I love how the common perceptio was that he championed local models. When he specifically castrated the consumer cards to have less vram, so you would gravitate towards the RTX PRO line.

So he literally has slowed down local progress, since more people with better gpus = more training and better models.

>>110331982
I mean, on the other hand, it won't change after him anyways. So his bed stories are just celebrity gossip.

>>110331993
Hopefully we are wrong and the next guy gives us 64gb vram cards to goon ourselves to death

>>110331959
Can't wait for the wall street slaughter to begin on Monday, if they don't suspend trading of their stock altogether.

>>110332005
Next guy running the company will be either indian or a jew.

>>110332005
And prosumers / enterprise wouldn't buy them out just because it doesn't say pro on the box?

>>110331982

Remember "low LHR" cards where they pretended to care about normal people during the covid/crypto apocalypse while funnelling massive quantities of GPUs to chinese crypto farms?

Remember when they snuffed out OpenCL in its infancy because it would've meant gpu compute was no longer exclusive to CUDA?

Remember when they threatened their board partners with delays in chip delivery during covid unless they stopped using popular gaming trademarks like Strix and Aorus for cards with AMD chips?

That company lives and breathes manufactured scarcity, even Intel wasn't this bad during their peak villain years. Jensen is a massive peace of shit, always has been. The fact that there's still whores on this board simping for him in incredible

>>110331959
almost like saying he still wants to service gamers was just lipservice

>>110332033
That's the scarcity mindset we are used to. But the article implies theres an excess of chips, meaning the prices are all out of whack. So maybe realistically am RTX PRO should've been 4000 euros and not fucking 16k. At that point you're including a lot more people in the budget.

CUDA is the only good thing NVIDIA has ever done

Yeah they did this not because they wanted to make trillions of dollars, but because they hated gamers
I can't think of a single consumer tech outlet that hasn't turned into a luddite clown show over the last year

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>>110331959
Propaganda?

While the financial engineering aims at shoring up demand, it mainly does so for the near future and not for the present. They know they can't fix prices eternally, and they know they can reassure markets with their pile of cash. And it drives up share prices, a bit too much but even if they crash the share price by 80% they're still winning. Standard corpo shit, and what a coincidence! The CFO takes over.

But I'd be interested to know how much of their production actually ended up in Chinese datacenters under sanctions. I've read last months that it could be inferred to be quite a lot.

>>110332058

CUDA set the whole industry back a decade because it was exclusive to them and made entry much harder for any competitors wanting to make gpus with general purpose compute. See >>110332043 - we had an open standard, but Nvidia always made sure it ran like ass on their hardware compared to CUDA

>>110332056
>theres an excess of chips
There is, but at the same time there's also an excess of demand. What you get as a result are scalpers who hoard tons of GPUs to give them to the highest bidder.

>>110332076
Let’s be honest. Everyone here would have cheated on her.

>>110332137
freetard delusion

>>110331959
He was never pro-consumer. He was always pro-Nvidia.
But his argument for selling their shit to China rather than forcing China to innovate their own shit is sound.

>wall street journal

oh wow why would the people who brought you the chinese spy fake news create another fake hitpiece to make people believe jensen was bad

>>110332190
No it isnt, it's only sound if you consider nvidia to be some kind of national treasure that has to be protected at all costs. Who gives a fuck if nvidia makes 50% more profit or not. Then if you view AI through the lens of an arms race it's like saying you should sell enriched uranium to iran because they will develop the capability anyway and atleast some random MIC company will make some money.

>>110331959
>that would go on to buy NVIDIA GPUs
As opposed to what other GPU, dumb fuck?

>Jensen is a true AI slop believer
>he pushed AI startups to expand and explore under NVIDIA
>no fucking shit these startups would buy NVIDIA cards, because what other cards is there to buy? There is literally only NVIDIA
>something something manufactured scarcity as if there is no real demand by unaffiliated parties for these cards and these startups alone drove prices up
Please use your brain.

>>110332218
No, it's the same logic that the US is employing now with selling F-35s to Saudi Arabia. Buying F-35s locks your country in with the US MIC and you must reduce your exposure to the military hardware of other, particularly adverse countries. We know this logic makes sense because that's why Saudi Arabia and the UAE even pivoted to Chinese military hardware in the first place, because the US restricted their access to US weapons in the past.
>it's like saying you should sell enriched uranium to iran because they will develop the capability anyway
Does the US retain extremely high influence over the use of that enriched uranium, almost irrespective of what Iran wants to do, if the US decides to put her foot down?

>>110332048
Right now our only hope is that Bolt Graphics isn't a scam (it probably is)

>>110332306
You're fucking retarded there are tons of AI cloud compute that you can rent GPU from you don't have to buy your own.

>>110331959
This isn't news? Everyone has known the scarcity is artificial for a year, but he is hardly the main culprit.

>>110332338
Are you saying the GPU demand is completely fake and there's massive unused computing resource that nobody wants to tap into, because Jensen said so I guess?

>>110332344
How is it artificial? In the event that the AI craze cools and prices return to some level of normalcy, like how prices cooled after the crypto craze, you know that doesn't mean scarcity was artificial, right? Artificial means completely fake, not insane hype that eventually wore off.

>>110332338

Google has been using their own custom TPUs for this sort of thing since 2015 but these retards thinks Nvidia is all that exists.

>>110331982
China is championing local models
Nvidia just released some raw 3d models or animations to be used freely that's all I've ever seen from them

>>110332370
Can I buy those? No?

>>110331959
nvidia funds many thing including blender
They want dev to make product with their cards so if people want to use said products, they will also have to buy nvidia gpu
This is not new

>>110332368
>>110332349
Artificially inflated by circular funding from NVIDIA. If the suspicions turn out to be true, they gave money to companies to buy GPUs from NVIDIA.
>>110332368
>Artificial means completely fake
Stop squirming

>>110332349
There is demand but the startup operate at a loss and hope for future profit to pay for the chips but that isn't going to happen for 80% of these companies, they only exist to drive up the cost of chips so that hyperscalers FOMO in to overpaying on long term contracts.

>>110332349

We're saying that GPU demand is high but Nvidia is slowly trickling supply out in order to inflate the price of their chips way higher than it would've been if they were to just satisfy demand as it comes. Learn 2 read

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>>110331959
Watch as they pull the "too big to fail" bullshit now.

I warned niggers here several years ago this was what was happening and people just went "nah fuck off luddite".
I've already seen this TWICE within my lifetime on a massive scale.
First was Enron.
Then Maddoff.

It's all going to crumble and Huang is going to see a LOT of time in jail potentially. Unless the CCP save his ass somehow, in which case the CCP becomes a literal pirate haven for dodgy CEOs with ponzis and other schemes.

>>110332379

If you own a google pixel phone then chances are you already have one. As for datacenter TPUs that's probably out of your price range

>>110331959
will jensen see prison once the circular money collapses?

>>110332442
The whole board could be in very severe trouble.
This is going to be a test of whether China will crack down on this or whether US safe harbors are now allowing this horseshit to happen now.

Chances are, China won't do shit and neither the US. This shit literally put most of the board of Enron in jail for life back in the day. Typical pump and dump scheme and people called out as early as 2019ish. Before covid.

We could even see cracks begin to surface on bitcoin, which is another ponzi scheme which helped develop this disaster with Nvidia.
But watch as they all mysteriously disappear again, like with Lehman's and co with property mortgage schemes that haven't even been remotely solved.

>>110332466
>This shit literally put most of the board of Enron in jail for life back in the day.
Wut? Ken Lay died before being convicted and Jeff skilling did less than 15 years

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>>110332400
>>110332442
Circular financing is over, new interim ceo was against it. Also putting your son-in-law to facilitate that type of deals is kinda shady

>>110332493
My bad, they did get away with absolute fucking murder. My mistake.

>Madoff didn't though
huh..
Worse part is that I think the climate of finance in the 70s and 80s deluded Madoff into thinking it wasn't nefarious initially. Often a ponzi will not be intentionally a ponzi, it will be simply a mistake they could not fix after it began.

With Nvidia it's less Madoff, more like Enron with boosting the impression of it's profits with bullshit venture schemes and artificial scarcity and whatnot. Knowingly causing the disaster the entire time.
Somehow these sorts get away with it more because of this though. They take precautions and prepare for being caught way way better.

>>110332507
Wasn't there a connection to AMD too?
Watch as Intel gets away with it's connections too btw. These people are getting pointed out because they're non Jewish I suspect. I'm not sure what Madoff did to not get this treatment. I suspect they needed a sacrifice to cut the rest of them off.

>>110332400
>Artificially inflated by circular funding from NVIDIA. If the suspicions turn out to be true, they gave money to companies to buy GPUs from NVIDIA.
It was obvious they were gerrymandering GPU and chip contracts to boost their own sales. The moment they started doing it in 2022ish the price went nuts too.

I personally think China is using this whole thing as an economical "bomb" though. It clearly wanted this to happen.

>>110332436
You warned paid shills they are wrong? Do you know what their job is?

>>110332536
>Wasn't there a connection to AMD too?
AMD offered equity to OpenAI and Meta if certain goals were hit, they didn’t offer direct financing afaik. Much better way of handling imho
https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/article/amds-ai-megadeals-with-openai-and-meta-just-cost-it-11-billion-chart-of-the-day-130953484.html

>>110331982
He was a "champion" precisely because he castrated everything.
Positive perception of anything is directly tied to how inaccessible it is in the modern landscape.
Jensen would not be nearly as revered if 5090s where $1000.

>>110332536
The difference with Madoff was that he pleaded guilty to his charges. The only reason you plead guilty is if you are so ashamed of that nasty shit you did coming out in court that you would rather get the entire book thrown at you and you waive your right to a trial.

>>110332401
>but the startup operate at a loss
They ALL operate at a loss.

>>110331959
That's precisely why they want him back in charge. He knew what was good for the company.
>>110331982
He also gimped half precision and double precision compute since the Titan at least.

>>110331959
Just the latest proof that the USA is a liberal potemkin economy.

>>110331982
vram doesnt matter and you can realistically run LLMs on very limited vram by batching the model in memory via several techniques. with a 2gb gpu but a decent amount of RAM plus a fast SSD you can realistically have the full output of a mid sized model in 30 mins or so.

uhh bros... i thought Jacket Chink man was le heckin hero?????

>>110332402
Then I need to see numbers. How many units went to these startups? And is it a proven fact that they're all shells that did nothing at all? Because that's also an element of this story that needs to be true for this claim of artificial scarcity. Right now the allegation is AI startups buy NVIDIA cards. No duh. What other dynamic is there? But because they are startups under the NVIDIA banner, there's some Scooby Doo plot at hand? Show me numbers. How many units were I guess fake sold to these startups?

>>110332582
To read and respond to posts.
I know.

>they can never unsee
I've seen opinions I've shat on here repeated by politicians literally the next day.
That's how annoying I am.
People hated me at school for being like this. I really really upset their day when saying shit I would say without much thought. I wasn't trying, consciously to piss them off.

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>>110332624
I think he wanted to somehow protect his family I'd imagine.
Anyone would.

Worst part about Madoff is that most people generally go:
>that could have been me if I were in his position and his level of naivety
That haunted me as a teen, seeing people just stuck in this horrific system.

Nothing like Enron, those fuckers were just morons.
Or Bear Stearns. Those guys meticulously set up that scheme, could have fixed things and just let it rot. Also I wonder if Lehman's is about to become an issue again. They've done fuck all.