Why did the invisible hand of the market, in its infinite wisdom, decide to allocate potatoes away from the Irish and into export goods?
>>18496271Because the free market doesn't exist.
>>18496271People who treat free markets as ends instead of means are stupid. Irish famine was one exacerbated by discriminatory government policy that the market reflected. In a fair political system with minimal coercion and, markets work best.
>>18496271why do irish always lie? potato famine was caused by a rot that affected all of europe>>18496336no it wasn't. It was exacerbated by the Irish themselves. Irish fisher unions prevented people from feeding themselves by fishing>>18496271>invisible hand of the market>demand: food (because people are starving)>supply: fish, plentiful and easy to obtain>problem: Irish are genetically retarded >result: starvation
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>>18497615none of that is true, the three main reasons from actual Irish sources were>Irish viewed fish as pauper food and potatoes as up market food>despite starving they would refuse to eat anything but potatoes>The fisher union thugs would attack and sabotage anyone else's efforts to fish. Scuttle their boats and tamper with their nets.>the unionist thugs would then refuse to fish themselves>the unionist thugs began selling off their fishing gear to buy potatoes
>>18497531>why do irish always lie? potato famine was caused by a rot that affected all of europeAnd yet only seem to uniquely devastate the parts Britain was in charge of running.>Irish fisher unions prevented people from feeding themselves by fishingkekked>supply: fish, plentiful and easy to obtainIrish fisheries (and crucially, the infrastructure that would have allowed them to feed those outside the areas they already fed) had been deliberately gutted or underfunded so as to not compete with British fisheries.Why are you so mindbroken by place as small as Ireland?>>18496271British Government policy during the Potato Blight wasn't really that retarded or that evil, for a lot of it they very sincerely did what they (incorrectly, but non-maliciously) believed was best. There were of course those who took delight in the suffering of the Irish but when people say>the millions of deaths/emigrations are because of Britainit's more to do with British policy leading up to the famine, rather than the insufficient efforts to tackle it when it happened.Protestants and Catholics in Ireland were aware of Ireland' vulnerability to famine in the late 19th Century which was one of several reasons why the Patriot movement in the 1780s were so keen for trade and market reform on threat of revolution.
>>18497531>No, see, actually the famine never happened and anyway it was the UNIONS that did the famine!
>>18497738even the paddy that coined the concept of the "famine genocide" admitted it had nothing to do with the British and was a natural disaster but doubled down on the imaginary narrative anyway because it was politically expedient for him to whoop up hate. Which is how micks operate, always blaming another group for their miserable lives.>>18497737The potato blight devastated all of europe you idiotic paddy>brits defunded you just made that up on the spot, as a mick does. There was only one major fishing industry out of Galway Bay and it was Irish owned and run and unionised.
>>18497775>It's an imaginary narrative that the British at best mismanaged a famine and at worst didn't care and actively refused to send aid while bleeding the province dry from any goods that might alleviate the situation>What's not an imaginary narrative is the idea that during a famine fishing unions were so powerful that they stopped people from fishing and that the Irish refused to eat fish because it's "poor people food"
>>18497793when are you irish going to stop lying. A blight that affected all of Europe from south America has nothing to do with the British. Thats like the retards (you) that try to claim the British caused drought. The fact that Irish considered fish pauper food is attested to by Irish themselves from multiple sources.
>>18497797Fuck off rosbif
>>18496271There was also a high demand for dead Irish.
>>18497775>The potato blight devastated all of europe you idiotic paddyYet Ireland and parts of Scotland were devastated in a way others weren't, because of British policy in the decades leading up to it. It killed protestants in Ireland too, you know.>There was only one major fishing industry out of Galway Bay An 1848 report (Brabazon, The Deep Sea and Coast Fisheries of Ireland, 1848) noted the high potential yield of Irish fisheries that was ruined by a lack of capitol amongst what he called "industrious and skillful."In Scotland, there were extensive subsidy programs throughout the 18th Century whereas in Ireland there were none until 1819, when the Irish Fisheries Board was finally established. The initial system the IFB used was a bounty system and so in the 1820s were was a boom from around 5,000 fishing boats to over 13,000 fishing boats. But then in 1829 they suddenly removed this policy on account of "muh invisible hand of the market. In 1836 they then told the Irish Fisheries that they would grant loans for the construction of new piers, salt houses, curing stations and educational facilities but then didn't do any of that; instead they just put the Board of Works in charge of the fisheries, and used all the money reserved for the aforementioned infrastructure for projects outisde of Ireland. So in the 1820s there's this huge boom as people expect the fishing industry to finally get the investment it needs, then in the early 1830s they ditch all that and move on without a word. A report in 1846 suggested actually investing in the fishing industry, to which the British government responded with a total of 3 curing stations (Balmullet, Roundstone and Killeybegs), all of which took too long to establish (only finished by 1847) and British mismanagement of their funding lead to their closure or sale to private owners by 1849.
>>18497856Thats off the bat retarded. How could "British policy" foresee a blight that came from the americas.You paddies are weasels that try to twist the truth to claim it was premeditated>protestantsim not a protestant stfu you mick retard. It was a disaster that affected all of Europe.
>>18497858An entire century prior to the potato blight, Ireland's vulnerability to famine in the face of even a bout of adverse weather was exposed. When the unseasonably cold winters of 1739 and 1740 hit, Ireland was devastated due to how poorly it was being run. There was massive anger amongst both the poor population and the within the Protestant Ascendancy due to just how useless Britain was in responding to it.Most of the relief schemes in this case came from local leaders in Dublin, and many were exasperated with Westminster's response. It was one of many huge motivations for the Patriot movement that developed behind the likes of Henry Gratten, hoping to reform the Irish parliament and empower it to deal with such issues. There was no attempt to prepare Ireland or reform it following this disaster, so naturally when another disaster (like the potato blight hits) suffering continued.>im not a protestant stfu you mick retard.sorry anon, I can't keep track of oversensitive fags on this board who obsess about Ireland. Maybe you're the seething scot, maybe you're the black hungarian /po/fag, I don't care. But thank you for trying to ragebait as it makes it very easy to infodump on this topic
>>18496271The famine was exacerbated by them planting only a single species of potato which got rekt by blight. Natural section leads to biodiversity and resilience against pests and disease. Ignore it at your own peril.
>>18496271The invisible hand of the market ws trying to get rid of the irish.
>>18497531>no it wasn't.The Irish famine might be one of the most poorly understood but also most emotional historical event out there. It’s not true that the British caused the famine or did it on purpose. But, many of those other countries bought up food yo feed their people when the blight hit. Britain didn’t do this when it could and it was too late when they realized they should. They did this because of laissez faire economic beliefs and to protect English markets. They also thought they’d make not just the famine but the economy overall worse by distributing food. These poor policies did exacerbate the issue, just like the fishing unions and violence from the Irish exacerbated it.
>>18497797And you'll post these sources and instantly btfo of us. Right?
>>18496271They didn't diversify their portfolio, they instead monocropped their peat bogs.Their Anglican neighbors grew different strains of wheat and where profitable oats and barley, they also raised cattle for beef, milk and butter for export to where it fetches high prices. They were just better farmers and it comes as no surprise that they came to acquire most of the land in Ireland.
>>18499749Anon, you're making a (very common) mistake in your assumption about Irish agriculture in the 19th Century. This wasn't a case of Irish farmers simply going:>ah yes, 1 strain of potato. what could go wrong? nor was it>EVERYONE IN IRELAND only eats potatoes, what could go wrong?These weren't Irish farmers at markets pondering what to grow, they were extremely impoverished people living in a state which had persecuted them for centuries, paying very high rent and mostly farming for subsistence rather than profit. They weren't growing to sell, they were growing to live-they couldn't even try improve their farm as this would increase their rent. A huge population boom in the early 19th Century saw the amount of land being used for tillage skyrocket; less land could now be used to feed themselves, so they turned to the potato because it was quick and easy to grow. It hadn't been some sort of longstanding staple, but was rather rapidly adopted as the new all-year-round source of food.When you are scratching out a shitty existence with no money or autonomy, it doesn't matter how concerned you are about lack of genetic variet among potatoes because you are powerless to solve the problem and if you deviate slightly from what you're doing it could be the difference between living or getting you+your family evicted and dying. Not everyone in Ireland lived like this, and those who didn't weren't really effected. But because so many did, so many died.>They were just better farmers Anon probably the single most defining legacy of British colonialism in the Irish countryside is how inefficient and shitty the "Anglican farmers" were. This is why the question of land reform is one of the main pillars of Irish nationalism, EVERYONE from the pro-empire constitutional nationalists to the communists at one stage or another got involved in mass politics to try and reform and redistribute the land in a less autistic and useless way.
>>18499818more irish liesfriendly reminder that irish people blame their tiny plots of land because of their own native system of gavelkind inheritance on the british enforcing it on themi've literally seen people claiming the irish were forced to inherit tiny plots of land not realising gavelkind is a system native to irleand
>we wuz ulster scots n sheitwhy are paddies like this
