why do people act as though intercessory prayer is somehow more "efficacious" than praying alone? how is that not blasphemy?
>>18492995God wants his creatures to work in his Providence.
>>18492995>intercessory
>>18492995religion was made so goyim like you would be distracted by fiction lmao
>>18493008The moon flesh of the fallen star is Jesus you absolute dingbat Either that or his beloved disciple who may or may not be called John So just pray to and worship the men directly, and not the human female for which needs a human male like Joseph to produce a human vessel for the entities to be manifested in All of this because you people couldn't fucking deal with the literal rock or tablet with the inscriptions being called a mother of sorts You guys are fucking hopeless
>>18492995Catholics: We don't really think the statues are real beings or have any magical power, it's just a representation not an idol.Also Catholics: OMG! The statue is crying, it's a miracle! Quick let me touch it so it heals me!
>>18492995you get good deeds from your help to others and what they do, say if you pray for a ruler his materially larger good deeds are also written for you too for example. There are great many ways to earn good deeds, trade or charity are but a few>It's like asking why would trading for resources be better than autarkyAlso, there can be intercessory prayer as there were prophets. If nothing could come in-between man and God then how could there be prayers? Not that God needs there to be intercession but we know the prophets can intercede for us for example>>18493008What Christian babble is this? Why are you people like this? why can't you be normal and not drink ''blood'' and eat human ''flesh''. Not to mention the Head & shoulders Njudea triumvirate you deluded God to, you can get the roman out of the triumvirate but can you get the triumvirate out of the roman?
>>18492995Protestants malfunction when you dare mention that although God is merciful to all sinners he is merciful and loves his children who he reveals himself to in a fuller way. Sin damages you as a person to the extent that you don't even know what to ask for in your prayers. Asking someone more holy (yes, actually objectively more holy) than you to pray on your behalf teaches you the importance of you yourself showing mercy and becoming increasingly purified. Why is is controversial that a holier person is actually more holy?
>>18493316dispensationalism is a retarded heresy pushed by jews and retarded evangelicalsyes, that is what you are advocating for
>>18493316There is no such thing as radical equality of sinners where apparently Mary the Theotokos is "equal" to a pedophile who only confesses and repents on his deathbed. Both may be saved but to say that their status is "equal" before God is beyond stupid. God gives people, mainly homosexuals and practitioners of magic, completely over to their sins to the extent that they are nearly certainly doomed to deception and hell, and yet protestants want to say God views those people equal to his saints, clowns. All can be saved does not mean that all will be or that one cannot make themselves more disposed to it by a genuine life
>>18493322Dispensationalism had literally nothing to do with what I'm saying you dumb spic
>>18493327>you dumb spicIs any Christian actually merciful and loving like their Messiah commanded?
>>18493352Denounce Allah and Vishnu
>>18493356Denounce The Son of Asherah.
>>18493357saar
>>18493361Denounce the Mother of the phony god.
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>>18493327>Dispensationalism had literally nothing to do with what I'm sayingThat is the purpose of worshipping jewish vagina, to make you see jews as the holy people that you ought to be worshiping. If you can't figure out why that is the reason the worship of Mary is pushed then you are either retarded or pushing the lie.
>>18493366Why would I "denounce" her when I do not worship her and it is explicitly said in the bible by an angel of God that she is "full of Grace" and blessed amongst women? Is there some other source of facts about Mary anti-Marians are getting there facts from I'm not aware of? Or is it really just brown screeching about pictures being bad because whitey is pwning allahs chosen AGAIN?
>>18493376Except I neither worship Mary nor think that their is anything special about her because of her jewishness. Not to mention that the saint tradition predates whatever evangelical thing browns are mad at today by 1800 years. So it looks like you lose again!
Prayers for other people are always more effective than prayers for yourself.How hard is it for you to scratch your own back?It's easier to ask someone else to do it for you.Can you watch your own six? No, you have a buddy there for that.Do you bind your own wounds? Maybe, but some words are very difficult to treat yourself because they're in a bad spot and you will need someone else's assistance with that.Other people see weaknesses in you that you cannot perceive.Sometimes, you might be hit and not realize it immediately until someone informs you.Rather than pray for yourself, you should pray for the sake of others.The saints pray continuously in heaven.Let them pray for your sake, and rather than offer up requests to God for yourself pray for other people around you. Ask God for blessings on their head, not your own. For as you sow, so shall you reap. Give, and it will be given unto you. With the same measure you deal, it will be measured back.
>>18493379Denounce the Son of Asherah.
>>18493387No Catholic calls upon Saint Anthony to ask him to pray for them to God to help find his lost keys. They ask Anthony directly for help.
>>18493387And you literally have people like marl Wahlberg saying that any favor you ask to Mary she does for you, like him are hundreds of millions of christians who ask Mary for favors directly. And these factors are granted to them so why would Mary be granting wishes to people to pray to her unless she's a pagan goddess and not the mother of the son of David.
>>18493466>>18493459You're not actually posing any objections to anything I wrote. Because it's essentially unassailable and true, part of this religion is to help you be less selfish and care more about other people. A good prayer life reflects that.Instead, you're pointing at other incidental things you object to as if they have any relevance to my thesis.This is called "whataboutism".Sure, people pray about things with bad intentions sometimes. Like they pray to God to hurt their enemies, or for money, even fame.I guess that means prayer itself is somehow objectionable, because that's your line of reasoning.>she's a pagan goddess and not the mother of the son of DavidYour words, not mine. Remember this, Mary is the Mother of God and not just any son of David.I don't have to defend absolutely everything every Catholic does to satisfy your being offended by something totally innocuous and temporally inconsequential.
Like, you're falling into this trap of equating every intercessory prayer to Catholicism.That, if Catholics do it, it must be a uniquely Catholic thing and nobody else shares the tradition.You have hate blinders on, such a *taught* polemical antipathy for Catholicism you don't realize this isn't restricted to them.It's not just Catholics who practice intercessory prayer. All the eastern Orthodox Christians do as well.You, and the people who taught you this, like to focus on Catholicism in isolation because it's easier to pretend as if it's just it's own thing, than to reckon with the facts regarding historic and contemporary Christendom as an apostolic whole.The real life of the saints beyond their time on Earth is *not* a doctrine limited to the church in Rome.
>>18493600It isn't, and they can't even draw a clear line in the history of protestantism to define it either. Martin Luther was in favor of the veneration of Mary, as were the Anglicans and some still are.
>>18492995I praise the goddess, theotokos (queen of heaven)
>>18493584Is Mary the mother of The Most High? Is she the mother of the Eternal One?
>>18494286Oh look, a nestorian, reformed baptist, MacArthur's ghost, or some other less savory type.You mean mother of the Father?No. Of the Son? Who was begotten and not made before all ages, consubstantial with the Father and through whom all things were made? Yes, in his incarnation.Or mother of the Holy Spirit, who proceeds? No.Maybe my formulation isn't perfect. Really just shooting from the hip here.As regards individual persons, she is only the mother of Jesus Christ the Son.But through Jesus, in whom the true fullness of the godhead dwells *bodily* as written in scripture, she is the mother of the one God because the Son and the Father are one. Two distinct persons, and Mary as mother applies to only one person, but one God of whom Mary is the mother.So while being only the human mother of the Son and not God herself, that is to say one person in the Trinity, because of hypostatic union she is also by extension the mother of the triune God. The Father and Holy Spirit both dwelt in Jesus during his birth, and he in them.Some people have a really unfortunate confusion about the two natures, as if they aren't actually united in one person but somehow his divinity is separated from his humanity. He is wholly God, and wholly man, simultaneously. Not just a part or division of God, instead the exceeding fullness of divinity.Hence, Mary birthed this fullness of divinity in addition to imparting him with her humanity.Maybe you weren't aware, but Christians explicitly identify Jesus as the Most High in divine liturgy. Maybe you've heard of it, Gloria in Excelsis Deo."For you alone are the Holy One, you alone are the Lord, you alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ, with the Holy Spirit, in the glory of God the Father."
>>18494286>Is Mary the mother of The Most High? Is she the mother of the Eternal One?She is theotokos (god-bearer): through her power the eternal is made manifest, as the world. Start thinking cosmically, not just locally. She is the part of god that reflects itself back to itself.
>>18494705That's obvious heresy.Are you merely pretending?
>>18494709I'm not Christian, so I can't be a heretic. This explanation is universal, and covers all other religions and systems as well.
>>18494729What are you then?
>>18494733>What are you then?Awake. Reborn. Free.
>>18494705Dude, when she was born God was 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years old.
>>18494705>>18494729are you familiar with sophiology?
>>18492995Anybody can pray for themselves. Not everyone is nice and good enough to have others pray for them. Pretty simple.
