Why did so many groups throughout history try and fail to subjugate Jews?
>>18496504You have literally lacked a homeland for centuries, lived as diaspora refugees in filthy ghettos, persecuted and punished and massacred by countless states. Why did you "survive"? Because they didn't have industrial scale genocides back then, and because it was easier to ship your ass off to another country willing to take you in.
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>>18496504The Babylonians were successful
>>18496504The Romans succeeded. "jews" only exist now as mutts because of them. And your country had to be given to you after two thousand years of statelessness because of them.Also, I'm pretty sure one of those wojacks is either Greek or Persian. Which just goes to show how psychotic you are that you even say this shit about people who treated you far more kindly than you deserved.How do you manage to be worse than niggers and jeets combined?
>>18496539They have always been like this, that's why they were given a book that told them of all of their crimes and how to change their ways.
>>18496532>The Babylonians were successfulNot seeing them around.
>>18496570They're called Iraqis. Let me guess, you'll say that Romans don't exist because now they're called Italians? An Italian is genetically closer to a Roman than a modern Jew is to an ancient Jew. If the only part of your identity you can cling onto as a sort of pride is a LARP religion then you are mentally ill.
>>18496573Iraqis don't speak the language of Babylonia
>>18496504dunno, hadrian and hitler mogged them quite well
>>18496504Why does it start with an Egyptian when there is zero proof that Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt?
>>18496583And the Israelis speak a zombie meme language
>>18496650So you're telling me that the Jews literally wrote an entire fanfic about getting enslaved and returning heckin' epick style?Why are they so weird?
>>18496573>you'll say that Romans don't exist because now they're called Italians? An Italian is genetically closer to a Roman than a modern Jew is to an ancient JewActually a Southern Italian is exactly as close to a Roman as an Ashkenazi Jew is to a Jew from Roman times so they're both equally preserved.
>>18496504Rome destroyed your temple, crushed you so hard even your god abandoned the field, scattered you to the winds, essentially wiped you out genetically so much that the most relation you can hope to have with an ancient Jew is around 50%.Meanwhile, Rome still stands as one of the oldest continuously populated cities in world history. The Romans still exist in through modern day Italians, their engineering feats which are still used to this day, and the peoples they influenced.What have the Jews done, other than ride the coattails of superior civilizations they could never create?
>>18496657Because one of the groups that contributed to the ethnogenesis of Jews were Shasu nomads who interacted with Egypt on their border due to having a presence on the Sinai. Relations were mixed, the Egyptians generally considered them annoying (they were prone to raiding) but sometimes they were moderately friendly or neutral to one another. My guess is that at some point the Egyptians might have bitchslapped them in retaliation over a nasty raiding period and this caused enough butthurt to be incorporated into their mythology. The Shasu being the ones who originally worshiped YHWH.
>>18496653>hurr durr modern Hebrew is a reconstructed languageWhen will this myth die out? Hebrew was literally preserved as the liturgical language of Judaism for thousands of years (like Latin for Catholicism and Sanskrit for Hinduism). The only “changes” they made to it when reviving it as a commonly spoken language was adding words for stuff that didn’t exist when it was last commonly spoken (like guns, cameras, etc). Have any of you retards ever actually sat down and compared Modern Hebrew to Biblical Hebrew? Obviously some things evolved with time, but the core vocabulary and grammar are very much the same.>hurr durr only a few hebrew words survivedYou mean like the entire Tanakh plus the Mishna? How much resemblance modern Hebrew has to Biblical Hebrew has nothing to do with how much right Israel has to occupy Palestine.
>>18496668Read Gmirkin. It's clear the Jews wrote that narrative as a polemic against Manetho, who did in fact write about the Shasu. And no, the Shasu were nomadic conquerors from Asia who settled in the Nile Delta region. They weren't slaves, they were tyrannical barbarians taking advantage of Egypt in a time of political crisis.
>>18496504Jews are the most powerful race on earth and it's not close
>>18496672Actually it’s the other way around. The story of Exodus predates the Ptolemaic dynasty and it was Manetho who wrote his work as a polemic against Exodus, not the other way around.
>>18496573The city of Babylon doesn’t exist anymore, nor do they worship Babylonian gods anymore, nor do they speak the language of Babylon (Akkadian) anymore.
>>18496681There is 0 evidence of the Torah existing in any kind of narrative form before the 3rd century BC at best. Earliest material evidence shows 2nd century BC.
>>18496690I asked an LLM about it and it linked me to this thingy:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketef_Hinnom_scrollsIt also said that, while the other early texts aren't as old, they are in pre-Babylonian exile Hebrew, which was no longer common at the time.
>>18496573And? Are Iraqis successful? Or did they get rekt by Israel's good dog?
>>18496707That's not a Torah, but it is a small textual tradition that was later incorporated into the Torah. Many sources were used in compiling the Pentateuch, and the Hellenistic influence is prominent and so widespread that nothing approaching a Torah can exist when that cultural influence is removed. We know there's things like Mesopotamian influence and Ugaritic texts that are far older than the Bible but these are not the only sources drawn from in the creation of the Pentateuch.
>>18496733But to specify then, can you name some of the important chunks of the Torah/OT that you think cannot be shown to precede Manetho?
>>18496733BTW another claim it makes is that:>The Samaritans split from the Jews around the 4th century BCE. They accepted the full narrative Pentateuch but rejected all later prophetic books. For two bitterly rivalrous groups to share almost identical Torah narratives, the text must have been a highly authoritative, compiled narrative before their split
>>18496671>Latin for Catholicismkek, way to destroy your own argumentwhat do you think you would get if you tried to revive latin based on ecclesiastical latin?imagine if they sent a bunch of people from new jersey to rome after expelling the modern inhabitants and taught them how to speak "latin" and tried to have them larp as romansit would be ridiculousjust as ridiculous as what they did with "isreal". a mockery of a country, a mockery of a language
>>18496748The Samaritan Pentateuch is just an edited version of a Jerusalem Pentateuch. It's closer to what you'd find in the DSS. Mount Gerizim, Shechem, Samaria, and other major urban areas in Samaria were destroyed. There was no priesthood operating on Mount Gerizim for multiple centuries due to a military presence, and you can tell this is the case because of its harmonized verses, interpolations, and stories that Samaritans would absolutely not have written in their texts. Most scholars conclude that the earliest the Torah was "finalized" was the 3rd century BCE. Besides, we have the Elephantine Papyri to even disprove the employment of Torah law in the early 4th century BCE. You had multiple temples and priesthoods operating across Egypt and Palestine.
>>18496671>When will this myth die out?When it stops being true. Which is never since you can't un-kill your retarded sand nigger babbling.
>>18496744My advice is to just download Gmirkin's Plato’s Timaeus and the Biblical Creation Accounts off of library Genesis and look at the tables and figures. It's a lot quicker and you'll get the point faster.The Pentateuch pulls from Plato, and Plato is older than Manetho. But the Levant and Egypt obtained access to Plato long after his death.
Retarded meme, the USSR was a Jjewish supmremacist state.>but inb4 they killed some jewish people!...who simply happened to be jewish. Antisemitism was punishable by death under Stalin.
>>18496782>jewish supmremacist state>bad relations with Israel and regularly helped out their Arab enemies
>>18496504The diaspora is not real and Josephus exaggerates the impact of the first Jewish war to such a ridiculous extreme it's insane that people still parrot the idea. Same goes for Hadrian's romanization of the province. The majority of Jews stayed put and eventually converted to Christianity/Islam over the centuries, meaning the Palestinians are more than likely the descendents of the original Jews of the bible. The typical modern Israeli as we known them today is the descendent of European converts who have no blood ties to the land, whose ancestors lived in modern day Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, etc. It's a successful colonization scheme by a bunch of European converts playing pretend. You can defend the actions of Israel or decry them, but you can't seriously tell me that there's an unbroken genetic line between the average Jewish person who moved from Brooklyn NY to Tel Aviv in the 70s and the people of Solomon and David. Or that atheist zionists like Theodore Herzl who used cynically biblical imagery to justify their nation-building and trick retarded Evangelicals into supporting them have anything in common with Bar Kochba. It's ludicrously stupid. It would be like me as an Amerifat claiming to have Native American ancestry and dressing up like an Apache.
>>18496793>But they hated Israel Goy!...as do many Jews today who are just as hateful against white people as their zionist counterparts. Also you aren't even fully correct as Stalin supported Israel.
>>18496912>as do many Jews todayBut which *Jewish supremacists* do? Do any Jewish supremacists provide weapons, intel and training to their enemies?>Stalin supported IsraelVery briefly until he realized they weren't going to be his commie puppets and then he started sperging out at Jews.
>>18496583and israelis dont speak Sumerian (the language of Abram), Aramaic (language of the kingdom of israel), or Classical Hebrew (language of the Southern Kingdom of Israel).Archaic Hebrews also werent 20-50% Slavic.... lol
>>18497048Actually Abraham spoke Akkadian since he lived in the 17th century BC.
>>18497048>Archaic Hebrews also werent 20-50% Slavic....By this metric modern Italians aren’t Romans because they have Arab and Germanic admixture
>>18496583Jews don't speak the language of Jvdea either tho
>>18497053Romans had Arab and Germanic admixture from internal migration.
>>18497053Romans are not 20-50% Arab/Germanic.Hebrews ARE 20-50% non-Levantine.Italians are closer to their ancestors than Hebrews are.I dont know, maybe you shouldnt have been vile subhumans whom your god deemed necessary to scatter you and have your girls get fucked.maybe obey the law next time??
>>18497060>Hebrews ARE 20-50% non-Levantine.What about the Mizrahim doebeit?
>>18496504>failbuddy, everyone who tried was successful and you should try being grateful that nobody is trying to kill you today because it doesn't mean you're winning anything
>>18497063negligible portion of the israeli population and well admixed with Arabs and Nafris whom the Classical Hebrews were not.The closest population to Davidic Era Hebrews are Samaritans.
>>18497069>negligible portionNigger what? They're half the population and there are even Ashkenazicels who seethe about the genetic differences like the Mizrahim are "inferior".
>>18497074nigger the most common language in israel aside from their meme language is Russian.
>>18497077Nigger why would that matter when there are over 3 million Mizrahim there, if anything it was easier for them to transition from another Semitic language.
>>18496671You're talking to people who's entire knowledge of judaism comes from ww2 little dark age edits and twitter screencaps. You're wasting your time here dude.
>>18496665>Jews are inferior >Jews control every asset of my life, they run the world and they own me Which is it moron
>>18496504>We were continually subjugated and opressed by stronger neighbors for 2700 years>See THIS PROVES that we are superior or somethingThe Egyptian thing is also fake btw.
>>18496504Jews have been subjugated and slaughtered countless times, biblical Jews are long gone. Modern "jews" are just southern Italians LARPing as jews.
>>18496665roman paganism diedjewish religion lived oneven greek paganism is still relevant
>>18496504They're like annoying flies, you smack them but tomorrow they're back, they're always back, and no one cares enough nor has enough resources to spend on a total flies genocide
>>18496504>nazi>>The!>>No.???
>>18497626>>18496671No Jewish diaspora spoke Hebrew. The closest case would be the Yemeni Jews who are unironically discriminated against by the "real joos". Hebrew is a zombie meme language forcefully revived by Israel to gain some vague sense of legitimacy.
>>18497627Depends on what he's arguing against.
>>18496539They are the enemy of all mankind…
>>18497810>No Jewish diaspora spoke HebrewWhat does that matter? The language was preserved because the texts were written in it, I don't see why every Schlomo Goldsteinberg *had* to have been speaking Hebrew in private while being surrounded by 99.99% of people who spoke other languages for the autists who obsessed over muh heritage to nevertheless continue to autistically keep the language as a niche hobby thing.
