I don't think there needs to be a prime mover or a god.
>I don't thinkDid you think there was an equivalence of mass and energy when you were a toddler?>cat thonking.gifyour own catgirl avatar (cringe) proves the necessity of a prime mover
>>18486882Just post the "enjoy hell" already, I can tell it's you, hellfag.
>>18486866The prime mover is literally just the future. That's it. Aristotle never said it had to be a personal deity, just that it was the desire of all things.
>>18486912So reality is retroactively created by the end of everything?
In order to really move something it is required to apply force so as to displace it temporally, relative to a stable position you occupy as the agent of this operation.For example, if you touch something and then rebound it doesn't move. You actually have to settle your weight down and push against it, so that by not moving yourself, the force you apply to an object compels movement.Hence, the unmoved mover is actually necessary for movement itself to be coherent.
>>18487725>if you touch something and then rebound it doesn't move. You actually have to settle your weight down and push against it, so that by not moving yourself, the force you apply to an object compels movement.Look up billiard balls it'll blow your mind
>>18486866The funniest thing about prime mover arguments is when they misinterpret the law of conservation of energy as:Energy can not be created or destroyed. Therefore God created energy.Even though these two things are literal contradictions.
>>18487764You're right.Pool cues just strike all on their own and taking a good posture before shooting is totally irrelevant because stability doesn't exist.
>>18487818The funniest thing about arguments is:*strawman*
>>18487845Well give us the argument then...
>>18487818No, people who use that argument don't even understand what energy is and why it is conserved and usually wrongly say that matter can not be created or destroyed instead.
Entropy proves God.
>>18486866Enjoy Hell
>>18487952The law of conservation of energy does not apply to acts of God. God can defy the apparent laws of physics.
>>18487818I don’t think conservation of energy has anything to do with prime mover arguments and I don’t think Aristotle or Aquinas ever heard of it
>>18488359>The law of conservation of energy does not apply to acts of Godyes it does, God by far is the only way to create the Universe you see now.>>18488362If entropy is inevitable, this Universe cannot exist without a prime mover.
>>18488362>I don’t think conservation of energy has anything to do with prime mover argumentsSome prime mover arguments are literally>entropy decreases and this law is set in stone>so you have to have an initial energy state >but that energy state can't come out of nowhere >but that would contradict (current) physics>therefore muh god must have created the universe which is outside physics And when someone goes "but who created god" they go>oh but my own rules obviously don't apply to god since he's omnipotent, heh, he just created himself
>>18488435>entropy decreasesObviously meant entropy increases
>>18488435why does God need to be created
>>18486882this nigga can’t conceive of infinity
>>18488467if the universe is infinity years old with no beginning, no end and no god it would have reached a static equilibrium by now
>>18488442>why does God need to be createdHe doesn't, but neither does the universe or reality. That's the fun part about a first mover argument, it's self defeating at least insofar that you can always ask what the first mover of the first mover is, or vice versa why exactly we stop at given first mover
>>18488480>>oh but my own rules obviously don't apply to first meaning first and not something elsecan you stop coping and go away
>>18488483>oh but my own rules obviously don't apply to first meaning first and not something elseYes good job anon, that's exactly why first mover arguments are retarded
>>18486914Yea why not
>>18488486You're the retard.
>>18488476according to your limited mind sure
>>18488488>n-no uI accept your concession.
>>18488500So does the tardwrangler that will meet you at the entrance of Hell.
>>18486866What I think is interesting is like notice how God creates through speech "let there be light". Hegel says pure unity is empty abstraction it's only when something is differentiated that something appears. Did god just name everything ?
>>18488766God created all things with his words, but when he made man he molded him with his own hands.
