>Why would the peasantry and workers rise up against nepotistic monarchs who never worked a day in their life yet hoard most of the country’s wealth? Why would they rise up against the aristocrats and landowners who treat them like shit and send their sons to die in unnecessary wars?>Surely it must be because of the Jews. An organic uprising is impossible and would never happen. After all, the greedy businessmen who bribe politicians and de-facto run the country totally have my best interests in mind.
>>18494930George Floyd for Orthobros.
>>18494930Bolsheviks were heroes who liberated Russia from germutt Holstein-Gottorp oppression
>>18494930The first line of your post is completely incorrect and historically illiterate. You are obviously from /leftypol/ or somewhere and have a severe bias.>The peasantry and workers rise up against nepotistic monarchsAfter the Tsar was overthrown and before the Bolsheviks, Russia had a provisional government and the workers and peasants voted for another party, the Socialist Revolutionaries. However Lenin and his army of mutineers (supported by Germany) seized power before the new government was formed and ended any hope of democracy.>yet hoard most of the country’s wealthThe Soviets did just this. Stalin wanted to fund his "5 year plan" and was exporting grain to do this, he set a quota on the Ukraine, but there was a drought in 1932 and his communist planned economics failed to take this into account. Although the Ukraine was a breadbasket that produced more than it could eat, so much was exported that there wasn't enough to provide even starvation rations.More people starved in Holodomor than in Russia's worst famines under the Tsar, it happened in the 20th century after the Haber process producing infinite fertilizer and mechanization providing irrigation too. It happened because of the very thing landowners and merchants were often accused of, selling grain during a famine.
>>18494965Nice try CIA
>>18494930You know there was a February Revolution before the October one right
>>18495381What are you arguing? That there was no provisional government? That Imperial Germany didn't shuttle Lenin into Russia? That this is all CIA propaganda?Dumb thread.
>>18494930>Why are /pol/rent free
>>18494930Race is more of a class than class is. You have much more in common with a rich businessman who's the same race as you than you do with an immigrant who's not your race and who just happens to earn a wage just like you.
>>18495668>some slavs chimped out and killed their monarch 100+ years ago>and that's why trillionaires deserve to own everything including the air you breathe????
>>18494930The Russian Revolution was literally prompted by a conspiracy among the Bolshevik party elite to negate and overthrow the popular will of the inhabitants of Russia.
>>18494930Commies post this, and don't realize what we did to Maduro is what we can do them any time day of the week. Your whole family could be vaporized in seconds if we really needed to it.
>>18494930The cossacks chose not to fire on the russian mob that is what i remember of the revolution Part of the discussion is also the germans allowing lenin’s route ‘to finland station’, a marvelous piece of the wisdom of the germans at this point in the warThat is another discussion from /pol/, pol is no russian mob, pol is only nice as regards to polish messianism, pol ought to get democratized if you would like the opinion that i have
>>18494930It honestly speaks volumes to how fucking awful Nicholas II was thaty every Russian and Ukrainian I have asked their opinion on him has essentially answered with some form of "he was a fucking retard who got what he deserved".
>>18495670>that's why trillionaires deserve to own everything including the air you breathewhat
>>18495721And that's a good thing. The masses rarely know what's best for them.
>>18494930When your revolution is so abominable that "real communism has never been tried" is still being repeated like a mantra over a century later.
>>18497584>The masses rarely know what's best for them.Killing the rich is what they crave AND whats best for them. Gotta start somewhere.
>>18495668Absolute state of Americans. God help you all, because you certainly won't help yourselves.
>>18495670>recognizing that race is a biological behavior deeply ingrained in the human psyche from 600,000 years of organized tribal warfare>recognizing class is a very recent development of the agrarian revolutionWhy does this make marxoids so angry?
>>18494930I mean, it's both true that many revolutionaries were Jews AND that a shitty political system in bad circumstances caused many to rebel. Jews were often educated city slickers who rightly had a bone to pick with the monarchy. Jewish involvement≠"Da joos mabipulated da dumb goyim"
>>18495668Have fun sucking daddy elon's dick just cause he's also white, submissive faggot
>>18494965>After the Tsar was overthrown and before the Bolsheviks, Russia had a provisional government and the workers and peasants voted for another party, the Socialist Revolutionaries.The corrupt and incompetent "government"? what about it? >The Soviets did just this. Stalin wanted to fund his "5 year plan" and was exporting grain to do this, he set a quota on the Ukraine, but there was a drought in 1932 and his communist planned economics failed to take this into account. Although the Ukraine was a breadbasket that produced more than it could eat, so much was exported that there wasn't enough to provide even starvation rations.Stalin exported grains in order to gain foreign currency which would later be used to buy machinery and industrialize. I know it was bad and maybe Stalin did a bit of a gamer moment there but Russia needed to desperately industrialize. The Tsar basically kept Russia in a semi-feudal condition and what little industrialization attempts he did was too little too late.I'm not saying Marxism is perfect neither am I saying that the world needs to adopt it but it is impossible to refute the fact that the Slavs achieved heights they never previously did under Marxism with the right amount of revisionism i.e. Marxism-Leninism or even Stalinism. The Slavic world has completely fallen into depths of stagnation and lack luster right after the fall of the USSR. Stalin may have been a monster but without him there would have been 2 monsters in Europe. Maybe if the red army marched all the way to Lisbon his crimes would have been washed away by his glory.
>>18495732>Commies post this, and don't realize what we did to Maduro is what we can do them any time day of the week. Your whole family could be vaporized in seconds if we really needed to it.We? There is no "we" stupid wagecuck. You're just another number you retard. Keep saying "we" and keep thinking you have some sort of authority or autonomy. Keep sucking the Trillionaires' cocks until they decide to mercy kill your sad existence. Stupid goyim the elites will never be your friend.
>>18497625>The Tsar basically kept Russia in a semi-feudal condition and what little industrialization attempts he did was too little too late.Paradoxbrain detectedBy 1910 Imperial Russia was the fifth largest producer of steel in the world, and had been (by its own standards of production) rapidly industrializing from the 1850s onwards. >The Slavic world has completely fallen into depths of stagnation and lack luster right after the fall of the USSRIt always was lackluster that's why the only significant export markets the USSR developed were in weapons manufacturing.
>>18497610What makes a "Jew" a "Joo"? If he doesn't give a flying fuck about about Judaism or "The Synagogue of Satan(lol)" and is a reddit atheist(like most ""Jewish"" revolutionaries were) would he still remain a "Joo"? It makes no sense that /pol/tards constantly screech about Judeo-Bolshevism when in fact most of the "Da Joos" in the part were either Mensheviks or had converted to Christianity or denounced Judaism completely.Take Lenin as an example /pol/fags absolutely love spinning bullshit lies about him. But the fact is he was only 1/4th Jewish, and was unaware of his Jewish heritage entirely. He would be a "Jew" not even by Nazi German standards.
>>18497634>By 1910 Imperial Russia was the fifth largest producer of steel in the world, and had been (by its own standards of production) rapidly industrializing from the 1850s onwards.Steel isn't a standard to measure "industrialization ". Try again.>It always was lackluster that's why the only significant export markets the USSR developed were in weapons manufacturing.The USSR's exports were better than the US in the following parameters; Steel, oil, natural gas, coal, rocket engines, turbines, tractors, mining equipment, Nuclear tech, aluminum, nickel.The Soviet economy was structured around military and industry so ofc they would've lacked behind in terms of consumer goods. Funny how capitalists how to invent their own measurement of "success" in order to steal credit from Socialist economies.
>>18497644>The Soviet economy was structured around military and industry so ofc they would've lacked behind in terms of consumer goods. Funny how capitalists how to invent their own measurement of "success" in order to steal credit from Socialist economies.But the west was able to do both though
>>18497644>Steel isn't a standard to measure "industrializationIt was developing on other metrics as well, not just steel production, and you're retarded if you think even the development of a significant steel industry can more or less be divorced from industrialization as a whole.>half of the list is just natural resources>most of the rest is just shit they were exporting to either other communist nations or third worldersAnd what was the USSR exporting to the developed world lol>oil>natural gasVGH...
>>18497645That's one of the advantages capitalism had over "communism". Again, I don't think either of them is superior to the other. I'm just saying that Communism best fits the slavs and capitalism has been a disaster for them so far.
>>18497644>>18497652>The USSR's exports were better than the US in the following parameters; Steel, oil, natural gas, coal, rocket engines, turbines, tractors, mining equipment, Nuclear tech, aluminum, nickel.Steel is an antiquated indicator of industrial production from the 19th century when manufacturing was the main sector, everyone was capitalist and only producing steel for profit and there were no income taxes or better data. However Stalin and Mao did not understand these nuances and when their sycophants brought them steel production statistics they confused cause and effect, concluding "more steel = more growth". This was then filtered down the command hierarchy of their planned economy misinterpreted them. An apparatchik would set a quota to produce a certain amount of steel, maybe even set up checks and balances to weigh the steel but ignore the grade of steel. If a factory refused to produce low grade steel out of principle, they would fail to meet their quota and soon be replaced by someone more corrupt. In China of course it was worse with party officials in rural areas ordering peasants to melt their farm tools.They made some effort to fix these problems, but this continued across the economy in a lesser way.Communists chide capitalists for acting in their own self-interest rather than the common good, but in their bureaucratic bubbles they are no different from someone trying to climb the corporate ladder. The capitalist at least has to make a profit or they will go under, the communist however exists in a much more ossified entrenched system. Systems generally ignore problems until they become a problem,
>>18497639I largely agree with you, but there is an ethnic component to Jewish culture. Again, I don't fall in the poltard "The czar was a dindu nuffin and da joos manipulated the people" camp, the czar fucking suckedand the early 1900's sucked for Russia.
>>18497711>Communists chide capitalists for acting in their own self-interest rather than the common good, but in their bureaucratic bubbles they are no different from someone trying to climb the corporate ladder. The capitalist at least has to make a profit or they will go under, the communist however exists in a much more ossified entrenched system. Systems generally ignore problems until they become a problem,I'm not a classical communist. My worldview intensely differs from what Marx suggested. In the context of slavs, I believe that their culture and their way of life are inherently suitable and actually compliment the ideology of Marxism-Leninism with a hint of Pan-Slavism added in order to stabilize things up. Marx was clearly wrong for thinking that people would betray their ethnicity and race for some vague sense of "internationalism".Its absolutely undeniable what Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism(ignore the cringefest of "-isms") achieved in WW2 in collaboration with the west.Capitalism may be superior. but remember that I'm speaking specifically in terms for the slavs. And its clearly evident that Slavs and capitalism haven't mixed together in the best way.
>>18497650>It was developing on other metrics as well, not just steel productionA ahead anon.....list them
>Why are /pol/tards like th-ACK
