Is it really believable, reasonable, or logical that a universal God would have a chosen people .... that they would then "unchoose"?Is it really believable that they would only communicate with a small group of people and give specific duties, privileges, laws, and commandments only for this people?The questions are rhetorical.It is not believable or reasonable.It obviously started with Judaism.Christianity came along and the chosen people became anyone who accepts Jesus as the Messiah.Islam then came on the scene and the new chosen people became those who submit to the will of Allah.In modern times, the chosen ones became the choosy mothers who choose Jiff.The idea of a chosen people and the competing definitions of who is chosen have all the qualities of human constructs.The Abrahamic religions are certainly not indicative of something that could be expected from an intelligent designer of the universe.
>>18487020God chose the Israelites to be the vessel and context in which the Saviour would come. They did not have any idea what was going on other than they had to obey God’s laws throughout the generations and transmit the artifacts down. So that when God became incarnate, he would have a context to come in, a prophecy to fulfill, and he wouldn’t just be preaching to polytheistic pagans. The Hebrews were chosen as the people that would guard the divine light until its full relevation to the rest of mankind in Christ. This is also why it was chosen in the Levant region. Perfect crossroads of 3 continents, and during Pax Romana.
>>18487032A truly universal and omnipotent God would not need to use a single nation as a “vessel” and instead would preach to all nations of the world all at once.
>>18487039Who are you to make demands on what an omnipotent God “should” be doing
>>18487082Of God had chosen his people he could find it perfectly acceptable for God to so.
>>18487020If there was an omnipotent deity that would pick any tribe or race as its representatives, it would pick the most advanced civilization, which would be either Greeks or Persians.
>>18487220Abraham lived around 1700 BC. The two most advanced civilizations around that time were Egypt and Babylon. But God didn't pick them as his representatives and instead the whole Bible slanders them as morally-bankrupt demon-worshippers.
>>18487230This is the ultimate argument that kills all abrahamic religions. If YHWH is the only true god and all the monotheistic blablabla associated with it, how come it picked a bunch of desert street-shitters over people who run a sophisticated society?
>>18487244>how come it picked a bunch of desert street-shitters over people who run a sophisticated society?Read Augustine and the Desert Fathers. Christianity isn't concerned with urban life nor quantitative power.
>>18487244God doesn't value people based on their temporal power or great accomplishments, and those things often lead to arrogance and separation from God.
>>18487288>>18487341If YHWH values slave mentality over civilization and great accomplishments, then YHWH is not a god or worse, is a bad god.
>>18487020>Is it really believable, reasonable, or logical that a universal God would have a chosen people .... that they would then "unchoose"?No, which is why there's the whole cope about "Israel being a synonym for all humanity"
>>18487288Then why do Christians claim the earthly success of Christianity is proof of it being true as seen here? >>18485837
>>18487354Why should God value those things more?
>>18487230>The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the Lord loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments. But those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction; he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.
>>18487244To humble your disgusting pride. Hahahaha.
>>18487449>keep his commandmentsJews don't. They invented the Talmud, which is a list of excuses for why and how to break every aspect of all the commandments.
>>18487456How many pages of the talmud have you read?
>>18487456>TalmudIn what book and what page?
>>18487244Because he just really, really liked Abraham cuz he was willing to murder his son I guess.
>>18487020>this books says only Jews go to heaven and goyim are barely human>what if.......WE WUZ DA JEWS??? Now it totally works! :)It's hilarious how all of Christian history is just desperate attempts at reconciling an extremely racist and ethnocentric religion made by Jews for Jews with their Greco Roman bedrock of philosophy.
>>18487782Is it also hilarious that it was reconciled by a Jew that was killed by the other Jews?History documents one Jew that wasn't bad, and that's one more than gentiles that deserve to be alive.
>>18487341Then why do Christians claim the earthly success of Christianity is proof of it being true as seen here? >>18485837
>>18487020You seem to really be glossing over the fact that jesus christ is the most well documented historical figure ever... and that the bible warns of false prophets such as the prophet muhammed as well as joseph smith. Not to mention martin luther in the 1500s throwing away 7 books of the bible and teaching his own thing because the jews didn't approve of those books and that being the reason we have so much denomination slop today. There's a signal in the noise brother.
>>18488583The fallacy you're falling for is not even your average christian is good enough to represent the entire religion. The only man who can do that is Jesus and you can read all about his teachings in the books Matthew Mark Luke and John. Plenty of christians are already aware of bad christians and that is something the bible itself warns about too. 2 Peter 3:16 warns of ignorant and unstable people distorting scripture to their own destruction. The salem witch trials is the common example I'd use. Trust me, we are aware.
>>184886412 Peter is a clear forgery.
“I’m going to make a clean sweep of the earth, a thorough housecleaning.” God’s Decree.“Men and women and animals, including birds and fish—Anything and everything that causes sin—will go, but especially people.* * *“I’ll start with Judah and everybody who lives in Jerusalem.I’ll sweep the place clean of every trace of the sex-and-religion Baal shrines and their priests.I’ll get rid of the people who sneak up to their rooftops at night to worship the star gods and goddesses;Also those who continue to worship God but cover their bases by worshiping other king-gods as well;Not to mention those who’ve dumped God altogether, no longer giving him a thought or offering a prayer.
>>18488739“Quiet now! Reverent silence before me, God, the Master!Time’s up. My Judgment Day is near: The Holy Day is all set, the invited guests made holy.On the Holy Day, God’s Judgment Day, I will punish the leaders and the royal sons;I will punish those who dress up like foreign priests and priestesses, Who introduce pagan prayers and practices;And I’ll punish all who import pagan superstitions that turn holy places into hellholes.Judgment Day!” God’s Decree! “Cries of panic from the city’s Fish Gate,Cries of terror from the city’s Second Quarter, sounds of great crashing from the hills!Wail, you shopkeepers on Market Street! Moneymaking has had its day. The god Money is dead.On Judgment Day, I’ll search through every closet and alley in Jerusalem.I’ll find and punish those who are sitting it out, fat and lazy, amusing themselves and taking it easy,Who think, ‘God doesn’t do anything, good or bad. He isn’t involved, so neither are we.’But just wait. They’ll lose everything they have, money and house and land.They’ll build a house and never move in. They’ll plant vineyards and never taste the wine.
>>18488742“The Great Judgment Day of God is almost here. It’s countdown time: ... seven, six, five, four ...Bitter and noisy cries on my Judgment Day, even strong men screaming for help.Judgment Day is payday—my anger paid out: a day of distress and anguish, a day of catastrophic doom, a day of darkness at noon, a day of black storm clouds, a day of bloodcurdling war cries, as forts are assaulted, as defenses are smashed.I’ll make things so bad they won’t know what hit them. They’ll walk around groping like the blind. They’ve sinned against God!Their blood will be poured out like old dishwater, their guts shoveled into slop buckets.Don’t plan on buying your way out. Your money is worthless for this.This is the Day of God’s Judgment—my wrath! I care about sin with fiery passion—A fire to burn up the corrupted world, a wildfire finish to the corrupting people.”
>>18488739>>18488742>>18488744School shooter fantasy
>>18487020"Chosen ones" doesn't mean the same in this context for a jew than for a christian or a muslim. For the first one, Yahveh is God, they are their people and the goyim are simply an extravagant ocurrance, like the cockroach. For the second ones, God is indeed Universal, and you are not a "chosen one" but a "believer" if you convert or already follow the religion.Most religions assume universality of God anyway, but the further you go in time, the more "ethnic, tribal, kinship relation" the figure of God or the Gods become. Think of the Egyptian gods, the Roman gods, the Celtic gods, the Greek gods, the Sumerian gods, etc... "Yeah, sure, other people have other Gods, but that's because they're total dumb niggers and our Gods are the real ones and the awesomest ones" is probably what the average egyptian, celt, roman, greek, etc thought about the question. Judaism is a kind of relic of that dumb nigger shit. That's why it's as close to Christianity as Papuan animistic rituals are. Anyway, I think Divinity manifests itself throughout history according to specific contexts. The manifestation itself cannot be the same for the jungle niggers of Zambia in the second millenia b.c than for the eskimo niggers of northern Siberia 2 millenia later. It just fucking can't. Not to mention that, then, some time after, some cunts come up and upon the manifestation, they begin setting up a horseload of normative crap to establish the terms of the religion...But in general, most religions are alright and result from those manifestations of divinity. There are exceptions, of course, of cults not established upon manifestations of divinity... like the aztec nigger shit, the animistic niggerdom of austronesia, the """""christian"""""" sects of amerifucks and Johnny Smith schizos niggers and his 30 fucktarded waifus.... etc,etc....
>>18489645>goyimStopped reading there, /pol/tard.
>>18487449Why would God make an oath with only a specific tribe's ancestors? Does that make any sense at all?
