860
if you have a secondary device that you can dick around on, then go with that. Windows 11 is absolutely feral when it comes to dual booting

>>110264860
Make a Linux VM and play around with it until you're comfortable making the full switch.

>>110264879
It only makes sense for a laptop/tablet that travels between various networks, this is a stationary PC.

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>>110264873
well then, welcome to the club buddy

>>110264860
try it with a usb or >>110264886

>>110264895
It makes sense on PC too I think. It has hot plugging and hooks that tend to work better than what OpenRC can do. Also supports things like tethering and WiFi out of the box.

>>110264775
>Debian doesn't make sense anymore if you care about security as it doesn't patch everything as consistently Fedora does.
absurd claim.
let's check oss-security mailing list:
https://oss-security.openwall.org/wiki/mailing-lists/distros
no fedora. so fedora is not part of any security embargo and has to wait for red hat product security handouts which prioritize rhel and won't care about non-base packages.

>>110264932
Red Hat is a sponsor of Fedora. They likely forward any embargo information to the relevant maintainers.

>>110264970
And yes, they can do that. The only thing that's not allowed is pushing the fix early to a public repo where people can see it.

>>110264932
>unrelated project's mailing list page doesn't mention fedora
>fedora is therefore in the wilderness security-wise
You know what? Nevermind. Debian is perfect for you.

>>110264970
>>110265005
let's take CVE-2026-115376 in incus:
debian fixed it in september 26:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2026/msg00431.html
meanwhile fedora:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2565787
>Disclaimer: Community trackers are created by Red Hat Product Security team on a best effort basis. Package maintainers are required to ascertain if the flaw indeed affects their package, before starting the update process.

>>110265019
Yes, the maintainer still has to actually do their job. Red Hat can't/won't do it for them. Some maintainers are just shitty is all. You'll find the same in Debian too if you look hard enough. Lots of packages badly maintained or not even touched for years.

>>110265019
Fedora is the beta tester distro for red hat lol

>>110265032
nope, debian security team commonly does their own patches and bypass any maintainer

>>110265050
Debian doesn't provide security updates for every package. Chromium, for example, is sometimes comically out-of-date. They don't have the manpower to provide security updates for absolutely everything, bypassing maintainers to do so.

>>110265019
Ok, fair point. Maybe it's time I leave Fedora for Arch.

>>110265055
chromium is the exception. chromium is massive and upstream is hostile to packaging -- everything is bundled.
gentoo just gave up last month: https://lwn.net/Articles/1097760/
>It's a commitment to volunteer at least a business day's worth of your free time each week when you include rebasing patches, cherry-picking fixes, iterating on `ebuild ... clean compile`, plus trying to identify and fix any new bugs, working out how much you violate Gentoo policy by not unbundling more of the browser, spending time on automation to save time and mistakes later, etc. There's immense pressure to keep builds up-to-date, especially in the age of hundreds of weekly browser CVEs.
expect any distro to either give up their no bundling rules (not really much a distro then) or drop chromium.
so fedora's chromium is also outdated lots of times.

>>110264486
>enable unstable packages globally
>is it normal for things to be unstable?

>>110264144
it works on my machine :^)

>>110265099
For me it's Firefox or official Google Chrome repo. This unfortunately BTFOs AURpaupers.

>>110262425
Couldn't you have just created a bootable .img file and then booted it into memory using Ventoy?

>>110265504
>ventoy

Lol no

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>>110265504
>>110262425
Closest thing is an EFI stub kernel with an embedded initramfs.

>>110262425
What happened? Took me just a day using just Rufus and following Youtux's guide. (Then again, Rufus, although convenient, is Windows exclusive software. Can't you do it via the command line following a guide?) Never felt any need to go back. Or try anything else in bare metal. My first distro ever and I don't have a single regret.
I did try some other stuff out in Qemu, btw, but after installing and using Slackware, Arch, Artix, Gentoo, Fedora (mutable and atomic), OpenSUSE (Tumbleweed and Leap), Ubuntu and Debian, I just installed void in Qemu, this time without the TUI installer, and I'm confident to say that the distro would be the best distro of all time if only it had more packages. It just makes my life so simple and yet still is so light.
I also came to absolutely despise GNOME after the DE was asking me to make a donation in the middle of a Ubuntu install. XFCE really is the best DE of all time. MATE and Cinnamon are just bloated versions of it. Trying to learn i3 to see if I like it.

Why does Distrowatch shill MX Linux so hard? They even mention it in the major linux distributions list of their own, where all the other names somewhat make sense, they're either the big three linux corpos (Fedora, RHEL, Ubuntu, openSUSE) or they are used by big projects (Gentoo, Debian, Arch), or they cover some important niche (Mint for babies, Slackware oldest active distro).

What the fuck is the reason for MX linux to be included? Is the owner of distrowatch the creator of mx or something?

>>110265821
DistroWatch is the sketchiest and most biased site about Linux ever.

>>110261073
i'm learning bash scripting rn, just the basic shit. after that i'm reading "Unix Power Tools" and a few other books about linux i guess. is there anything specific that yall would suggest that i should try learning?

>>110266103
-about linux or bash scripting.

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>>110266103
why would you waste your time on that when a clanker can do it for you? just to be a contrarian chud virgin? bash isn't even good.

>>110266166
Ask grok to kill yourself

>>110266103
Yeah, networking tools.
>How can you tell if port 22 is listening?
>How do you find your ip, gateway ip, and subnet mask?
>How can you tell if traffic is coming in over port 443?
>DonInhave any firewall rules up on this box?

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>>110266194
check in you eunuch power tools how to lose virginity.

>>110266291
Thank the gods for llms, imagine having to actually learn autistic shit like bash or C

>>110264882
I put W11 on a separate SSD and it hasn't messed with my boot loader.

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16 gb RAM is good enough for my needs. However i kinda want to compress it with zstd via zswap for no reason at all. Is there any pro to it or do i just waste overhead on compression?

>>110266103
awk and sed since they are their own fuckery

>>110266103
I have never not found a general CLI book that wasn't either full of antipatterns or so out of date as to be useless. Just read the GNU HTML manual and ask AI for recipes.

>>110266356
AI can't write bash for shit even in short scripts. It wastes syscalls like mad for 'clarity' and can't go 5 lines without inserting obvious bugs somewhere. Yes, even Claude. It can't do C for shit either, but good C is just insanely laborious.

>>110266356
If Bash is difficult it's because you shouldn't be using it.
Anything that's too complicated and has too many lines of code should be re-written in a proper language (the LLM can help you do that…), even if it's just something like Python it will be easier to read.

>>110261073
What's a good zsh configuration without stepping into tinkertroon territory?

There are so many plugins and settings I don't know what to do.

>>110267104
The white man's choice is GRML. It may even be packaged in your distros repos already too.
https://grml.org/zsh/

>>110266519
Everyone should have some kind of memory compression because it frees up memory for cache. There's always a small amount of shared library cruft loaded in memory that never gets used.

>>110267104
just use what you need at the moment then gradually add up things until you don't need anything else, simple

>>110267157
I'm using 6.7gb/24gb on my stinkpad right now. My other computer has a 32gb stick of intel optane for its swapspace. No point

>>110267212
Yes, there is no point to optane.

>>110267212
>My other computer has a 32gb stick of intel optane for its swapspace
If you are implying Optane somehow makes ZSWAP useless, you are wrong. Optane is fast and all but it's still just a peripheral storage.
>>110266519
>ZSTD
Everyone here keeps saying LZ4 is better for that use case.

>>110267342
LZ4 is not worth it unless you have an absolute potato that can't handle Zstd properly. Except Zstd at low compression levels behaves similar to LZ4 anyway so just use Zstd, there's not much point not to.

Looks like CachyOS is working on the EAC malware support for those looking forward to this:
https://github.com/CachyOS/CachyOS-PKGBUILDS/commit/fbccd64894c34cf506d300eeb070e345bb8c1198

>>110267390
good for people tired of windslows hogging their computers hardware

>>110264176
>Got picrel in around 2008 and haven't really used HDDs for other than storing animehentai.
I'd love to have a SSD. At least my HDD has 1 TB.

>>110267390
When will AI get better at writing comments?

Given that systemd is satan spawn of the devil, why do most non-systemd distros force you to install elogind?
What's wrong with Polkit?

>>110268410
Polkit does something completely different to (e)logind. They're two completely different things.

The closest analogue would be ConsoleKit2 except most desktops and applications don't support it anymore because they all standardised on Systemd for session and seat management hence why most systems use it. It simplifies things a lot.

The more minimal alternative would be seatd which can run without logind if you want to but still elogind is just better, less manual, and handles stuff like hibernations and suspend and lid events (acpi events) too so you don't have to write shitty shell scripts with acpid.

>>110268435
>they all standardised on Systemd for session and seat management
Do we really need "seat management"?
I'll use an actual example. The other week I was burning a disc image with K3B over X forwarding. Except that K3B couldn't access /dev/sr0. But then I added myself to cdrom group (I'd forgotten to do that when I installed whereas years prior I would have. Along with dialout, scanner, audio and floppy groups.) and all was right as rain. Normally that "just worked" when locally logged into X on the machine but when over X forwarding it didn't, so presumably something in a login "session" acquires the blu-ray drive for my user.
If my Xserver is running tty7 then I have tty7. If I'm logged into tty2 from getty then I have tty2. This shit shouldn't need a daemon.
>handles stuff like hibernations and suspend and lid events
Only kind of relevant but I don't use that. Hibernation maybe sort of kind of works on some of my machines, though I either keep them running for months or boot them daily, no in-between. Suspend is just gpu lockup city so it's effectively just delaying doing a REISUB or hard reboot anyway.

I'm currently on Bazzite and I'd like to try something new. I only use my pc for gaming and movies.

>>110268519
If you want to support mult-seat or multiple concurrent desktop sessions (i.e user1 is logged in and you "Switch user" to user2 whilst user1 stays logged in but their session is no longer active) then yes.

Also, desktops really don't like to do a lot of manual work themselves and are quite happy that logind (or seatd in the case of something like the wlroots compositors that use that) takes care of things.

>>110268536
Also logind is not just desktop sessions but ANY login session at all. All of your ssh sessions get a corresponding logind session. This is great for auditing and being able to quickly kill off the session (logind makes use of CGroups to reliably do that), etc.

>>110268536
I'm all for multi-user systems but when it comes to devices you either have access or you don't.
Ever since X stopped needing the setuid bit running startx from a TTY should really be enough. Login display managers are just bloat.
>Also, desktops really don't like to do a lot of manual work themselves
Agreed, they're always lazy as shit and copying whatever RedHat does. I just prefer to do without those things instead. I guess really, I don't even want a desktop environment because a window manager is enough for my usecase. It's not like most people aren't just immediately full-screening a browser window anyway.

>>110268529
arch and just download everything you want personally

>>110268576
>but when it comes to devices you either have access or you don't.
Udev rules can be used to grant access a lot of the time but in order to work right they need to know who is supposed to own the device. You can't just hardcode the user and might not want to use a dedicated group because then access can't be revoked.
Logind can help solve that by tracking the user that owns the seat and acting accordingly.

>>110268582
arch is too complicated for someone like me

>>110268721
i promise you it's not

>tried cachy out a few days ago
>really like how it felt
>installed it on my main drive
>installed it on my travel laptop (completely removed windows installation)
>been using it for a few days
>haven't even thought about windows
>starting to think I'm somehow making a mistake

Why is my brain like this? Everything works as it should, I love the way it feels, I love that there's not 800 fucking processes running in the background and I just like it overall but my brain is like "bro you're fucking up big time" WHY?

>>110268721
Just google how to w/e it is you want to do and AI will tell you

>>110268955
you haven't explored your system enough.

>use CrashyOS
>Update
>Kernel 7.3.1-cachy
>Sleep doesn't work anymore
Back to 7.2.14

>>110268955
because you are used to windows and all the fucked up shit that goes on to making it work, and are new to linux so you feel you are gonna mess something up. just explore your system more and you will get more comfortable

>>110268957
what do I gain over bazzite? not like I care about customization

>>110268955
i can relate, i've struggled with moving to linux because i "feel" like something is off and that im somehow missing out. its like a weird worry
>what IF in the future I want to play a game and i cant
>what IF im losing performance and dont know
>what IF a game is buggy and i dont know
>what IF i need windows in the future for whatever social/college/work reason
>what if this distro is bad and i could get a better experience on another one
>what if i messed up with configuring it and i should reinstall and start fresh
but its mostly just weird speculation based on fomo that doesnt really actually matter to me. i try to focus on the positives of linux and generally get myself to treat it like a challenge and moving out of my comfort zone and growing. you cant get anything in life done if you're not okay with being uncomfortable and pushing through

>>110269141
I think that's kinda what I'm feeling. I still plan to keep my main windows install "just in case" but anything I've wanted to do so far has worked and the main games I play (Rimworld, Transport Fever 3 and Dragons Dogma 2) have worked with out issue, including mods, and the games I want to play in the future" PoE 2 for 1.0 and Satisfactory for the DLC all show they'll work so there's literally no issues but it's always the "what if" but the "what if" will never come to fruition because I have the few games I play and the few thing is do all of which work. I just need to spend more time with it.

>>110269116
I'm not sure, you would have to research it yourself but when I did my searching around bazzite and cachy were the most recommended and on cachy specifically everyone was glad they said they moved from bazzite so in started with cachy. Some people mentioned "it's not good for beginners" but that's literally a non issue with AI. If you're happy on bazzite just stay there, no sense is setting up a new system all over again when what you have already works for what you want it to do.

>>110267348
It's actually the opposite. lz4 single stream decode speed is 2-3x faster and similarly advantaged on latency. Only very low end devices which actually need double hardware memory size to function benefit from zstd.

Is stability overblown? When even Arch can be maintained without breaking for a long time, it feels like the obsession comes from a sys admin mindset where ensuring that a bunch of computers experienced as little issues as possible was necessary and it got carried over to personal computing. Yeah I'm talking about debianfags,

>>110269568
Yeah Debian made sense in the late 90s when you had to buy a new set of install media every release because downloading it over the 56k connection you also use as your household phone wasn't realistic. These days only braindamaged Windows refugees think long stable releases are necessary on desktops.

>>110269740
>These days only braindamaged Windows refugees think long stable releases are necessary on desktops.
windows is stable base but latest apps. that's the most sane setup. it's just not possible on linux due to dynamic linking. going either latest everything or stable everything are compromises.

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>>110269568
what's your use case?
no one develops for cuda on arch. even non-lts ubuntu isn't supported.
https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads?target_os=Linux&target_arch=x86_64&Distribution=Ubuntu

>>110268955
dual boot, its easy these days

>>110269833
>(((supported)))

>>110269843
NTA but in my experience windows does not like dual booting. Even if everything installs correctly and it works windows can randomly decide to "update" the bootloader and break it

>>110269783
>windows is stable base but latest apps
Only if you know to steal LTSC. 95%+ Windows users get unstable base and unstable apps, plus adware and data mining installed by the OS vendor.

I wanna stop using windows so, should I grab Ubuntu or Fedora?
I lack the knowledge to use Arch or Nixos or whatever better systems exist for advanced users.

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nigger

>>110270453
fedora kde is you can run a few command from the rpm fusion website and mint (not ubuntu) if you can't
https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryHowto%5Cb%29
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Multimedia?highlight=%28%5CbCategoryHowto%5Cb%29

>>110270453
I would advise you to try fedora. The KDE version offers a desktop experience similar to Windows

>>110269141
>>110269191
What is happening my two anons is that linux still suffers from small annoyances that might not totally break your experience but they affect your immersion. Some misaligned thing, some new app that does not show the window decorations properly, some odd stutter in only one specific window and not the others, one extra reboot you need to do because the second screen is just not being recognized. (All things I noticed today in my Fedora)

Nothing major, but enough to throw you off and the result is that you feel like you're bootlegging something. It feels like you're using one of those chinky early 2000s mp4 players that looked alright until you actually used them and that it might just break.

On the other hand windows feels official, secure and tested and like you can trust it. Even if you get annoyances here and there at least you've had 20+ years of familiarity with them.

I have no solution for you. I like open source because it is open, I know small quirks will come with the territory.

>>110270491
How does it differ from Kubuntu?

>>110270526
Ubuntu is ass and suffers from issues that have not been resolved in yeard. Fedora just werks. You do have to get media codecs on a fresh install. Don't you forget.

>>110270526
Generally better tested than Ubuntu interim releases because nobody uses that shit. Newer packages than LTS, which can be good or bad depending on your hardware. Almost always slightly faster despite the added overhead of btrfs. Doesn't quietly substitute Canonical's vendor lock-in containerized apps for system packages.

>>110269998
use windows 10, its not getting those kinds of updates anymore

>>110270546
>>110270575
Chatgpt told me that kubuntu was more stable, kek
But further educate me, in what ways Ubuntu is shit?

>>110270783
'stable' in Linux speak means the user ABI and config semantics don't change. It has nothing to do with reliability. If you didn't curate your hardware selection for Linux compatibility the distro with the latest packages is usually more reliable.

>>110267348
>can't handle Zstd properly
What does this mean? Speed impact or a missing CPU instruction?
>>110265821
Distrowatch counts page views, stop using it.
>>110265111
They aren't unstable, it's just something failed to build :^)

>>110262056
Just set opencode and a frontier LLM on it. It will diagnose and fix your system faster than you ever could.

>>110270870
>Speed impact or a missing CPU instruction?
No. zstd is designed to have constant decode speed without special CPU instructions. Anon just failed to notice priorities are inverted vs normal use cases for compression because coding time matters more than space savings on higher end machines.

>>110270953
Or get mad and rm -rf ~

Whichever.

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>>110271015
>it's evolving

>>110270801
>If you didn't curate your hardware selection for Linux compatibility the distro with the latest packages is usually more reliable.
It hates certain cpus and certain GPUs right? Oh fuck

>>110271155
Intel or AMD CPUs should be fine. ARM CPUs are where things get dodgy. Intel and AMD GPUs are well supported out of the box.

Nvidia GPUs require their driver to work correctly. Nouveau exists but it has shit performance for most modern cards. It can get your system working until you install the nvidia driver though. Nvidia's drivers are pretty good they're just proprietary so they can't be included in the kernel.

>>110269783
>stable base but latest apps. that's the most sane setup.
yeah you can try my genius strategy if you want >>110262955

>>110271155
Certain laptop motherboards definitely do.

>>110262955
>>110271232
If you want a package manager Nix or Guix can be used on Debian Stable to get you the most recent versions of packages and it wont interfere with Debian's installed packages.

>>110265821
Distrowatch doesn't know what its talking about. Mint and MX are not major distros. Slackware once was, but no longer is.

>>110270453
Ubuntu is less work and has more packages, but it relies on proprietary Canonical services. Fedora is a fine choice though, especially with LLMs to help you out.

>google is purposely giving bad/incorrect search results when searching for stuff on a VPN vs no-vpn
Peak fucking judaism, literally searching for a specific video with the word for word title doesn't show up on google (shows up on youtube search) when using a VPN but works without a VPN. I've noticed this A/B testing the last 1-3 months, it's not always doing it. It's not just video titles, searching for a lot of things will simply not show up but searching for it without a VPN will.

Searching for something like "Mad Men X scene from show reddit" will show completely unrelated reddit posts, but turning off the VPN will give me reddit posts about the scene. It happens with everything. The fucking google AI will literally reference and link those reddit posts that appear only when the VPN is off.

I google for something I want to find and it results in completely unrelated shit. I search for the exact same thing on a different browser or device and it gives me the exact thing I'm looking for.

>>110270453
Arch's installation process may be a handful but when the system is up it's not that far from let's say Ubuntu.
-package management logic is the same: packages contain simple files and have dependencies to other packages
-when you run a server and need to edit something under /etc, it's the same, there's just files to edit, no overlay filesystems or whatever "atomic" boloney
I'm not recommending Arch here but just saying.
>>110270989
So, LZ4 is preferred over Zstd because of less delay?

>>110271490
>Arch's installation process may be a handful but when the system is up it's not that far from let's say Ubuntu
It's more work to configure and use. I like having package update notifications and a nice updater GUI out of the box.
>package management logic is the same: packages contain simple files and have dependencies to other packages
It's a little too simple. Keychain management is annoying. Manual interventions are annoying.
>when you run a server and need to edit something under /etc, it's the same, there's just files to edit, no overlay filesystems or whatever "atomic" boloney
True, Atomic sucks. But other traditional distros also have this.
>I'm not recommending Arch here but just saying
Arch is actually pretty great, but it's also higher effort.

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>>110271531
>I like having package update notifications and a nice updater GUI out of the box
Yes, it's too bad they don't have this.
IMO all distros should implement a sort of "app store" and an updater applet, I personally don't see an updater applet turning anything less advanced or whatever.

>>110271569
arch's entire philosophy is to provide a minimal based system that lets the users (For the most part) decide what they want on their computer

>>110271569
What are you talking about? Last I checked, Swarofi doesn't support Arch or AUR and doesn't do desktop notifications out of the box.

>>110271569
Oh sorry, I thought you were being sarcastic lol

>>110271599
Having a package for an updater applet in the repositories doesn't make the base install any bigger.

>>110271620
it has nothing to do with making the install size bigger or how "advanced" a distro is, it's just leaving the user the choice if they want it or not.

>>110271631
>leaving the user the choice if they want it or not
Having a package for an updater applet in the repositories doesn't force it to the user.

>>110271490
>So, LZ4 is preferred over Zstd because of less delay?
As long as you don't need the extra compression. Rule of thumb is you can count on 1.5x more space with lz4 and 2x with zstd on lower settings. lz4 storage and recovery is a lot faster.

>>110269495
Depends on the compression level though. If you set Zstd to very low / almost-off entirely, compression levels like the kind that lz4 operates on then it will perform very similarly.

But yes, you're correct, kind of irrelevant for multi-core systems, even a dual-core Core2Duo has no problem with Zstd.

If you some ancient unicore processor that belongs in a museum somewhere then maybe there is an advantage to lz4.

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>>110272005
>it will perform very similarly
lz4 will have decompression speed and latency on the order of 2-3x better and not run out of memory bandwidth as fast on multithreaded decode. It's the best performing memory compression algo in kernel by pretty much all metrics unless you have something like hardware accelerated 842 on POWER.
>If you some ancient unicore processor that belongs in a museum somewhere then maybe there is an advantage to lz4.
Wrong because memory scales with CPU. There's no practical cutoff at any level. They have the same basic properties on a 68030 from the 90s or a modern HEDT CPU.

>>110272201
None of those are testing Zstd at comparable compression levels to LZ4. No shit it's slower

>>110272209
For example, on my desktop (which definitely benefits from the increased compression Zstd can do as I am a VERY heavy user of Zram):

zramctl --output-all
NAME       DISKSIZE   DATA  COMPR ALGORITHM STREAMS ZERO-PAGES  TOTAL MEM-LIMIT MEM-USED MIGRATED COMP-RATIO MOUNTPOINT
/dev/zram1      45G 634.5M 344.7M zstd                    9859 348.1M        0B     2.6G   193.5K     1.8229 
/dev/zram0    15.7G    15G   5.4G zstd                   27985   5.5G        0B     5.6G   124.4K     2.7110 [SWAP]

Still the most you see is a compression level of 2.7110, nowhere near the 3.37 tested in your image.

>>110272221
With broader data sets you can generally count on zstd:3 to deliver about 2x and lz4 to deliver about 1.5x. Performance remains the same. The idea that slower algo = more good for fast CPU is still ignorant because the numbers scale up on both sides.

>>110272243
Yeah, it is faster but the question becomes "By how much?". It's not really worth it when Zstd delivers comparable performance that's a bit slower but has better compression.

The only time Lz4 would be better is like you alluded to earlier, if you don't actually use it. Anything that compresses well will benefit massively from Zstd.

>>110272251
>Yeah, it is faster but the question becomes "By how much?"
2-3x faster. Most people don't lean into swap heavy enough to need more than 150% system memory.

>>110272265
But if you don't then it's a mute point since you're not using it anyway. The whole point of Swap is to ideally store pages of memory that aren't frequently accessed. In that sense the increased penalty is fine because it's not going to happen often enough to be a problem.
The only time it really be an issue is if you did something stupid and set the compression level way too high, or if you some erratic system that's constantly swapping (it shouldn't be).

1 year with linux (CachyOS) today! Woohoo!!!! It's been an absolute blast. Only had one major problem some weeks ago after an update, but going back to another snapshot and waiting a few days for the problem to be pushed was easy

>>110272281
>or if you some erratic system that's constantly swapping (it shouldn't be).
I am told 8 gb macbooks swap their SSDs to death, but no clue as i havent touched anything apple since 2007

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I was following a guide https://btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Swapfile.html here, to create swap file for a btrfs system. Command worked, but the command here doesnt have "NODATACOW" in it. Will it still work? I figure it is contained since i assume this a bundle of other commands, but i want to make sure so i dont break my system.

# btrfs filesystem mkswapfile --size 2G swapfile
# swapon swapfile

>>110273184
Works on my machine

>>110273184
The btrfs utility takes care of creating it properly and turning off CoW. If swapon worked then it's fine. It won't let you enable a swap file with holes in it. It checks that the file is actually something that can be used for swap.

gsettings set org.gnome.mutter check-alive-timeout 60000

this saved my sanity, should be default

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https://browser.geekbench.com/v7/cpu/833895
I benchmarked my system and it scored pretty well, I thought.

>>110273176
good thing that mac os x had compressed memory since mavericks in 2013.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/os-x-10-9/#page-17

>>110261073
Absolutely based, Debian and Ubuntu are the kings, they literally just work

>>110262955
>>110263150
I use Debian stable. Some software I just get from the Debian repos because it's easy. E.g. I just installed Inkscape from Debian's repos. I could have got it from Flathub instead (I do have flatpak on my system) but I don't really need the bleeding edge version.

But yeah I do have some flatpaks, and I have Homebrew for some other things, and I have AppImages. I'd even install snapd if I thought it were the best way of getting a particular program.

If you want newer packages though, there's always Ubuntu, since Ubuntu 26.04 LTS and 26.10 both have newer packages than Debian stable. I know some people don't like Ubuntu but you can customise it just like any other distro. Remove snapd if you want, replace the DE if you want.

>>110268721
Even if it wasn't, don't listen to him arch is just dogshit

>>110274042
Why?

>>110273789
>But yeah I do have some flatpaks, and I have Homebrew for some other things, and I have AppImages. I'd even install snapd
Disgusting. Why the fuck would you run like 3 different runc variants on one host?
And why run docker shit when you have the source and can compile for your particular hardware? I do that for ffmpeg because I don't agree with the compile-time flags my distro sets.

What's a good wifi card that will work with gentoo/linux? The one that came with my mobo is a massive piece of shit that uses proprietary connecters and causes constant crashes on linux, so I want to swap it out.

>>110274102
I have Homebrew for some dev stuff.
>compile
I'm too lazy. It's nice and easy to run `brew install whatever` or `flatpak install org.whatever.whatever`. Also what about updates? I don't want to have to compile again when updates are released. Some updates are for serious security flaws. When things like that happen, I want updating to be as easy as possible.

>>110274322
Intel or MediaTek

>>110274322
All WiFi is shit in a PC. Too much interference, crap signal, etc.
If I were forced to use it I would probably an access point that can bridge/extend an existing WiFi network and then connect an Ethernet cable to my PC like I do now.

This has the added benefit of the fucking wireless being outside of the box. I don't use WiFI but do you use Bluetooth sometimes and that's such a piece of shit with constant disconnections, etc.

One of these days I'll get a new USB one that supports whatever the modern Bluetooth is these days but that's a problem for another day.

Does anyone know how to fix the stupid elogind spam that messes up my tuigreet

>>110274322
If you are looking for a card that is supported look for the chipset of the card. If in doubt Intel or Mediatek are almost always supported out of the box. Atheros chipsets are also supported out of the box but require firmware on newer cards.

Broadcom is not recommended (for anything really). Realtek is sometimes supported but it can hit or miss so avoid if in doubt.

>>110261073
Fedora and arch need to be switched. Midwits use arch and think they're superior because of it.

So uhh I installed gentoo and noticed my computer performs worse in games compared to cachy. Was I lied to?

>>110274509
You need to compile more performance

>>110261073
Gentoo needs to be in the 0.1% because it literally cures distro hopping. It's never mentioned alongside other distros when people are shitflinging in flamewars unlike Debian.

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>>110261073

>>110274509
I think cachy and similar distros use optimized kernels, maybe use theirs

>>110274581
nix core devs hate furries. furries would use lix.

>>110274600
that is not a furry so perfectly kosher

>>110274509
Use the CachyOS kernel with Gentoo too (build it yourself with the -march=native instructions it uses)

>>110274637
>defeats the point of using Gentoo
Just install Cachy OS at that point.

>>110274646
Why? Linux is Linux. It doesn't defeat the point of Gentoo, the whole point is to build your own system.
You don't have to use the Gentoo dist kernel.

>>110274659
>-dist
LARP

>>110274581
NixOS is literally for midwits, a lot of extra boilerplate for zero benefit

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>>110274693
K, and?

>>110274693
>Gentoo
>151 flatpak packages and mixed user/system packages
>meme rc cachyos kernel
lmao

>>110274730
Like I said, you don't have to use the dist kernel. You can also use Zen if you want something packaged in the Gentoo tree but honestly you can just get the kernel sources directly and build it.

>>110274736
ROFL this

>>110274736
I don't want to compile everything from source when some stuff has really bloated dependencies. What's wrong with that?

>>110274749
Just install cachy at that point lmao

>>110274749
you have 3968 native packages, I'm not sure what bloat your system could be missing at this point that you would need to use flatpak lmao.

>>110274773
437 of them aren't even real packages:

$ qlist -ICv virtual acct-user acct-group sec-keys | wc -l
437

It's normal to accumulate a lot of packages on a Gentoo system because you have all of the build dependencies installed too.

>>110274792
Also Gentoo tends to support installing multiple versions of packages in parallel in some cases too, for example llvm and python:

$ qlist -ICv dev-lang/python llvm-core/llvm
dev-lang/python-3.15.2
dev-lang/python-3.14.10
dev-lang/python-3.13.18
dev-lang/python-3.12.16
dev-lang/python-3.11.18
dev-lang/python-3.10.21
dev-lang/python-3.9.25
dev-lang/python-3.8.20_p7-r1
dev-lang/python-2.7.18_p16-r2
dev-lang/python-0.3.13.9999
dev-lang/python-exec-2.4.10
dev-lang/python-exec-conf-2.4.6
llvm-core/llvm-23.1.3
llvm-core/llvm-22.1.8
llvm-core/llvm-21.1.8
llvm-core/llvm-20.1.8
llvm-core/llvm-19.1.7
llvm-core/llvm-common-23.1.0
llvm-core/llvm-toolchain-symlinks-23
llvm-core/llvm-toolchain-symlinks-22
llvm-core/llvm-toolchain-symlinks-21
llvm-core/llvm-toolchain-symlinks-20-r1
llvm-core/llvm-toolchain-symlinks-19
llvm-core/llvmgold-23

I do go through the package list and prune it now and again but most of the time I don't bother because it's not causing any harm.

Being scared of a large number of packages is a thing Arch users do.

>>110274749
if you don't want to compile, you would first do -bin ebuilds, then binhost and only after that flatpaks

>>110274811
They still pull in runtime dependencies that can be quite bloated too though and often hard to get rid of. I'd rather have it all contained in a Flatpak and if I change my mind then it's easy to get rid of it.

There's nothing wrong with Flatpak. It doesn't deserve the hate it gets.

>>110274803
why would you need 10 versions of python and 5 versions of llvm, your system is literally a dumpster but you use flatpak to avoid bloat??? lmao retard. your llvm 23 isn't even up to date and you will end up compiling multiple llvm versions like a tard if an older versions gets a patch.

>>110274818
One thing I did think of is building my own Flatpaks with a Gentoo base which could be a good idea.

There is flatpakify:
https://github.com/StefanCristian/flatpakify

I haven't had a chance to investigate how easy (or not) it is to use though.

>>110274818
https://rknf404.github.io/chromium-hardening-guide/BROWSER_SELECTION/#flatpak-flatpak-linux
>As mentioned in the Brave section, avoid! Flatpak's security is... questionable for a number of reasons, but what's worse is Chromium's security in Flatpak. Because Flatpak restricts the usage of Linux namespaces and prevents the use of SUID (for good reason), Chromium's sandbox will literally not work. The solution is zypak or a direct patch, the problem is these methods are very poorly configured to the point they essentially break the typically very strong sandboxing that Chromium provides. These solutions are closer to compatibility layers than they are genuine security solutions. Upstream (Chromium devs) have expressed they do not intend to support Flatpak anytime soon for reasons alike to this. Flatpak significantly inhibits Chromium's sandboxing, and there is no faithful implementation currently.

>>110274826
I don't do updates every day and compiling multiple versions isn't a problem, some software even requires specific slotted LLVM. Again: This is normal on Gentoo, don't lecture me about my system that I've been happily using for years now:

$ stat /stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20191218T214502Z.tar.xz
  File: /stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20191218T214502Z.tar.xz
  Size: 203919608       Blocks: 398288     IO Block: 4096   regular file
Device: 0,29    Inode: 304         Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
Access: 2020-07-18 18:03:19.920275856 +0000
Modify: 2019-12-21 12:55:35.742613591 +0000     
Change: 2020-07-18 18:03:19.920275856 +0000
 Birth: 2020-07-18 18:03:19.520275856 +0000

2 years into moving to linux and all my high is gone
i haven't distrohopped in more than one year
how do i catch that happyness spark back?

>>110274832
Brave's issue with Flatpak's security is they're too fucking lazy to get their security team to check the Flatpak that they themselves publish to verify if it is in fact secure or not.

They make lots of claims but no definitive proof that it's insecure.

>>110274844
Linux from scratch in a virtual machine

>>110274841
>I don't want bloat but it's ok to have 5 versions of llvm and 10 of python
you're retarded anon, everything builds with llvm 23 and python 3.15 on my system you're just hoarding bloat but keep using flatpak to avoid bloat

>>110274866
You don't use the same packages as me. Zig for example still requires LLVM 22 and that's just off the top of my head.

The Rust compiler occasionally lags behind with system LLVM support too, lots of packages do.

>>110274873
Just a quick check for example (there's probably a better way to check than this):

$ qgrep LLVM_COMPAT | grep -E '.*=\(\s+?[0-9].*' | grep -ohE 'LLVM_COMPAT.*' | sort -u
LLVM_COMPAT=( 15 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 17 18 19 20 21 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 18 19 20 21 22 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 20 )
LLVM_COMPAT=(20)
LLVM_COMPAT=( 20 21 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 20 21 22 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 21 )
LLVM_COMPAT=(21)
LLVM_COMPAT=( 21 22 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 21 22 23 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 22 )
LLVM_COMPAT=(22)
LLVM_COMPAT=( 22 23 )
LLVM_COMPAT=( 23 )

There are many packages without LLVM 23 support still.

I installed Gentoo to pretend I'm smart but I'm actually retarded.

>>110274844
congrats, you are cured

>>110274866
pretty much every serious user of LLVM has to fork LLVM. If it works with some specific upstream release, it's more likely luck or subtly broken than "works."

>>110274844
Just use your computer?

>>110275018
name three

>>110274844
just so i get this straight
you want to NOT be happy with your system?
so that you would feel the need to move to another system, which, presumably, you're also not happy with?

>>110275073
>Rust, Zig and ROCm
That was easy. Forking LLVM is VERY common. It's actually rare to see packages supporting the system LLVM properly and Gentoo sometimes has to hack or patch things to make that work right.

>>110275086
>rust
works just fine with upstream llvm, zig and rocm are garbage so no wonder they can't keep up with upstream

>>110275104
They still use a fork:
https://github.com/rust-lang/llvm-project

Almost anyone that seriously uses LLVM inevitably ends up needing to make certain patches or changes to it. If it works out-of-the box on the system LLVM it's completely by chance a lot of the time.

I know Zig at least is working to get rid of LLVM entirely because they want to be completely self-hosting but that probably won't be ready for a while.

>>110275104
>n-not those 3
You're a fucking ignoramus anon. Anyone who needs an optimizing compiler drops llvm in. mesa does it, emulators do it, new programming languages, ... It's an expected and totally valid use case for the software. Branches which achieve wide use like Rust are often rolled into upstream.

>>110275155
Mesa is another good example, they do use the system-llvm but sometimes they have to force a maximum version because compatibility breaks between versions so until someone fixes Mesa they're often stuck on the previous version still.

>>110275137
you don't have to use the fork, it builds just fine with the system llvm if you don't use an outdated llvm, also the description of the repo:
>Despite this being a "fork" it's more of just a place where we can easily tweak the LLVM source for Rust's own build. All patches should by default go upstream first, and then we can cherry-pick them onto our branches if necessary.
I build rust for my system, cross compile it to arm64 and never had an issue using the system llvm, worst case you have to wait 2-3 days for rust to catch up to the latest llvm upstream release.
>>110275155
>mesa, emulators
literally all these can be built with upstream llvm with zero issues.

>>110275183
>literally all these can be built with upstream llvm with zero issues
Why would a program author place themselves at the mercy of llvm upstream? Think about the shit you're saying for 2 seconds.

>>110275183
>All patches should by default go upstream first
Should being the operating word there. If they all went upstream then why do they need the fork?

>>110275197
because they probably use it for their nightly builds
>>110275194
like I said mesa doesn't need a fork at all, ROCM is aymd corpo trash and zig is permanent unstable meme language

>>110261465
worthless dumb nazi scum

>>110262760
ok this patrick to tux meme is funny so its going in my meme folder

>>110265037
only for server workflows.


>>110264036
i heard from people who use POP it works fine for them

>>110265846
AntiX was sketchely on top for a while

>>110275247
>because they probably use it for their nightly builds
They use git submodules. If everything went upstream first then they wouldn't need that fork and could just point at the LLVM commit in their repo instead.