>man is... le evil!Vs. >man is... le good!Who was right?
I rather dislike man so I lean towards the former
This "le" shit? It's not a replacement for a personality or an argument.
>>18496230Without the fear of God and his wisdom 90% of men would have no problem fucking another man's wife. There are many laws of God that are just not common sense to man and man must learn from God in order to become rigtheous.Just like a dog must be trained by man to be allowed to live in man's presence, so man must let himself be trained by God to be allowed to live in his presence.Then, like the dog, he will be able to enjoy of his favor, love, food and protection. Only what God gives to man is a million times better than anything man could give even to his own sons.And if it offends you to compare yourself to a dog with his master then you're too proud for God and are destined to eternal humiliation.
>>18496230In my opinion Evil and Good as a religious concept where someone is born evil or good doesn't exist. Humans turn evil or good depending on many things. For example some people are born with a brain that doesn't work well and that makes them lack empathy so they have a bigger chance of becoming a psychopath. Depending on how you are raised also can turn you into a psychopath or not. And if you are raised in an environment where everyone is a criminal you have a bigger chance of becoming one. So it's a combination of biology and environment.
>>18496230man is... le born good but brainwashed by society into evil
>>18496230Locke said men were self-interested, not that they were good or bad
Man is born evil and I can easily prove it. Most parents teach their kid from a very early age that bullying is bad, that being good is good, etc. But even despite having the most loving parents ever, kids extremely quickly form bully groups on the playground and start kicking down the isolated/ugly kids, the idea of the "noble kid" standing up for the bullied kid is pure fiction. And again, 99% of kids have parents teaching them good morals, very few parents go around teaching their kids "You have to a criminal when you grow up". So kids, despite all their parents and society's efforts, will extremely quickly turn tribalistic and either be bullies or the bullied, no in between (and the bullied will become bullies if given the chance)>>18496277Respectfully disagree, if anything society tries very hard to teach individuals to be respectful and obedient and tolerant. I don't mean only in the west, everywhere where a school system exists teachers desperately repeat ad nauseam that "you shall be good kids, you shall learn to love learning, you shall not be evil or intolerant, you shall be obedient, being a criminal is the worst thing ever, be a good wagie and cause no trouble".
>>18496248But God often lets men fuck other men's wives, so it must be good in his eyes.
>>18496514But children don't have fully developed brains or experience in life. They aren't aware of the consequences of their actions. Humans, like the animals, have an instinct of defending themselves and compete for the attention of females through looking strong so I think that is the main reason for children and teenager fights. Imagine that it's your first year in school and you don't know all those other kids and you are afraid of them because you don't know what are their intentions, it's normal to have some type of aggressivity to defend your territory so to speak.
>>18496248You people are unhinged. Literally no one asked.
>>18496520He does not.
>>18496766He does, otherwise laws wouldn't have to exist to tell you not to fuck another man's wife. God lets it happen for the greater good.
>>18496514>the idea of the "noble kid" standing up for the bullied kid is pure fictionThat exact thing happened the one time someone tried some actual bullying at any of the schools I went to. There was plenty of teasing and a few mutual combats, mostly between girls. But the instant someone tried to genuinely hurt and humiliate a kid, he got clobbered by another kid.
>>18496248You are unhinged, anything good in the Bible was already present in every society before. Every society will always outlaw murder and theft because those things destabilize society.
>>18496230Neither, ideology is only exists to control people without physical force
>>18496239It's from when the internet was full of white people. Post-2013 shitskins like you wouldn't understand.>>18496248>Without the fear of God and his wisdom 90% of men would have no problem fucking another man's wife.Religious people fuck eachothers wives all the time. In fact most of the immoral things you accuse people of in a non religious society already happen in religious societies.
>>18496230Actually, man is...le complicated.
>>18496230Men have capacity for both good and evil in them. But I'd argue that civilization makes them, on average, better, and the relative rates of crime and abandonment in primitive vs developed societies is proof of that.
>>18496803Every single man who has done it will be charged with adultery in Judgement day and receive their proper punishment.>>18496862How would you even know if you have never read the laws of God? Did you know it is a sin to harvest your field completely and leave nothing for the poor? God have you the prosperity to own fields of fruits, it is your your obligation to share it with the poor. So you're not allowed to harvest the edges of your field or pick up all the fruit that falls on the ground.>>18496870Religious people =/= God fearing people. Most religious people are hypocrites and so not actually fear God. They will be punished in judgement day like any other sinner, and perhaps even sooner.
>>18496883>no you see..those people DON'T COUNT!you lost.
>>18496884When did I said God precents anyone from committing adultery? I said God considers it evil yet most men are not aware that they will suffer in hell for doing it.
>>18496230>man is... le evil!Vs.>man is... le good!Who was right?
>>18496230Hobbes
>>18496654>But children don't have fully developed brains or experience in life.Adults do and they're way more cruel to each other than kids are
>>18496830>teasing and a few mutual combatsInteresting you don't count those as bullying, psychological abuse has severe consequences when directed at kids. The fact children tease each other with the intent of making the other feel bad/inferior to themselves, should be direct proof humans are evil by default
>>18496230All this talk about man, what about woman?
People who say "man is evil" are also man themselves, which means they're just admitting that they are evil, and I simply do not listen to evil people
>>18497093Well good thing that wasn't psychological abuse then. The overwhelming majority of that teasing was occurring between friends. It's no more than the verbal equivalent of rough housing. And just like most children, and even baby animals, innately know to stop wrestling when their partner yelps, most kids can tell when their jokes have actually hurt their friend's feelings and will stop. At least in my experience. Maybe you grew up in some shit hole with evil kids. But I was a shy loser and my friends were kids who went out of their way to be nice to me and include me for no other reason than their innate kindness.
>>18496941Majority of people are good people, it's only a minority that are impolite, psychopaths, etc. If that wasn't the case society couldn't work.
