I have been doing my absolute best to find any evidence for an ancient "Israel" but I fail to find any primary and contempary sources.Herodotus visited the region and only spoke in ancient times and made no mention of "Israel", "Judea" or Hebrews...It's strange.
>>184897071. Because he referred to them by the Greek name of Palaistine 2. Because there was no independent Israel or Judea. It was under Persian occupation, which Herodotus believed was part of a province of Syria.3. He directly comments on the practice of circumcision specific to that region.
>>18489707ancient Jews figured out you could write whatever you wanted and gaslight people until it became real.
>>18489707You are absolutely a retarded nigger. The name for the ancient Kingdom of "Israel" is Bit Humri. The region known today as Palestine was called Syria-Palestine by the of Herodotus, or really just Syria, which it still is, and before then referred to as Omri-land, since people often referred to kingdoms by who ruled over them. Another name is Shomron, after the city of Samaria, which was the capital after Shechem. Now, is the Book of Kings accurate? Of course not! There was no Davidic empire, nor a Solomon, and the monumental architecture we see in Palestine is 8th century BC, from the reign of the Omrides, rather than 10th century BC under the House of David, which was likely a cadet branch of the Omrides in Judah that became its own kingdom after the Assyrian conquest. You can hate Jews all you want, but don't be historically illiterate! The real crime is in their erasure of other cultures under the Maccabees, like that of the Idumeans, Galileans, Samaritans.
>>18489860>1. Because he referred to them by the Greek name of PalaistineThere is no evidence for that being a Greek name. >2. Because there was no independent Israel or Judea. There was no independent Syria or Palestine either. Yet both were mentioned. > It was under Persian occupation, which Herodotus believed was part of a province of Syria.Okay...And...?Not sure how the area being occupied would lead to him not mentioning it. >3. He directly comments on the practice of circumcision specific to that region.Yes, in reference to Palestinians and Syrians who emulated the Egyptian practice.>>18489880>The name for the ancient Kingdom of "Israel"Wait, so that's your latest cope...> The Kangdom of Israel was totally real, they just called it something else.This is just sad...> than 10th century BC under the House of David, which was likely a cadet branch of the Omrides in Judah that became its own kingdom after the Assyrian conquest.Pure biblical speculations at best.> but don't be historically illiterate!Wish you would take your own advice there, buddy.Like I said, I have searched a lot and found not a SINGLE primary and contempary source attesting to an ancient "Israel".Where as I found plenty for Palestine.I am sorry but assuming that a people ceased to exist due to an invasion is quite absurd.Assuming the existence of ancient "Israel" is historical fan fiction.
>>18489880>under the Maccabees, like that of the Idumeans, Galileans, Samaritans.as part of their jewish extremism ?
>>18489880>The real crime is in their erasure of other cultures under the Maccabees, like that of the Idumeans, Galileans, Samaritans.Pure biblical nonesense.
>>18489911Yes.>>18489908Retard.>>18489921Dumbass.
>>184899081. It literally just means Philistia in Greek.2. Israel and Palestine referred to the same exact place. Making a distinction is anachronism. 3. Because there was no state at the time.4. Anachronism once again. There was no distinction until the mid-20th century. Jews were the most prominent group to engage in the practice in the region during this time.
>>18489707>Never heard of the Mesha Stele award
>>18489927Chimping out won't make your bizzare Zionist historical fanfic anymore true, my jewish freind.It's fascinating how there is more evidence for fucking big foot than there is for an ancient "Israel".>>18489911BTW, the closest thing we have resembling ancient jews are the Habiru/Apiru people and they were pretty much subhuman (just like modern jews) described as slaves and leeches by the people of the time, we actually have primary and contempary sources for this (unlike the ancient Israel fantasies).
>>18489929>1. It literally just means Philistia in Greek.It's the name it was referred to as by the region as a whole.> 2. Israel and Palestine referred to the same exact place. Making a distinction is anachronismNope, because no evidence exist for an ancient "Israel".> 3. Because there was no state at the time.States are a relatively modern invention, so of course no state existed.The fact that no Israeli state existed doesn't mean that the Israeli people would disappear and Herodotus would have most certainly mentioned them.In the same way he mentioned Syrians, Palestinians, phonecians, Egyptians, etc...> Jews were the most prominent group to engage in the practice in the region during this time.Nope, the Egyptians were.The practices was adopted by many around them given their cultural dominance.>>18489931Oh, I heard of it.It doesn't exist.Some fucking bedouins sold a French man a squeeze of an alleged stale for a large sums of money. No /his/ Chad would ever cite such none sense.
>>18489947There is copius archaeological evidence to support the existence of ancient Israel and sources from Persia, Assyria, Moabites, etc directly referencing it.States did exist. They did not function as modern states do but they were still states. No serious academic is going to argue that the Achaemenid Empire was not a state.Also, no, circumcision among Egyptians had already declined at this time and Egyptians did not occupy the Levant/Israel at this time.Pretending that the Jews never had a state or existed at all in the region is just a revisionist fantasy with zero evidence to back up. The only thing up for debate among the ancient Jewish history is whether they actually had an exodus from Egypt, which is unlikely. But not whether they had a state or existed in Israel.
>>18490029>There is copius archaeological evidence to support the existence of ancient Israel and sources from Persia, Assyria, Moabites, etc directly referencing it.There really isn't.I know that because I actually researched this.There is not a single primary and contempary source that attests to an ancient "Israel".> States did exist.They really didn't, it was mostly kingdoms, vassals and empires. And even if Israel (the state) was conquered, Israelis would still exist, in the same way Egyptians did not vanish into thin air when Persia conquered them, your argument is invalid. > They did not function as modern states do but they were still states. Nope, kingdoms. > Pretending that the Jews never had a state or existed at all in the region is just a revisionist fantasy with zero evidence to back up.The revisionist and quite Zionist fantasy is two fold:> An ancient "Israel" did exist> The founders of said state are the ancestors of modern jews.My position is pretty much the default.This Zionist fantasy was created for the purpose of giving the Zionist venture some historical foundation where absolutely none existed.> The only thing up for debate among the ancient Jewish historyThere is barely any, desu. Ashkenazi jews and their talmudic nonesense are a fairly recent people brought about by mixing between various Europeans and the invention of a parasitic ideology based around the Bible (aka the Talmud).> But not whether they had a state or existed in Israel.Correct, because it's already settled no "Israel" ever existed.
>>18490029>Also, no, circumcision among Egyptians had already declined No proofs for this. They are also the ones that invented the fucking practice, even Herodotus admitted that various people adopted it in imitation of them> at this time and Egyptians did not occupy They did occupy previously and you don't need an occupation for cultural transmission to occur, considering Egypt is right next to Palestine.
>>18490182Rather than go back and forth with you saying "nuh uh" endlessly, simply show me some peer reviewed academic studies disproving the existence of ancient Israel and Judah or any ancient Jewish states as well as the existence of ancient Jews within the territory of modern day Israel and Palestine. You obviously putting childish political agenda above historical facts.Also, Google the definition of a state, because you are clearly ignorant as to what the word means. A kingdom is a state. A monarchy is a system of government within a state.
>>18489707Merneptah stele mentions Israel
>>18489707God wtf is that thing?
>>18490201>simply show me some peer reviewed academic studies disproving the existence of ancient IsraelNot how the burden of evidence works, my jewish freinds.You made an extraordinary and frankly absurd claim out of your political dedication to the Zionist movement.It's your job to substantiate.> You obviously putting childish political agenda above historical facts.Ladies and gentlemen, we are reaching levels of projections that shouldn't even be possible.> Google the definition of a state, because you are clearly ignorant as to what the word means. A kingdom is a state. A monarchy is a system of government within a state.Kingdoms and empire do not conform to the colloquial definitions of a state, so I don't care.>>18490324I already addressed that. >>18490425Laura Loomer, a jewess who paid to look like this (LOL). An absolute 10/10 in Israel.
So to summarize:> there exist no primary and contempary ancient sources that attest to an ancient "israel" > primary, contempary and ancient sources only (such as Herodotus) only mention Palestine.That's pretty much it.
>>18490466>I already addressed that.you did not
>>18490535You are right, my bad.The problem with the stale is that it says nothing about "Israel", the researchers simply identified a word in the stale with "Israel".That word is "isiiriar" (a literal translation), not Israel.Biblical scholars insisted on identifying it with Israel, for ideological reasons.
>>18490466You are making the assertation that the established history regarding ancient Israel and Judah is false. You are the one who must back up your claim. But it's obvious you simply have no reputable sources whatsoever beyond "I made it the fuck up".Proof for ancient Israel and Judah is simply overwhelming:https://www.academia.edu/104835327/Koch_I_and_Sergi_O_eds_2023_Studies_in_the_History_and_Archaeology_of_Ancient_Israel_and_Judah_Dedicated_to_Oded_Lipschits_Archaeology_and_Bible_7_Mohr_Siebeck_T%C3%BCbingenhttps://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/the-tel-dan-inscription-the-first-historical-evidence-of-the-king-david-bible-story/https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/kurkh-monolith-black-obelisk/https://www.jstor.org/stable/20699919https://www.academia.edu/29777490/The_Assyrian_Empire_and_Judah_Royal_Assyrian_Archives_and_Other_Historical_Documentshttps://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/article/the-babylonian-gap/https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/israel-ancient-world>Kingdoms and empire do not conform to the colloquial definitions of a state, so I don't care.You're obviously not a native English speaker if you think that is the case: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/statehttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kingdomhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/monarchyhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empire
>>18490573I asked for PRIMARY, ANCIENT and contempary sources attesting to an ancient "Israel".And you spammed a bunch of irrelevant nonesense (FUCKING BIBLICAL ARCHEOLOGY, LOL)! You do not understand what primary sources means.> You're obviously not a native English speaker if you think that is the case:You don't understand what colloquial mean.I am gonna go ahead and ignore your Webster spam.
>>18490573>https://www.academia.edu/104835327/Koch_I_and_Sergi_O_eds_2023_Studies_in_the_History_and_Archaeology_of_Ancient_Israel_and_Judah_Dedicated_to_Oded_Lipschits_Archaeology_and_Bible_7_Mohr_Siebeck_T%C3%BCbingenTel Aviv university!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL LOLOLOL!YOU ARE NOT EVEN TRYING AT THIS POINT!
>>18489707Merneptah stele, 1200 BC.
>>18490573Look, jew.This will be the last time I ask.For the absurd Zionist revesiniost claim that an ancient "Israel" existed, I will require a primary and contempary ancient source attesting to it.Your argument regarding Herodotus not mentioning Israel because it's alleged statehood being eroded is a non sequitor, Egypt, Syria, Palestine were conquered as well and they were all mentioned.
>>18490712It makes no mention of Israel.See >>18490551
Every post in here was made by one of three people, including me. 20 of the 28 posts up until this point are from one person pretending not to be OP. This is some of the worst sock puppetry and same faggotry I have ever seen. Reminiscent of of the spam on /pol/ prior to Trump winning his first election.
>>18490466Didn't they used to be a man
