There were dozens of Extreme Right movements in the Weimar Republic. How come the successful one was the one of the Bavarians larping as Prussians?
>>18491700>Bavarians larping as Prussiandoes sound like a good way to unite a big cross section of the traditionalist and imperialist thinking germans in 1920swere the nazis more militarized or capable that way than other groups?i know there were lots of paramilitary groups but i haven't heard of any of them attempting stuff like the beer hall putsch and the SA seemed bigger and more serious than many frikorpsand people like Goering and Ludendorf were with themwasn't hitler essentially an intelligence officer after the war? is that all it comes down to?how many other guys in germany had the political motivation, the connections, and the job of spying on and collecting ideas of extremist parties?could make sensebut how did hitler, an austrian, a low corporal during the war manage to connect with and influence high station people like Georing and Ludendorf?
>>18491700I think it was because they also larped as socialists who would improve things for the working people.
Because big business propped them up.
They managed to win over various different groups. Rich and poor, educated and uneducated. They promised they would resolve class conflict and improve things for everyone, which apparently fell on very fertile ground. Takes a certain skill to recognize the flaws in such a promise, which frankly many people today are also lacking.>>18492718>>18492719As for why hitler did it... he was a really good demagogue, with great intuition for the sentiments of people. Personally charismatic too, he managed to win over some people who were legitimately smart themselves. It's hard to understand for people today, because they get a warped picture of him and the cultural background is different. I heard a few fragments of speeches, curated by neonazis rather than anti-nazi historians, and some of it really touches your soul.
>>18491700The other groups were monarchist which alienated socialists.
>>18491700>There were dozens of Extreme Right movements in the Weimar Republic.There simply weren't. The only real competitor to the NSDAP was the DVFP, which earlier cooperated with the NSDAP until relations broke down in 1925. In the following years the DVFP doubled down on their stances on pro-monarchism and anti-socialism and they were generall unwilling to cooperate with the government. The NSDAP however embraced a form of socialism, wasn't interested in reestablishing the monarchy and yet still was able and willing to cooperate with the government and the old, formerly aristocratic stakeholders. The NSDAP was simply more pragmatic and populist and in the end won out over the DVFP, which by 1928 became insignificant.>pic relAlbrecht von Graefe, who was the leader of the DVFP. Said party was actually far more strict in its organisation than the early NSDAP and Graefe was its unquestioned leader. Only in 1926 did the Hitler achieve a similar level in the NSDAP and even then there were multiple other VIPs within the party, who Hitler had either to neutralise or influence in the future.>>18492536>were the nazis more militarized or capable that way than other groups?They were politically more attrative and thus larger and with more mandates.>i know there were lots of paramilitary groups but i haven't heard of any of them attempting stuff like the beer hall putschThe big Freikorps coup was the Kapp-Putsch of 1920.>and the SA seemed bigger and more serious than many frikorpsThe SA was a largely unarmed and only good for street brawls until the very late 1920s. The Freikorps however were well armed and cooperated regurlarly with the new government to do their dirty work until they were either all disbanded, integrated into the Reichswehr or newly organised into new paramilitary formations which served a variety of interests. But as a whole the Freikorps ceased to exist after 1920.
>>18492536>but how did hitler, [...] manage to connect with and influence high station people like Georing and Ludendorf?Hitler managed to get into a position of prominence early in the history of the NSDAP. Here he met Göring and made him an early commander of the SA. After the failed coup of 1923 Göring fled to Italy and, on Hitlers orders, made contacts with Mussolini. Ultimately post war Göring was a soldier who was content with given orders, who apparently also wasn't that likeable and thus had no chance against the popular Hitler. Ludendorff was already involved in the failed Kapp-Putsch and after its failure sought for further ways to destabilize the non-monarchical german government. Here he came across the Hitler and the NSDAP but he didn't became a member. Ludendorff himself didn't think much of Hitler but in turn Hitler thought greatly of Ludendorff. But after the failure of the 1923 coup the relation between the two was entirely severed - also because Hitlers religious politics were too liberal for Ludendorff. Ludendorff then joined the aforementioned DVFP but here was unable to make any political headway and he de facto retired from the political stage.Paul von Hindenburg is interesting as he never met Hitler until 1932. But in order to check Ludendorff, Hitler openly endorsed the candidature of Hindenburg to the office of Reichspräsident in 1925. Partly with this endorsement the politically independent Hindenburg won this election. When Hitler and Hindenburg finally met, Hitler was already an established VIP within the political landscape of Germany, the NSDAP was very powerful and Hindenburg had to "play" with him - despite being the president.
>>18491700Because the Social Democrats were actively bribed by the oligarchs to ignore Hitler while aggressively stamping down the Communists. The oligarchs wanted Hitler to destroy the USSR so that they would have free reign all over the world but that didn't happen, the USSR survived but eventually died because of revisionism.
>>18492732>I heard a few fragments of speeches, curated by neonazis rather than anti-nazi historians, and some of it really touches your soul.Yeah, because he was legitimately a good leader. He was up against the entire world and lost, there's no shame in that.
>>18492816He was funded by oilgarchs plus appeasement Nothing impressive
>>18492817Marxism doesn't work. You were beaten by the laws of thermodynamics, not the might of a dozen empires, tranny.
>>18492822Marxism doesn't work but Nazitrannys will forever be trampled by the might of Slavic BvllsWW2 was the first race war and the Slavs won.
Marxism is just fascism with extra steps. Might as well skip the famines and go straight to the totalitarian dictatorship with state capitalism.
>>18491700Their whole appeal and shtick was that they used socialist and nationalistic rhetoric. Thats why their entire party ballooned with KPD defectors, Prussian Aristocrats, and Stratocrats. Their ideology allowed them to tell anyone what they wanted to hear.Then when they secured power everyone began tugging at Hitlers arms to side with them with the Revolutionaries and Strasssrists on one side and the other side that wanted to work with Aristocracy and Buisness leaders. He chose smartly cause Revolutionaries aren't gonna fund your rearmament and dont have jack shit war experience like those Prussian generals.All the other parties were just >let's bring back the government that lost us the fucking war and just try again later at that whole empire thing this time it'll work!Or>Let's side with the 1918 Luxembourgists and anarchists that plunged the country into a quasi civil war!And then the regular parties were just your typical democracy parties that just wanted to win elections and had no vision or purpose other than to win and worry about elections and noone else on their mind or anyone to care about wellbeing besides their fellow partymen (only cause they relied on their votes to win said election) in case you havent noticed, im saying the so called Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold were (and honestly this is how 90% of parliamentarian parties are and always will be) just addicts chasing the white horse that is the high of winning elections.
>>18491700the Nazis were a psyop at the start of the 1933 and quickly backfired as one. it's a lie to suggest they were backed by big business in the '20s--they received funding from local industrialists at best and hitler often alienated the industrialists he met since he always came off as a rube. in 1932 he even ran against hindenberg for president, so to act as if the nazis were extensions of conservative capitalists is a weird take. in 1933 an industrialist named fritz thyssen set up negotiations between hitler and the conservatives and they let him rule. he quickly alienated conservatives after this--he disconnected from thyssen about two years in and even interned him at a concentration camp.
