>>18494516
Ah yes, the jew devil causes all evil and so by eliminating all jews all evil will perish.

>>18494519
Why are you ignoring the fact that 2.5 billion Christians and 2 billion Muslims worship him, versus like 12 million Jews?

>>18494516
It's free will, you faggot. The baby's parents are being tested for their free will. The baby will go to heaven directly.

>>18494516
I curse you, may tragedy rain upon you.

>>18494521
>>18494523
Sanest Christians

>>18494521
Free will doesn't exist btw.
Even if it did why would a God need to torture a baby to test the free will of an entirely separate person? How does making babies have diseases test for free will at all?
It's nonsense given that if God were all knowing he'd already know the outcome of any potentiality any way, making any test redundant and unnecessary additional suffering, which he couldn't impose if he were all good.

>>18494526
>no counterargument
God wins again

>>18494535
What is the counterargument to "aarrghh I demand my psychotic bronze age storm deity curses you!"?

>>18494534
>How does making babies have diseases test for free will at all?
If the parents retain their faith in the face of trials, they pass the test. If they curse and forget God, they fail.

>>18494539
Seems like an evil God to me.
If a God does evil and you embrace him for it, you're retarded.

>>18494540
It's a test to make you more faithful so that you don't become tempted to do evil again, you dumb faggot. You're like a stupid teenager rebelling against her parents.

>>18494520
>worship
all who worship any devil, including the jew devil, are lost and damned

>>18494544
So if I injected you with HIV, I presume you'd thank me for it? Since it's all God's plan to test you to make sure you don't do evil.
The mental gymnastics you abrahamicist fundementalists have to do, no wonder your religion is dead outside the US and Sub-Saharan Africa. Give up the LARP.

>>18494550
I won't be anywhere near faggots like you to get infected with HIV

>>18494553
You're obsessed with that word aren't you? Edgy manchild. Grow up.

>>18494555
You made the thread with that insulting image and now you're mad that I called you a faggot. Grow up.

>>18494559
So you think that image represents your God? Your God is some invisible redditor in the sky?

>>18494519
>by eliminating all jews all evil will perish.
not as wrong as you might think

>>18494574
Don't play dumb. We know what your intentions are.

>>18494585
>Don't play dumb.
If I wanted to do that I'd give up thinking and become a religious fundementalist like you

>>18494521
The problem with the free will argument is that in the Old Testament, God is clearly willing to intervene with no regard for free will. He floods the earth because of mankind committing great sins, sends 10 plagues unto Egypt for enslaving the Israelites, sends a famine into Israel for worshiping Baal, etc.

Based on this, it is clear that free will is a post hoc reinterpretation. If God truly valued free will, then he should be a purely non-interventionist being who lets everything play out naturally. But this is deism which is incompatible with the Old Testament’s portrayal of God.

This leads back to the problem of evil. God is believed to be omnipotent and his behavior in the Old Testament indicates that he is willing to eradicate evil, so of course the question is why doesn’t he? You’re telling me he was willing to send a famine unto Israel 3000 years ago for worshipping false gods like Baal and Asherah, but doesn’t do anything to stop evil today?

>>18494535
>Chimps out and curses
>Anon tells him to be normal
>Thinks he won a non-existent "argument"
Do E-Christians really?

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>>18494516
something something free will something trust the plan

Because they were brainwashed into the cult as children, and by the time they were old enough to realize how nonsensical it is they had already formed strong emotional dependency on the lies they were told, and the community they belong to. The way I see it, it is a kind of mental weakness. They need to be told they are special and that there is a plan for everyone and everything, that there are absolute good and evil in the universe and they were lucky enough to born into a family practicing the single correct religion out of hundreds of possibilities.

>>18494602
the evil-doers have iron chariots which G-d is powerless against o algo

>>18494520
Both are derived from Jewish fairy tales. It's semitic desert superstitions all the way down.

>>18494516
>Know of this soul would never be saved under any circumstance
>Make it die as an infant when it's still innocent so that even though it's not going to reunite with God ever it doesn't get any punishment

>>18494719
>hmm what should I use my omnipotence for today?
>I know, I will create a soul I know to be eternally damned for no reason, make it experience only suffering in its brief time on earth, then force its parents to grieve for the rest of their lives by killing their child
>I am truly an all-loving, benevolent God
this is what Christards actually believe

>>18494726
All this comes from debasing the value of life and pretending like conceiving isn't the greatest thing ever. This is because atheists/materialist are bitter losers who project their hatred of their own lives at life itself as a concept and so they value suffering over it, which is why so many of them are suicidal and sterile
A soul that would never be saved still receives two utmost gifts: life and no punishment, despite it's own wounded nature, and in this it's the happiest it could possibly be. As of the parents, long time suffering is a good thing so long as it leads to salvation, and as long as a man lives he can be saved. So if a parent loses a child and has to suffer for it, and this suffering then becomes a source of salvation, then both the child and the parents receive far more goods than they deserve from what is apparently a bad thing. This is why Christ chose to be crucified, which was a specially terrifying way to die, despite not being necessary for our redemption

>>18494739
>debasing the value of life
God giving babies all kinds of diseases or just killing them sounds like the debasement of life to me

>>18494745
>Literally conceives of a soul just because life is a good thing
>This somehow debases it
You are fundamentally unserious

>>18494755
>life is a good thing
can you prove this?
what's good about being created just to suffer and die as a baby?

>>18494719
>this soul would never be saved under any circumstance
>except in the circumstance where I magically give it brain tumor
>no, there's literally nothing else I can do
>yes, I'm omnipotent

>>18494763
It can be proved, but I'm probably not the best person to do it
Regardless a little groundwork is required, first and foremost you need the maturity to throw away hedonistic presuppositions and to realize suffering isn't all that bad
>>18494771
Misread my point retard
He is not saved at all, his soul still goes to hell, but as there is nothing to be punished nothing bad ever happens
As for the omnipotence thing that's another argument for another discussion entirely and you're moving the goalpost

>>18494777
>suffering isn't all that bad
Thanks for letting me know you've never suffered. Make this arguement again once you've faced the world.

>>18494777
>I can't coherently explain how it makes sense but it does
I'm sure this works on your fellow 80 IQ Christards, but sadly, not here.

>>18494739
>uh you should be HAPPY to be eternally damned and born only to suffer because you get to LIVE for a little while in this world I created!
>I am all-loving!
>worship me you ungrateful worm or I will torture you forever!
lol

>>18494783
He could have just made him NOT damned and healthy and born to loving parents, but that is sadly beyond the powers of the omnipotent creator of the universe. What's the point of creating everything and knowing everything if you don't make countless millions suffer horribly for no reason and then punish them eternally afterward for it?

>>18494781
Nah don't be a retard, that doesn't work with anyone and that's the point
It's just that I myself am not very apt to explain things to people predisposed to disagreement, particularly in an area I haven't mastered yet
Were I in a place where I could be assured people would take the best possible interpretation of my words instead of the worst ones like these two retards >>18494783 >>18494786, then I would have done my best to explain it in my own way
People should be forced to explain at length the opposing position to the satisfaction of their opponents before a discussion just to ensure they understand what they're objecting against

>>18494777
>oh, this baby died because of a brain tumor?
>that's fine, because it was determined to be too sinful to have believed in the retarded goatfucker fairytale

>>18494783
In fairness the eternal torture shit is completely made up by christcucks.
Early Jews and Christians didn't believe in an immortal soul, that is a Platonic idea and became integrated into Christianity in Greece. Jews, including Christ himself, believed in bodily resurrection. God would resurrect everyone who ever died by putting the breath of life back into their bodies just as he did Adam, and then the faithful would live forever in Heaven, while the non-believers would be cast into the lake of fire, not to suffer eternally but to be destroyed and stop existing.

This is all readily apparent from contemporary sources and the earliest translations of the Bible. It's funny how christcucks can claim their religion is holy truth and then believe shit that isn't even actually in their magic book.
Other examples include the serpent of the garden being satan, and the idea that the devil rules over hell

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>>18494516
Have you notice you have nothing of value to offer when you make those threads trying to mock your own Reality with a straw man fallacy?

>>18495407
>HEY EVERYONE LOOK HOW ENLIGHTENED AND SUPERIOR I AM!
You shall never escape the kaliyuga

>>18495431
>he didn't claim to be superior or inferior to anybody, but let me try to convince others he did that
Not gonna work, antichrist.

>>18494516

Because God didn't create all humans, he shaped some of us in his image. 90% of humans are just evolved monkeys, a 5-minute browsing of this site should be evidence enough of that. Have you not ever wondered why there are just exceptional individuals, and then there's just people like you?

>>18495432
>no no no you don't understand I just tried to insult someone in an unconcise way while posting an image pompously claiming to know the holy spirit's thought system, I never SAID I was superior to anyone!!!!
Don't you faggots believe your god is a mindreader? Isn't he also supposed to disdain liars? I can't help but think you don't believe your religion as much as you claim to

>>18495445
>Have you not ever wondered why there are just exceptional individuals, and then there's just people like you?
It's because most people are not ensouled. But not because of some jewish deity

>>18495407
Nonsensical idealist slop that amounts to nothing more than saying "members of our religion only have good thoughts, everyone else has bad thoughts"
How retarded do you have to be to fall for this shit

>>18495479
He's about to tell you that he doesn't claim members of his religion only have good thoughts, that they have bad thoughts and that admitting and accepting they are unworthy is part of salvation. Calling it now.

>>18494516
>choose to give a baby a brain tumor
What fate would you give Hitler or (insert your chosen scapegoat enemy) as a punishment after they have reincarnated eternally forever and ever?

Think carefully now, OP, since you love to play God of hypotheticals how about you assume God responsibility and determine how to punish the most evilest le evil ever? You cannot cop out and cry and say why did God create mans ability to do evil because then I will assume I am talking to a five year old who cannot be bothered to answer for their actions

>>18495507
>What fate would you give Hitler or (insert your chosen scapegoat enemy) as a punishment after they have reincarnated eternally forever and ever?
So why didn't God kill Hitler?
For that matter, why did he not prevent him being born instead of the hypothetical of killing him as an infant?

>>18495544
Moving the goals posts? Why why why why? You know who asks why? Five year olds, try and play with the facts here.

Hitler is le most evil man ever, I proposed that if he is reincarnated as what do you do? Giving a little kid with cancer sounds hilarious then, why not? You suddenly have compassion for your enemies all of a sudden? How very Christian of you

>>18495555
>Moving the goals posts?
I'm not moving the goalposts. The question was why god gives fatal diseases to children, with the obvious implication that it is not just or moral to do so. Your response was to pontificate about Hitler and reincarnation (something your religion isn't supposed to believe in, by the way), suggesting that infant mortality is a punishment for misdeeds in a previous life.
So I asked why the misdeeds were allowed to occur.
You have no answer.

>Giving a little kid with cancer sounds hilarious
Edgy teenage wannabe sadist. One day someone will kick your teeth in and you won't be so edgy

>>18495561
>something your religion is not supposed to believe in
According to which denomination you ape? Also Jesus spoke about everlasting life, sorry you are not equipped to understand that


Yes you moved the goalposts as to why the deeds occur, but since you need to be taught like a child apparently I will do so.

People make mistakes in to learn. If you dont make mistakes, what are you learning from? Thus good learns from evil. If you cannot understand this I am sorry you are really soft of mind and not worthy of debating morals or anything else with.

>>18495565
>According to which denomination you ape?
All of them.
>Also Jesus spoke about everlasting life
Yeah, in heaven, with god, at the end of the world. Find me one time Jesus mentions being reborn into the world in a new body
>Yes you moved the goalposts as to why the deeds occur,
Nah you offered an explanation for why infants would suffer and die, I questioned your explanation on the basis that your god is supposedly all powerful and could prevent the harm the person is now supposedly being punished for. Sorry if you can't handle critiques of your faulty logic.
>People make mistakes in to learn. If you dont make mistakes, what are you learning from?
What do you expect someone to learn from being reborn as an infant and immediately dying? Especially as presumably they don't have any memory of their previous lives.
And I hate to be a stickler about this point, but I'm obligated to remind you that your religion does not believe in reincarnation.
>you are really soft of mind and not worthy of debating morals or anything else with.
You don't need to excuse yourself from an argument with cope on this site. If you feel outmatched just slink away and don't reply, no one will even notice.

>>18495584
I said you were unworthy of debate. Which you are but I could humor your soft and limited mind for a few moments longer.

Christianity is not “my” religion it does not belong to me I did not start it you dolt. I can claim Christian values and understand because I unlike you have actually read the Bible, and understood what needed to be understood.

As for why you cry about suffering; what else would you cry about if you were a special pampered boy forever? You cannot know pain without knowing love, this is a simple concept to grasp but somehow it is lost on you.

Again the idea that Hitler being reincarnated and dying does not serve as a lesson for you apparently and it offends your sensibilities because you call me edgy and say people should do violence on my teeth.

Your moral compass seems great anon, dare I question it

>>18495594
>Christianity is not “my” religion it does not belong to me I did not start it you dolt.
Deliberately obtuse interpretation.
>I can claim Christian values and understand because I unlike you have actually read the Bible
And yet keep referencing reincarnation which isn't in the Bible. I've asked you to show me where such a thing is discussed, if you've read it and I haven't that should be pretty easy, right?
>You cannot know pain without knowing love
Think you got those two backwards there bud, but good attempt.
Either way, I'm not crying about suffering I'm asking you why you think your all-powerful and benevolent god would decide it's more reasonable to punish people by reincarnating them as terminally ill infants instead of just never letting them be born to do acts worth punishing. You still have no answer to this. It's not as if human evil is the only way suffering is inflicted, so you can't retreat into your cope that suffering allows for contrast and appreciation of good things in life.
>you call me edgy and say people should do violence on my teeth.
Yeah you said babies with cancer are hilarious, and I told you truthfully that I think you're a teenager in that phase where saying edgy shit to provoke people is exhilarating. What you'll find when you become an adult is that there are people who absolutely will kick the shit out of you for acting like that. I don't wish harm upon you, I'm telling you what will happen if you keep acting that way once the shield of childish folly is no longer available to you

>>18495601
Irony is I am probably older than you like I am older than a lot of the tweenagers and 20 somethings who congregate in this God forsaken place.

If you cannot understand simple duality again you are just a goofball. A goofball is one step above a child in my eyes, children get the benefit of the doubt. Goofballs are condemned to suffer in their own ignorance. Do you think God shows mercy to the ignorant? Do you not see the rewards that wisdom bestow to those who can wield power over simpletons like yourself?

I have only pity and mostly contempt for you

>>18495626
>Irony is I am probably older than you
Sure bud.
>If you cannot understand simple duality again you are just a goofball.
Already addressed this:
>It's not as if human evil is the only way suffering is inflicted, so you can't retreat into your cope that suffering allows for contrast and appreciation of good things in life.

>Do you not see the rewards that wisdom bestow to those who can wield power over simpletons like yourself?
This is definitely how non-teenagers speak, you nailed it, keep going.

>>18495630
If I was a teenager (I am not) you should feel seriously embarrassed for your display of intellect and lack or piety

Again, I pity your ignorance which abounds

>>18495639
>lack or piety
*of
Why would I need to be pious? I'm not a christian like you claim to be.
Sounds to me like you just want to sound superior to others but haven't faced a lot of criticism of your ideas, exactly like a teenager.

>>18495640
I have faced quite a bit of criticism for my beliefs in my long life, that is how I know how to spot a goofball easily.

Goofballs like you are condemned to suffer in their own ignorance only asking why, why why why why

You tell me goofball, you tell me

>>18495651
>in my long life
Still laughing at this

>>18495653
How old are you? Are you embarrassed to say? I am 33 years young, which is older than a lot of the tweenagers and twenty somethings that inhabit this God forsaken place.

How long have you been suffering in your ignorance and malfeasance goofball? How many years exactly?

>>18495655
>I am 33 years young,
No one would call this a "long life" as you did here >>18495651
>tweenagers and twenty somethings
No one of any age says this shit either.

Look kid just get off the site, you're not old enough and this act is getting really silly

>>18495659
So you are embarrassed to say how long you have been this stupid and arrogant of your stupidity?

Check mate old bitch?

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>>18494516
>If you disagree then please explain why an all good, all powerful, all knowing God would choose to give a baby a brain tumour.
For the lulzies?

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>>18494516
There is no god. There is no one "out there" looking out for us. This fact is too brutal and existentially depressing for most of the human species so they have to invent various flavors of niggers in clouds with magical powers watching our backs to avoid dealing with the fact that we live in an indifferent universe. The only rael thing we can point to that has any taste of divine power is the fact that we got a ticket to the freakshow. That's it. There are no guarantees of anything at all and there are no refunds. Existence can be and often is unfair and cruel. What is even more cruel is that we don't raeli know much of anything at all as to what its for and why we're here. The dark side of freedom, the terror of it. Most people are driven insane by the facts. They literally cain't stand it so they need space daddy to pat their backs and tell them its going to be okay in a world where everything is falling apart into ash and dust. I'm not edgy, I just live in an edgy world in which we could get smashed like ants at any given time. The true divinity is nothing more than the movie screen upon which the dance of experience happens. Let's stop fucking around and just say it how it is, if hell exists we are already in it. Hell isn't a place where you just get tortured nonstop, it is a place that leads you on, before taking everything you ever loved and held dear, smothering a pie in your face, kicking you in the balls and yelling HAH HAH! YOU THOUGHT SPACE DADDY WAS LOOKING OUT FOR YOU, YOU STUPID FAGGOT.

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>>18494516
God's plan, God's plan
I hold back, sometimes I won't, yeah
I feel good, sometimes I don't, ayy, don't
I finessed down Weston Road, ayy, 'nessed
Might go down a G-O-D, yeah, wait
I go hard on Southside G, yeah, Way
I make sure that north side eat
And still
Bad things
It's a lot of bad things
That they wishin' and wishin' and wishin' and wishin'
They wishin' on me
Bad things
It's a lot of bad things
That they wishin' and wishin' and wishin' and wishin'
They wishin' on me
Yeah, ayy, ayy (ayy)

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>>18494539
actually its the other way around if you don't curse you go to hell you should have listened to the lord when he said it

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>>18494516
>Yahweh be like
That's your first and last mistake. Stop listening to that puto Yagüey. He is a dead beat nigger father that left to get milk, but here's the problem, he lied because niggers are lactose intolerant and he hasn't been seent since.

>>18494777
>It can be proved, but I'm probably not the best person to do it
If you have no good reason for believing it, why do you believe it in the first place?

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>>18494516
Under the water
It's cold and it's grey
My torrid autumn
Another season decays
Open up the hollow
And my walls come down
I tell you it's a problem
Just when no one's around
But then
I know what's wrong
God, you complicated everything
I know you're gone, gone, gone
This is where I will draw a line
I will draw my line
I'm burning my cathedrals
'Cause I don't pray anymore
Look at all of these people, tragic little people
They smile and then they don't know what for
But then
I know what's wrong
God, you complicated everything
I know you're gone, gone, gone
This is where I will blur my line
I will blur my line
Yeah!
Our houses are haunted, dark and deserted
They're made of my secrets and shame
Maybe I want it but now I'm not worth it
I can't even tell you my name
But then
I know what's wrong
God, you complicated everything
I know you're wrong
God, you took it all away from me
I know you're gone, gone, gone
This is where I will cross my line
I am crossing my line

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>>18494516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4D-FURxdrU