Oh no! Anyway...

i never liked DVDs
you put it in and its like "Chapters"
get this shit out of my life
play the fucking movie

>>110278186
>>110278089
go find another website to promote your trash channel and garbage hot takes, you fucking retard.

>>110278191
>>110278186
samefag

>>110278089
>It's Over
jokes on you you stupid faggot, 'been hoarding dvds since the 60s. Yea Im based.

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>>110278089
OH NOE NOE NOE

>>110278186
paying customers:
>unskippable fbi warning
>unskippable anti piracy ad
>unskippable studio intro
>unskippable 30 second menu "intro" to tell you what you're about to watch
>press play in menu
>unskippable 15 second "LE FUN ANIMATION" dvd menu shit
>movie starts playing
>popcorn is already cold

pirates:
>double click .mkv file
>movie starts playing

>>110278496
damn how old is this copypasta?

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Oh wow are you telling me that 4.7GB just isn't enough anymore?

>>110278588
it can hold 5 yify brrip movies
it's still great

>>110278627
>x264 at <2mbps
holy soul...

>>110278588
4.7/8.7 GB is more than enough for 1080p using a modern codec, the issue is that you'd lose compatibility with existing DVD players because those expect a 480i MPEG-2 encode. No one has built this standard because if you're gonna add the hardware to decode H264, you might as well make a Bluray player

>>110278089
I didn't care when cassettes went away because we got CD ROM's I didn't care when VHS went away because we got DVD's I didn't care when DVD's went away because we had blue rays I didn't care when blue rays went away because we had hard drives Now that hard drives are gone we have nothing

>>110278496
i'll never forget my dad spending two months downloading lord of the rings over dialup only for it to end up being spider-man instead
>double click .mkv file
>movie starts playing
>it's the wrong movie
>christmas is ruined

>>110278089
What the fuck is supposed to replace them? I always figured ssd cartidges ala switch would be a good option if nand memory wasnt such a ass to get

>>110278667
>4.7/8.7 GB is more than enough for 1080p using a modern codec
Yes if you are blind

>>110278773
>A two hour movie is 120 minutes, or 7200 seconds
>4.7 gigabytes is 4700 megabytes, or 37600 megabits
>37600/7200=~5.2 mbps, on par with Netflix, which most people don't mind using (if we assume h264)
>If we expand to dual layer, we have 69600 (8.7*1000*8) megabits, leaving us with a theoretical bitrate of ~9.67 mbps
Now, is this the best experience ever? No, but 5-10 mbps 1080p is definitely passable on h264, and good enough if using h265 or AV1

>>110278667
Even with all the tuning in the world, not even AV1 would make 2 hours of 1080p look good at 4.7GB. Dis nigga blind.

>>110278843
>dumb fuck retard thinks people will take his advice seriously
>a man that knows nothing about hd video
you make retards cringe

>>110278739
At least it wasn't a porno or porno bait n switch.

>>110278089
I remember watching DVDs on my PS2, good times.

>>110278966
>PS3 and base PS4 can play blu-ray and can output 4k
>can't play 4k blu-ray discs however, need PS4 Pro or PS5 Disc for that

>>110278990
It's a different format retard.

>>110278763
streaming
wb/sony/etc no longer want you to have the option of purchasing a disc/tape/cartridge/whatever and then never giving them money again
or, even worse, giving the disc to goodwill when you're done so someone else can pay $3 for it without paying the studio anything

>>110278089
I thought blurays were ending too

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>>110279011
Sony stopped making all Blu-ray players
Stopped BD-R production
Sold their Bravia TV line to the Chinks
It's all over for nipponese electronics industry.

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There's no point bothering with optical disk media now that hard disks and NVMe SSDs are so cheap...
oh wait.

>>110279011

Blurays on pc, the best possible device to play them on with extremely powerful gpus better than anything in a dedicated standalone player.
They screwed over pc users making copyright blurays unplayable, and the people hosting pirated stuff bypassed it anyways so all they did was screw normies out of the best movie watching hardware that many already owned.


Own nothing live in the pod, every breathe as a service.

>>110278739
but spiderman was based
better than lords of the faggot

>>110278089
I was always more of a LaserDisc fag.

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>>110278843
almost all commercial dvd movies are dual-layer 8.5GiB discs.
pic related is an AV1 encode that is smaller than that

Every time someone reminds me that DVD is only 480i I wonder if maybe I should get a BluRay drive for my HTPC. Then I see they're like $100 which is like 50 thrift store movies on DVD. DVD is fine.

>>110279265
you can get laptop form factor read/write drives (same cables as desktop, just won't fit in a standard 5.25in bay without an adapter) off ebay from japan for like 40 bucks

>>110278837
It's not good enough though. Is it passable for average jackoff who still buys dvds or can't tell Netflix looks like shit, yes. But it still sucks and if you have seen a Blu ray or remux and you aren't blind then it looks like ass

>>110278186
I feel DVDs were always underpowered for what they could have been. 4.7GB was never enough, for anything. I got in on it early, too. Even when an entire library's worth of poorly made video files was always 5.5GB or some number that made you want to pull your hair out.

Dual-layer helped a bit but the whole point was that these things were cheaper than hard drive media and backups. They were the most reliable, easy, cheap way to save a whole bunch of data. When Blu-rays came out, that was it for them. There was noreason for them to exist anymore.

>>110279080
Yup. Sony fucked its own standard and the funniest part: You can still watch them on PC if you just bypass the firmware.
Retarded fucking clown world

>>110278739
I did that with avatar and it made me so mad.
I dunno why I gave a shit.

Just stop giving a shit.

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>>110278990
ps4 pro cant play 4k blu rays btw

my grandpa transferred all his vhs to dvd 20 years ago, and now he has a basement full of old ass dvds with no real use

>>110278739
>>110279331
I'll never forget trying to download Saw III on Bearshare and getting scat porn instead.

>>110278763
>What the fuck is supposed to replace them?
They were discussing this recently being the 'Folio Disc'. A 1TB optical disc. The company that made it claimed they would have consumer electronics for it in 2024. So if it's vaporware or not is anyone's guess, but they are the people who produced a working prototype of it.

I'm hoping they make it happen but I'm not entirely convinced it's not a scam.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-optical-discs-cost-less-than-dollar5-per-tb

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>>110279343
https://www.blocksandfiles.com/data-protection/2026/06/05/folio-photonics-gets-a-round-cash-for-multi-layer-optical-disk-tech/5251482
I mean they're still getting investor money as late as this June. so it's not like it's completely gone.
Other big problem is that nobody is going to support making readers for this standard. Sony gets to set standards because they make the hardware that all manufacturers use.

>>110278667
I've compressed a blu-ray to an mp4 using h264/h265 and it's great, but dvd players not being able to decode such formats is the drawback. Although, I'm sure some can figure out a cheap solution, even if it requires cobbling together dvd burners and low end iot computers. When I did that experiment I was using a jailbroken PS4 as the player, but the file browsers then were pretty crap because nobody assumed that reading from a dvd would provide tangible value (it did, because you could put music on DVDs, which was a counter to those ackshually nerds that said music would only be playable if copied off a usb drive/external ssd.) Redditors can go and get technical updoots for telling you PS4 can't play CD-Rs, but they're unimaginative goobers who'd never imagine such an obvious solution. I'd say on a blank single layer disk you can get something between PAL and 720p which is pretty fucking good for the usual stuff, especially cartoons. PAL video/dvds are superior to what we get in NA when a movie/show doesn't have a blu-ray version.

>>110279316
>There was noreason for them to exist anymore.
I say they're more valuable at base value than bluray. Bluray has a ton of drm and sometimes requires you to update your blueray player to play them. It's a pain in the ass. With a dvd you can just pop it in any old laptop with a dvd drive and it will play/rip. I have a bunch of bluray movies I can't watch because I need to subscribe to some dumb service even though I already bought the device and media. So now you have to figure out what workaround hack/update to skip the drm check. It's just another hassle.

>>110279418
My favorite is when you need a service/software that doesn't exist anymore or was made for like Windows 7.

>>110279265
dvd supports 720x480p, in pal regions it supports up to 720x576p actually. ntsc dvd movies often use interlaced mode technically because it's how you convert 24fps material to 30fps (more technically 24/1.001fps to 60/1.001fps), while pal dvd movies are simply sped up to 25fps and stored without interlacing.

you can do 25/30fps progressive or 50/60fps interlaced

>>110279127
That looks better than I expected, I'll give you that. Now try something really grainy.
>inb4 film grain synthesis
looks like shit

>>110279418
That feeling when I've ever owned one bluray disc. It's literally a DBZ double movie feature that I found at Goodwill for $1 around 10 years ago. Yet I still have countless DVDs and VHS tapes. I just picked up some sealed VHS anime tapes for $1 a piece from some sketchy guy parked in front of a Dollar General that was high out of his mind. He thought I was buying cartoons for my kids. HEH!

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>>110279461
i'm not going to tell you it looks as good as an ultrahd bluray remux, because it obviously won't, but most people would be pretty happy with this i'd say
this is only 7.6GiB btw, not even as big as it can be. it's also in HDR which can't be shown here

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>>110279518

>>110279518
>>110279531
I got it here that the UHD BD of Alien has a mean (HEVC) bitrate of about 50mbps or so. What did that encode get it down to, 10?

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>>110278763
>What the fuck is supposed to replace them?

>>110279602
7.3Mbps for the video, 315kbps english audio track, 88kbps commentary track, 255kbps spanish, 260kbps french, 268kbps german, 264kbps italian, 282kbps russian, all 5.1 except for commentary, which is stereo

>>110279316
>I feel DVDs were always underpowered for what they could have been.
They replaces shit tier VHS and lasted about as long. Plus blu ray sales never replaced them. They had a good run, let them die.

>>110279623
Yeah, that sounds about right. Come to think of it, most blurays (both types) are often over encoded and I seriously doubt most releases-especially the ones from major studios like fox-are actually tuning the encode and aren't just hitting a "fill a 66GB disc" preset.

>>110279392
>but dvd players not being able to decode such formats is the drawback
That's the crux of my argument, by the time you add a chip that can decode h264 or newer, you might as well build a Blu-ray player. In fact, pretty much every bluray player can decode h264 from a DVD if you just plop it there as a file; Sony and Panasonic had something sort of like that but more elaborate for DVD camcorders, where you could get 1080p video on a DVD, which could only be played on a Blu-ray player (although instead of sacrificing quality, they sacrificed runtime)
>>110279297
I'm not arguing it should be made into a real standard, just putting it out there that if it was, it'd surpass both Netflix and the average ~2GB h264 encode found in your average pirated release. At least we can both agree it'd be an actual improvement over the real DVD standard

>>110279353
>nobody is going to support making readers for this standard. Sony gets to set standards because they make the hardware that all manufacturers use.
CD was a partnership with Philips, and Blu-ray had them being the lead company in a group. Outside that, they just have the 3.5" floppy and the Mini-Disc

>>110279917 (Me)
Side note: I used to have a Samsung DVD player, don't know the model, but it was one of the last nice(ish) ones they made. I kept using it until 2015 or so because it could play also play h264 video from a USB drive, I regret not testing if it could do "burned files from a DVD".

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>>110278089
I really like the $5 dvd bin at Walmart.

I just bought a dvd actually. For some reason Jackie Chan's "Who am I" is not available to any USA streaming services. I saw this movie in the 90s and its one of his greatest. The only way I could watch this movie was by ordering the DVD from ebay.

>>110278667
yeah bro encode aliens at 8.7gb and tell me how it looks

>>110280010
Are you even reading the thread? Different anon already posted it
>>110279518
>>110279531

>>110279602
yea, commercial disc are often in my experience not using the best encoding practices or codecs, they rely on brute force overkill bitrates

>>110280021
no i didnt read the thread, but that is alien, not aliens.
the screencaps looks good tho, but id love for anon to share his settings and maybe a clip from 00:08:00 to 00:11:00.

aliens has longer runtime and even more encoder unfriendly grain, thats why i used that as example lol.

i love both movies, especially the bush in the first one.

>>110280077
give me a sec here

>>110280077
>but id love for anon to share his settings and maybe a clip from 00:08:00 to 00:11:00.
it's actually just a scene release (dAV1nci), not my own encode
i tried to do a stream copy clip but for whatever reason the video won't play in the clip. never run into that before so i don't know what's going on there
https://1337x.to/torrent/5138393/Alien-1979-2160p-UHD-HDR-Bluray-AV1-Opus-Multi6-dAV1nci/

>>110280141
p.s. yes this release is also 4 years old and uses aomenc which i don't think many people use anymore. all the codec efforts are going into svt-av1 these days so that's possibly not even a good example of what av1 can do anymore

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>>110280077
>>110280119
https://files.catbox.moe/psus3h.mkv
Some settings are just carry overs from my own testing and some are me experimenting. Some are probably useless, but whatever.

-c:v libsvtav1 -preset 4 -crf 35 -pix_fmt yuv420p10le -svtav1-params tune=0:enable-variance-boost=1:tf-strength=1:sharpness=2:luminance-qp-bias=25:film-grain=25

Source AVC bitrate for the clip was ~34mbps and the filesize was about 263MB. I also downmixed the audio with the default aac encoding and applied -loudnorm just to make it consistent.

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>>110280205
weird it gets block patches even if you apply filmgrain without denoise.

my ps3 fat grows stronger day by day
fr tho I should probably crack it open and slap a fresh dab of thermal paste

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>>110280348
I dropped all the params (they just seemed to be spking the bitrate like crazy) except for film-grain=25 and dropped the crf down to 22 and ended up at just over half the bitrate of the orig. My god this movie is grainy.
https://files.catbox.moe/or2oqr.mkv

>>110280397
yes, it is nightmare, i have tried to encode it myself and everytime i give up.

>>110279461
film grain synthesis is an excellent idea in theory. i'm not sure how well the state of the art does in that regard, but i'm completely open to using it if it works well.
i mean think about it, does it really matter if the noise of an encode is exactly frame-by-frame identical to the source? of course not, it moves quickly and by definition randomly. one seed of pseudo-random noise looks the same as another seed of pseudo-random noise. if you can mimic the profile of said noise such that at least in motion it looks the same, it doesn't really matter if the pattern is actually identical or not. it's only when the profile doesn't match (as in like it looks like sharp digital sensor noise on a movie from 1979) or you have things like repeating patterns that it can become an issue.

trying to keep the original grain as-is is extremely expensive, because it's random. you can't compress random information by definition, so bitrate shoot through the roof as soon as you try to keep it. the ability to accurately remove the original noise while profiling it for accurate re-generation at runtime can almost reduce the bitrate needed down to if the source wasn't noisy at all, and i think that is the ideal solution.

>>110280467
>i think that is the ideal solution.
(at least for non-archival-grade media, i mean for casual viewing media like movies and tv shows. for archival use synthesized grain should absolutely not be on the table, as it is at the end of the day inaccurate/fake)

BD-R 25GB costs as much as a DVD-R DL disc these days so whats the point in pushing bitrate so low.

i cant afford harddrives anymore, but i can afford a 70 buck burner and 20 buck packs of bd-r

>>110280399
Yeah, you'd probably spend so much CPU time to just end up close to the original bitrate but still end up looking worse anyway lol.

>>110280530
Where can I download load dvd movies without using a torrent site?

>>110278089
Maybe, but CDs are here to stay. Still the best sound quality from the digital formats.

>>110278990
That's because you need a drive with a laser that has a different wavelength than the regular BDs.

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>>110280467
>>110280479
Yeah, it's a fair point. I really should play around with FGS a bit more when using svtav1

>>110280680
Hardware encoding is useful for things like live streaming when you don't want to hammer your CPU with an encode. Even recording at high ass bloated bitrates and transcoding with CPU later is a valid use. For posting here you can make much better use of your bitrate by doing a 2 pass 10 bit VP9 webm.

>>110280783
hwenc is for temporary video, like streaming from a local media server with high bitrate or recording a game to transcode later. not for making small permanent encodes

>>110278450
Different sites using THE SAME FREE STOCK PHOTOS? WHAT THE FUCK!!!911!!

>>110278739
I can tell this is a fake story because Spider-Man never ruined Christmas

>>110280680
the scene i always test with in aliens is the meeting room in the beginning, grain is fucking everywhere

>>110278089
I haven't seen a new DVD for sale in like 15 years.

>>110278089
Blu Ray should have replaced DVD over 20 years ago.

>>110278588
I mean if you're cold storing books, then yeah. Should probably be the go to choice for preppers.

>>110278089
Really? I don't think I've touched a DVD in over a decade. I thought they were already long dead.

>>110278588
It's plenty, if you get rid of all the menus, deleted scenes and other bloat.

>>110278089
Just own HDDs you dumb retards. Owning an HDD and file rips you can back up and replicate >>>>>>>>>>>>> a fucking room full of physical disks.

>>110283676
the BD-R discs is ok for cold storing important stuff. With environmental control discs last 10x longer, effectively matching lazy tape storage, while having repairable readers. if u go for 10 TB HDDs, yes storage to volume is roughly 1/25, but when accounting for dataloss it's like 1/5. Also the curse of NAS type storage is that upgrading means switching out large amounts of data at a type, which requires some amount of proactive measure and maintenance. And the big companies keeps cucking us, locking shit down.

If you're datahoarding a library of games and/or movies, then sure. For other things, perhaps more useful shit, then it's something to be considered.

>>110283676
HDDs are less convenient to connect
HDDs' contents can be overwritten or get corrupted; a disc will always work as long as it's physically intact
a HDD isn't something you would physically lend to someone as safely as an optical disc

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>>110284847
>HDDs are less convenient to connect

>>110283676
They both have their time and place. What I lament is that we don't really have a proper DVD-R replacement, something cheap enough that you can literally give it away without thinking about it
>USB sticks
Show me where I can get a pack of 50 USB sticks for <$20 dollars

>>110281722
the download literally finished on christmas eve and we'd already seen the spider-man movie

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>>110278089
I keep them as a backup of backups. My oldest burns from 2004 still work, but only because I burn, verify, and immediately shelf them in paper sleeves.
They’re terrible for daily use. Half my old PC games and PS2 discs got scratched to hell, thank god for no-CD cracks. My main use case now is data DVDs: burning MKV files to access from a PC drive. I don't even touch MPEG-2 authoring anymore; MKV makes handling subtitles and extras trivial. Even then, I copy the file to a hard drive rather than abusing the disc with random-access thrashing. No standalone DVD player here either, just PC's and laptops.
Dual-layer media is getting sketchier to source (last batch I grabbed was stamped Jan 2017), but it's a non-issue since 1080p H.265 episodes fit easily on standard single-layer discs anyway. I just stack the envelopes chronologically with a rubber band.
Hard drives fail, so optical is great for offline cold storage "just in case." Just know what actually needs saving vs. what's easily re-downloadable. Offsite backups are smart too, unless your designated friend turns out to be a psycho fuck, who ghosts you.
One thing that concerns me however is that manufacturing of DVD burners and readers is likely going to stop in the next decade completely. Whether it turns out to be an issue or not, I can't tell, but I already have more drives than I'll ever need, probably, so I'm only really concerned about disc availability.
Also Blu-ray discs seem to have very similar costs to DVDs, at least 25GB ones, but BD burners and readers still cost way too much while full functional DVD drives can be found in trash.

>>110278186
>mfw remembering movie menus
KINO
SOUL

>>110278089
I don't think I've used a DVD in 20 years. Maybe if you count games or driver discs and even that was probably 10+ years ago.

>>110285021
I don't think DVD-R is going away any time soon for that reason.
Personal archiving aside, I know a lot of businesses, including hospitals, still rely on them.

>>110278089
My DVD collection still plays fine. Nothing ended there.

>>110281986
If I remember right, the BD of Aliens underwent some sort of manipulation where they denoised the fuck out of it and then added some fake grain on top. Does that somehow make it harder to encode compared to if the grain were natural because it's sharper or has less correlation to the original image or something?

>>110278089
dvds should have been conquered by blu ray years ago. Yet, the mouth breathers retards with shit eye sight won.

>>110286644
Aliens probably got AI upscaled given that it's a James Cameron movie.

again, my DVD does not have that problem.
even my Laserdisc does not have that problem.

>>110279991
>Jackie Chan's "Who am I"

brooo, i was just thinking about this movie. shit was fire in the 90s, it was always on TV. I never see anyone talk about it, i never see it anywhere. crazy.

>>110278089
It's not over.

>>110279991
Had this on VHS forever ago and got the DVD maybe 20 years ago. One of my favorites.

a recent vibecoded art project shot Verbatim AZO DVDs up on amazon to a #1 best seller just to prove it's extremely easy to manipulate these markets.

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>>110287308
nah, I'm talking about the blu-ray and not that mess of a uhd bluray release
>inb4 jpeg compression