Has there ever been an instance where a no name dark horse sellsword went in a medieval tourney, won the entire thing, and took off with the money aloof to nobles, ladies and peasants alike like guts in berserk.>inb4 william morris Not what im talking about
No. Because tournaments were restricted to knights and lords, not whatever merc with a sword shows up.>William MorrisThe 19th century socialist artist?
>>18498682Sir William Marshal?
>>18498689lords can employ either loyal trusted or they can hire random mercenaries when they are desperate, so in op's context, a desperate measure like hiring an unknown to be in their stead could count, if the convention is to only have loyal retainers
>>18498682>william morrisI too enjoy 19th century textile design.
>>18498689>>18498735Sorry mean marshal>>18498698Yes
>>18498689>Because tournaments were restricted to knights and lords, not whatever merc with a sword shows upFucking europoids being nepo babies since forever huh?
>>18499008Why let randoms into your club activities?
>>18499023Well this activity, namely physical violence, is just about the only one that can slice your head off despite nepotistic policies. For example through nepotism you can become immune to law, you cant become immune to bleeding out after being stabbed, therefore it should be a non-nepotistic activity.
>>18498689Sir John Hawkwood began as a tanner and became a merc with a sword who could enter tournaments
>>18498682Yeah, tournaments were popular events where nobody peasants could make a real name for themselves in high society through sheer skill. These dudes were basically like sports stars or pro wrestlers but real, their standards would be recognized. Their local communities would have a lot of pride in them.You're not likely to see a peasant jousting or anything since the equipment is expensive, though at a certain point horses became relatively common as agricultural equipment (horse collar) and it wouldn't be totally unheard of to see one of these types knowing how to ride, but they could certainly impress through other more terrestrial feats like pugilism or archery.Ofc, once you're invited to the afterparty and the rich fucks see you're just another gross villain you're not likely to advance upwards though. What you could get though are offers to take you on as a retainer man at arms.You'll see people claim only nobility were allowed to participate. This is bullshit.
>>18499074Eh anyways I just like the idea of someone like bronn from game of thrones just btfoing nobles, spitting at the direction of peasants, taking the prize money and walking away with a pure individualist stride that dabs on everyone around so i made this stupid thread lol.
>>18499034But one of the things you could get as a reward is a set of armor. But randoms have shitty mismatched armors. I don't want that. Also they might become popular. And as a lord I only want other lords to be popular. Otherwise my popularity is questioned.
>>18499008I'm sorry your family sucks, brapeet.
>>18498682In the early to high middle ages tournaments were relatively open but still restricted to the martial classes. Only in the later periods were they restricted to members of the nobility. Consider also that the status of nobility and the ability to fight on horseback or in armor went hand in hand, since it was the nobility who had primary the time, money and obligation to learn those skills. >William MarshalBut he got knighted in 1166 and participated in his first tournament in 1167. And he came from a noble family.>>18498710The retainers of a lord (who was eligible to take part in a tournament) were members of the nobility as well. Either his noble sons or other lesser nobles in his employment. I couldn't find a single instance where Noble X send his sarjeant or man-at-arms in order to fight for him in a tournament.>>18499035I couldn't find any evidence that Hawkwood entered a tournament. >>18499074Name one peasant who did so.>though at a certain point horses became relatively common as agricultural equipmenThe agricultural usage of horses is vastly different than the martial one. Ffs you wouldn't even use the same breeds for those tasks.
>WIlliam MorrisMartial Arts & Crafts
>>18498682>alike like guts in berserk.JUST LIKE MY FAV EDGY RAPE MANGA OWO
>>18498710Yeah. As cannon fodder soldiers. They're not entering tournaments alongside them.>>18499035And he did that by just showing up at a tournament, still covered in shit, did he?
>>18499074A Knights Tale isn't real life. The key surviving set of rules for a tournament in the 15th century specifies that if someone who isn't a knight tries to enter, the actual knights should gang up and kick the shit out of him.
>>18499545Hawkwood was the son of a minor landowner, who also ran a tannery. He wasn't a poorfag and thus could afford good equipment, which he put to use during the 100 Years War as an archer. In 1361 he joined the White Company and fought in Italy and in 1363 he became its captain. Somewhere in between he got probably knighted.
>>18499564>minor landownerLooooooooool you think the sons of minor landowners are entering tournaments? The equivalent of a used car dealer turning up to the country club and asking to be let in.
>>18499564>archerLMFUCKINGAO
>>18499567I'm a different Anon. There is no evidence that Hawkwood entered any tournament. But he wasn't a peasant either.>>18499571Yes. During his time in the White Company he was a lancer and eventually their commander - who also fought on occasion on the frontline.
>>18499573>lancer HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Fucking povo playing at being a gentleman. If he's not from the knightly class, he's not getting in. Think polo tournament at the country club, not basketball game at the YMVA.
>>18499576Are you denying the existence of John Hawkwood?
>>18499581I'm denying a fucking tanner's son showing up and taking part in a tournament with knights. Polo tournament, not basketball game.
>>18499583Good. Because I'm also sceptical of that claim made by >>18499035 and that's why I have stressed that there is no evidence of Hawkwood taking part in any tournament.
