It's an intringuing phenomenon because it's something which seems to appear in any critique of marxism and communism, ranging from the retarded boomers still in maccarthyism to the liberal academics.The USSR was just a poor attempt at giving the soviets (local assemblies of workers and peasants the power) that degenerated into a bureaucratic mess. It ressembles very little bearing with what Marx wrote. The Union's entire history can essentially be resumed to>Russian Empire collapses in revolt in February>Elections turn out to be elitist and unrepresentative, prompting local assemblies of workers (soviets) rise up and appear to organize local politics in parallel>Lenin takes hold of the situation and the country collapses into civil war>The Union switches to a war economy and the soviets are silenced to win the war>The terrible state of the country after a disastrous civil war leads Lenin to pause communization and instate state-capitalism before dying>Stalin takes power after factional competition and imposes a paranoid terror which creates a party of "yes-men" devoid of ideological cause>Stalin dies and the union survives out of inertia because the upper class (the bureaucracy) maintains basic housing and employmentThere's nothing uniquely "communist" about the Soviet Union frankly. It was just a corrupt bureaucratic state. It's odd that anti-communist arguments seem to always revolve around that, or on ad homs about Marx
because you bunkertroons are hypocritical faggots that will eagerly point to their achievements when you argue for communism or socialism or w/e and in the next breath will handwave it away as a failed quasi-capitalist state tHaT's NoT TrUe CoMmUnISm
>>18492023because ussr tried to apply communism the longest and is the best example of why it is a failed ideology
>>18492023because it was “marxist-leninist” not marxist. this is not a criticism, I am just stating a fact. also marxism has nothing to do with worshipping niggers and jews and fags. quite the opposite really.
>>18492023Because praxis is the criterion of truth
>>18492044>that will eagerly point to their achievements when you argue for communism or socialismWhy would I deny its achievements ? This isn't a either/or binary>>18492094>tried to apply communism>bureaucratic corrupt class who refused to reform or reinstate the sovietsYeah not buying it
>>18492023>Why do you use the real-life application of the ideology I subscribe to and point to its failures instead of simply focusing on purely hypotheticals in which the my ideology just works out?Its gotten to the point where e-commies need to be hunted for sport
>>18492229What about China? They have traine and solar energy. The U.S. has a corrupt bureaucracy kind of like the Soviet Union and can't build anything.
>>18492023The thing with you commies is that you hate the USSR for all the wrong reasons. The high IQ nomenklatura of the USSR was the ONLY thing that could have dragged Russians into civilizations. Low IQ Russians cannot handle liberal capitalist democracy like high IQ western euros can, it just devolves into corruptIon and oligarchy. Now the high IQ nomenklatura is gone, along with higher IQ Ukrainians to pull from, and they reverted back to barbaric thirdies.
>>18492247All democracy "devolves" into a corrupt oligarchy though?That's its feature.
>>18492234China under Mao was a failed open air concentration camp of misery and death. After his death, Deng turned to more market friendly economics which lead to its current rise because communism is fucking retarded and just doesnt work. And even if you want to make the point that its still a success and the CCP is just playing the long game or that they are going through their capitalist stage out of agrarian feudalism in order to reach socialism ect. the fact remains that EVERY single problem America has, China has but worse.
>>18492229>Why do you use the real-life applicationWhat real life application ? The USSR wasn't socialist or communist. It's like saying that Haiti is the example that liberalism fails because it was constitutionally a republic with liberal values.>where e-commies need to be hunted for sportHoly cope. Btw, when you realize that you're wrong because you have no argument, you're meant to say "my apologies". Otherwise you just sound butthurt. Feel free to ask if you want any other tips !>>18492247>IQ>civilizationslol>>18492251Like fentanyl crisis and israeli corporate lobbying ?
>>18492287>Like fentanyl crisis and israeli corporate lobbying ?fent is caused by china and china is the biggest foreign lobbying group in America, so the two biggest issues you cant think of are ones China does to us lol
>>18492287>The USSR wasn't socialist or communistit was in fact a communist and socialist country. Again, you should have your head caved in with an axe
>>18492044It's a bit weird because Marx might have been a relatively unimportant figure (hard to say though, or at least not as important as he became) without the Soviet Union because the USSR did a lot of work collecting his writings, compiling them, translating them; including unpublished writings that had not been read by anyone really. Like before the USSR there were a lot of Marxists that hadn't read that much Marx.Otoh it's not obvious how much the Soviet party-state thing which controls all politics and investment decisions in the economy relates to Marxist concepts (not a lot I think), and whether it's relevant for future oriented analysis (not a lot I think).>>18492247I think the Bolsheviks were probably insane people who pushed a lot of bizarre shit (along with executing around a half-million people during collectivization) and in general tried to create a far better place, but let perfect be the enemy of good and created a deformed and bleeding weirdness instead. But people don't have a sane counter-factual because it's quite possible Russia would have ceased to exist, like no Russia at all, and also anti-Bolshevik factions became dominated by the most batshit insane pogromists. World War I was really a disaster.
The USSR was and still is hailed as the flagship of communism and those who disagree with that are laughed off the stage and denounced as anarkiddy-trotskyite-social-fascists so it's completely fair to judge communism based on the gold standard that communists themselves have put up.The same applies to the USA and liberal free market capitalism.
>>18492023So which country manages to get to whatever you consider marxism or communism. If none then given the amount of attempts it's probably futile to try again.
>>18492249except it doesn't?
>>18492023Because Jews and their western puppets are scared of Pan-Slavic Marxism. They feel the need to demonize and make up bullshit to smear the glory of the USSR.
>>18492023>muh ussrSame argument modern Marxists use against communism never actually being tried
>>18492234>>18492023Move to China then :)
>>18494341>Pan-Slavic Marxismbegone khazarite
>>18494423Slavs will win
