>>18497437
The entirety of europe vs Russia, and somehow Russia hasn't lost in a thousand years of being the enemy of the west. The west has desperately tried and failed to genocide Russians and conquer their lands but Russia has always beat them back, always survives, and always manages to grow strong enough to fight them all at the same time. If that isn't kino of the highest order, Idk what is.

>>18497464
take your meds ivan
europe created russia by allying with russia to destroy germany and poland

>>18497437
As a Swede I'd say Denmark-Sweden rivalry
800 years of constant fighting for the north. Always on the opposite end of every war.
Even the years of Kalmar Union was mostly marked by bickering and in-fighting.

Funny how we're best friends. I suppose it was one positive aspect about nationalism. Somewhere along the line we realised we're the same people.

>>18497437
ancient greece and heterosexuality

>>18497437
Their power wasn't mutually exclusive, so I wouldn't call them rivals.
A real rivalry would be more like England and America, for control over global finance, or Germany and France for control over Europe. In these situations, only one of the two can triumph in its ambitions and the other must be totally defeated

>>18497437
They were allies pretending to be rivals in order to divide up the world into spheres of influence. It's the same trick America and Russia pulled in the 20th century

>>18497513
>Their power wasn't mutually exclusive, so I wouldn't call them rivals.
Explain.
Yeah Britain eventually got the edge towards the 19th century but there were centuries when France was vastly superior such as under Louis XIV, but more often than not they were equal.
This is assuming OP doesnt just mean Britain but also England.

>>18497526
France's desire is, primarily, to control the European continent, and colonialism was simply a means to strengthen their position to do so. England's desire is the same as their Dutch predecessors, to control the world's oceans and dominate global trade. Yes English and French ambitions lead to frequent clashes with one another but their core desires are not inherently contradictory.
Whereas Germany's core desires are inherently contradictory with France's (there can only be one master of Europe), and America's core desires are inherently contradictory with England's (there can only be one leader of global trade).

>>18497534
You do realise that history doesnt start at 1750?
Yeah Britain got the edge at the end of the 18th century (arguably, they wouldnt have been able to defeat France in 1815 without a grand coalition).
The point is that you're ignoring the other 500 years of rivalry between them and only focus on the point when overseas territory became pivotal.
In the late 1600 / early 1700 France was an absolute powerhouse and the de facto hegemony in Europe after the collapse of the Habsburg hegemony

>>18497543
>In the late 1600 / early 1700 France was an absolute powerhouse and the de facto hegemony in Europe after the collapse of the Habsburg hegemony
That's just more evidence Germany is France's primary enemy. They defeated the Germans to become master of Europe. Their feud with England in the colonial sphere was secondary.
Perhaps we're arguing over differing definitions of what rival means

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>>18497464
Last century you conquered half of Europe.
This century you can't even get more than a couple miles into what was formerly your own territory.

It's so fucking over.

>>18497548
Gorbachev and Yeltsin should have been flayed

>>18497547
Maybe, because again your argument seems to be on the premise that history starts mid-18th century because it's roughly around that timeframe colonialism begins in earnest and Prussia becomes strong enough to hold its own.
So again, you're ignoring the other 600 years of English-French rivalry which by far dominates anything even remotely French-German. The hundred years war ALONE is longer than the timeline of France-Germany rivalry combined.
Prussias historical rival wasnt France but Austria.
In fact even French-Austrian rivalry is longer and more compelling than French-German.
But then again this is /his/, anons have an obsession with 19-20th century so you're probably one of them. It seems you cannot graps the remaining 1500 years of European history to get a full picture. Study more.

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>>18497437
>Final arc
>The big vilain eventually reaches its ultimate form
>Our two heroes have to join forces to win
That was beyond kino, kinoissimo even

>>18497464
>If that isn't kino
It isn't, it's just a persecution complex

>>18497464
>The entirety of europe vs Russia
Nice fanfic, this never happened
Russia was far away from the stuff going in Europe

>>18497548
Nukes nerfed everyone in terms of conventional warfare

>>18497437
Ironically, now they are closer now than they've ever been, even before Brexit. They seem to huddle together when the rest of the world's going to shit. Some weird brotherly love/rivalry.

>>18497688
As a bong it doesn't seem that way
They're dicking over remainers hard, every time our happy clappy europhiles try to make a nice deal with our loving european partners as a hopeful soft lead back in, the french shit in their faces and humiliate them, they're paying millions for the french to slow walk sorting out asylum seekers

>>18497534
This seems mostly correct, but OP's use of the term "rival" doesn't necessarily mean "toward an end only one country can achieve." But your take on it is insightful.

>>18497464
Lost WW1

Rome/Byzantines/Ottomans vs Persia

>>18497437
The Habsburgs vs the Ottomans.

>>18497437
The Dutch vs The Sea.

>>18497548
Russia is still a nation state because it stands on its own. If you're a westoid, the best you can hope for is to become a province of the EU and be ruled by foreigners in Brussels. Did you know that the government of the Netherlands anticipates Dutch will become a "home language" sometime in the future, meaning people will speak it in private and English in public/educational/professional settings? They literally gave up on peoplehood.

>>18499462
>Russia is still a nation state
KEK you really dont know what a nationstate is because Russia is the polar opposite of that you fucking retard.
The country is more multi-national than most countries on this planet.

>>18499494
>russia is le gulaghomo islamist steppe caliphate run by kavkaz hooligans who oppress ethnic russians
>russia is a genocidal settler state where poor heckin indigenous peoples get massacred and russified by fascist moskals, decolonization NOW!
sounds like your faggot belter ass can't make up its mind what russia is, it really just depends on who you're selling the propaganda to. I'm sure you're too much of a coward to reveal your ethnic background, but whatever it is I'm sure the atrocities russia inflicted on it were deeply justified and funny too

>>18499504
>it really just depends on who you're selling the propaganda to.

No it's the fucking truth you retard.
Do you realise how many autonomous regions Russia has?
Why do you think these regions are autonomous?
Oh because they're populated by people of completely different etnicity and cultures you fucking moron.
That's the direct opposite of a nation-state.
Go back to school, you clearly missed this elemental definition.

>>18497437
No.