What are your thoughts about my prophet and messenger Muhammad (pbuh)?Let's discuss the Hadith corpus. It's authenticity, implications and lessons.>O my uncle, by Allah, if they put the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left on condition that I abandon this cause, before Allah has made it victorious, or I perish therein, I would not abandon it
>>18494395Not Muslim but the amount of misinformation in this movie was fucking crazy
>>18494395I'll tell you this, he would be deeply disturbed that in these times those who claim to have heard his word are worshiping a cube and calling a devil God.
>>18494402I enjoyed it. What did you dislike about the movie?Prophet Muhammad's letters to Khusrou and Heraclius are a subject of debate, but in anyway they can't be disproven.It's controversy in the Arab world stems from them apparently thinking Anthony Quinn was playing the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). But I like actor's work in this movie and in Lawrence of Arabia
>>18494408We don't worship the kaaba (black cube). You wouldn't find a single muslim who'd articulate it like the way you did. It's a qibla, a direction of prayer, meant to foster uniformity and structure for global prayer. Before the kaaba, the qibla was pointing towards jerusalem.It's a brick masonry structure that's empty inside, to help demystify it, I'll post a picture.
>>18494430Your behavior matters more than your words and your behavior is worship of your cube.
>>18494435My behavior? I wouldn't think to accuse my Catholic friends of worshipping mother Mary, but I don't deserve the same courtesy?Lived religion, or practiced religion is often divergent from it's core doctrines. If a pilgrim is moved by emotion.. that has no bearing on what the religion is. >and still to Mecca they come, mankind. The people of Islam dressed in their pilgrim white. All equal before God. All united in this place of prayer. Each individual soul united in a community of worship. One God.On a side note, the holy pilgrimage used to quite different and arduous than the 'price of airline ticket' it is now.
>>18494448>I wouldn't think to accuse my Catholic friends of worshipping mother MaryI would, that their worship of Mary is deeply heretical
That's weird. I was expecting more engagement.
>>18494594>Who speaks better than the one who calls people to God, does what is right, and says, 'I am one of those devoted to God'?>Good and evil cannot be equal. repel evil with what is better and your enemy will become as close as an old and valued friend>but only those who are steadfast in patience, only those who are blessed with great righteousness, will attain to such goodness. (Qur'an 41:33)
just like jesus muhammad is also a fictional character who never existed as a historical person. but most of you gullible cattle are not ready for this conversation.
>>18494448Catholics and Muslims are idol worshippers.
Islam is boring
>>18494618>but most of you gullible cattle are not ready for this conversationAnon, I'm glad you are free-thinker. But this is not a cafe, where you charm your girlfriend talking about fringe alternative history.Although well-articulated phD level dissertation, they are well beyond the scope of this thread.It's to gauge the opinions about this person, named Muhammad, my Prophet and the messenger of God.>I looked at the Prophet’s cupboard and I saw a handful of barely in a small amount, the same of mimosa leaves in the corner, and a leather bag hanging to the side. My eyes started to tear up. the Prophet said, "What makes you weep, son of Khattab?" I said, "O Prophet of Allah, why should I not cry that this mat has left marks on your side and I see little in this cupboard? Caesar and Khosrau live among fruits and springs, while you are the Messenger of Allah and His chosen, yet this is your cupboard." The Prophet said, "O son of Khattab, are you not pleased that they are for us in the Hereafter and for them in the world?" (Sahih Muslim 1479)
>>18494669Please be more verbose? I can guess what you mean, but I need it in writing before I comment.
Political opportunist who used the pre-existing Abrahamic religions in the region to create his own version of it with him as the sanctioned, chosen one. I would go as far as calling it the Arab version of Mormonism.
>>18494395Muhammad is a disgusting pedo. With that being said, The Message is phenomenal movie.
>>18494748I'll post an excerpt from 'on Heroes', written by scottish philosopher Thomas Carlyle,>the fact that he lived in this entirely unexceptionable, entirely quiet and commonplace way, till the heat of his years was done. He was forty before he talked of any mission from Heaven. All his irregularities, real and supposed, date from after his fiftieth year, when the good Kadijah died. All his ‘ambition,’ seemingly, had been, hitherto, to live an honest life; his ‘fame,’ the mere good-opinion of neighbors that knew him, had been sufficient hitherto. Not till he was already getting old… and peace growing to be the chief thing this world could give him, did he start on did he start on the ‘career of ambition;’ and, belying all his past character and existence, set up [by others] as a wretched empty charlatan to acquire what he could now no longer enjoy! For my share, I have no faith whatever in that.please read the hadith i posted here, for his post Khadijah life (>>18494671)Some more quotes by biographers to corrobate this, in due time I'll post some hadiths too.Edward Gibbon a historian and member of England's Parliament, wrote,>The good sense of Muhammad despised the pomp of royalty. The Apostle of God submitted to the menial offices of the family; he kindled the fire; swept the floor; milked the ewes; and mended with his own hands his shoes and garments. Disdaining the penance and merit of a hermit, he observed without effort or vanity the abstemious diet of an ArabWashington Irving, an American biographer and diplomat,>He was sober and abstemious in his diet and a rigorous observer of fasts. He indulged in no magnificence of apparel, the ostentation of a petty mind; neither was his simplicity in dress affected but a result of real disregard for distinction from so trivial a source.
>>18494748A varying collection of Hadiths about simplicity and austerity, I can post at a moments notice if you wish anon.>Narrated Abu Hazim:I asked Sahl bin Sad, "Did Allah's Apostle ever eat white flour?" Sahl said, "Allah's Apostle never saw white flour since Allah sent him as an Apostle till He took him unto Him." I asked, "Did the people have (use) sieves during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle?" Sahl said, "Allah's Apostle never saw (used) a sieve since Allah sent him as an Apostle until He took him unto Him," I said, "How could you eat barley unsifted?" he said, "We used to grind it and then blow off its husk, and after the husk flew away, we used to prepare the dough (bake) and eat it. (Muslim Volume 7, Number 324)>Narrated 'Aisha: A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cooking), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat. (Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465)>The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "O God, grant me life as a poor man, cause me to die as a poor man and resurrect me in the company of the poor." His wife asked him why he said that, and he replied: "Because (the poor) will enter Paradise (before) the rich. Do not turn away a poor man even if all you can give is half a date. If you love the poor and bring them near you God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection." - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1376>The Prophet also said: "The people before you were destroyed because they inflicted legal punishments on the poor and forgave the rich." - Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Hadith 778
>>18494748You don't need to read a single hadith, to understand Prophet Muhammad as a person. He would recluse himself in a cave to meditate and reflect, when the revelation comes to him. One of the earliest revealed surahs in the ministry of the final Prophet are a transparent reflection of his mind, even in the interest of secular academics.>I swear by this city, and you are an inhabitant of this city–[I swear] by parent and offspring (adam and his sons), that We have created man for toil and trial.>Does he think that no one will have power over him? ‘I have squandered great wealth,’ he says.>Does he think no one watches him? Did We not give him eyes, a tongue, lips, and point out to him the two ways?>Yet he has not even attempted the steep path.>What will explain to you what the steep path is?>It is to free a slave, to feed at a time of hunger an orphaned relative or a poor person in distress, and to be one of those who believe and urge one another to steadfastness and compassion. (90:The city)He started preaching amidst corruption and injustice, in a land of scarcity and tribal infighting, in the city where the wealthy come (from all over Arabia) and squander their riches on lavish banquets, in adorning idols with fancy ornaments, while the poor starve. A society which gives daughters to Allah (al-uzza, al-lat and menat) in their hypocrisy, but their own faces darken when they are blessed with one>They assign daughters to God, while for themselves they choose what they desire. When one of them is given news of a daughter, his face darkens and he is filled with grief…Shall he keep her in humiliation or bury her in the dust? How evil is their judgment! (16:57-59)There was no reflection amongst these men, do they think no one sees them? in his arrogance as he lives this way, boasting about how much he has spent? Does he think himself god, when his creator has embued him with discernment? The steep path therefore, is the faith itself.
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>>18494448>I wouldn't think to accuse my Catholic friends of worshipping mother MaryLike the Quran does?
>>18495968The Qur'an critises this >>18494448, not core christian doctrine. I.e excessive devotional practices and veneration that it classes as shirk. Like praying to Mary, calling her the Theotokos (Mother of God), bowing before her statues asking for intercession.That verse use rhetorical language, which the Quran repeatedly employs in its critique. Even for the ardently monotheistic jews, who are accused of taking their rabbis as Gods, although that's not a core doctrine either.>The Jews say, 'Ezra is the son of God' and Christians say...>They have taken their rabbis and monks as Gods besides Allah (Qur'an 9:31)It goes on to say man even takes material possessions as their Gods.>“Have you seen the one who takes his own desire (wealth) as his god? (Qur'an 25:43)It's in the same way the Bible uses qualifiers like God, 'satan is the god of this world', 'and ye shall be called sons of God', 'does it not say in your scripture that ye are Gods', etc
>>18494395>>18494402the guy who made this movie also produced the halloween franchise. he died by being exploded by al-qaeda.
>>18494618based thomas alexander enjoyer
>>18496435May Allah rest his soul for giving us this gem.>And I shall accept the invitation even if I were invited to a meal of a sheep's trotter, and I shall accept the gift even if it were an arm or a trotter (Sahih al-Bukhari 2568)
He was clever enough to make many follow him, but he possessed no miracle other than a book he authored, written in a language that had no grammatical rules until the book, which existed in multiple copies, was compiled after Uthman convinced the others to burn their books and adopt his.
>>18497236It's a very competently and deliberate written book, i think a lot of polemics miss that..>However often we turn to it [the Qur'an] at first disgusting us each time afresh, it soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence... Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand, terrible — ever and anon truly sublime — Thus this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence - Wolfgang von Goethe>No other miraclesHe is attributed many other miracles in the hadith corpus, that's what this thread is about. quran was his principal one.>was compiled after Uthman convinced the others to burn their booksThey were non-standard codices.
>>18494408>>18494435When did this bullshit of Muslim paganism pop up exactly? Few years ago I remember no mention of this, just the typical brown/goatfucker etcYou're probably a mossad agent or psyop'd by one
>>18497820The worship of a cube is pagan idolatry
>>18497867yes i'm asking where did this bullshit come from
