>"Yes Hitler may have won the election, but he doesn't have a majority! We have checks and balances! Constitutional safeguards!">Literally 1 year later Hitler is eternal Hitlerfuhrer of the Hitlerreich What the fuck happened? Was the opposition taking a nap?
Getting elected into power and then self-couping or legislating to perpetuate yourself was quite common. Germany wasn't an exception.
>>18500074There wasn't any constitutional safeguards in German law, that's why after Hinderburg death nothing could stop nazis from just extending Enabling Act endlessly
>>18500074The conservatives basically joined up to give hitler unlimited power. They did this under implicit threat that the nazis would start a civil war and enact revenge on everyone who voted against it.>A two-thirds majority would therefore be in reach with the votes of the Catholic Centre Party. Hitler negotiated with the Centre Party's chairman, Ludwig Kaas, a Catholic priest, and finalized an agreement on 22 March. Kaas agreed to support the law in exchange for assurances of his party's continued existence, the protection of Catholic civil liberties and Catholic schools, and the retention of civil servants affiliated with the party.The nazis could credibly do that because they had created massive paramilitary forces (far dwarfing police and military) and strong support among police and justice too.
>>18500122It wasnt a democracy before Hitler either. Hindenburg ruled by Article 48, chronically passing emergency decrees. The entire Weimar constitution was flawed from its inception because Germany had no previous experience with democracy whatsoever.
>>18500122Basically this. What "checks and balances" in Weimar Germany dude, are you out of your fucking mind or living under a rock to the extent that you don't know what Weimar stands for in modern political discourse ("Weimerica" bashing etc)?Also, the army was sucking Hitler's dick because they were afraid he'd listen to Strasser and Rohm's retarded demands to sack them all and replace them with the SA. They actually changed the army banner to the Swastika first out of their own volition and many generals helped Hitler purge the SA's leadership, to put it succinctly.On the political side of things he was able to basically bribe a lot of Zentrum's people in Bavaria - it was a Catholic rights gibsmedat party. He gave the gibs and got them on the side of the NSDAP. All the while communists were going full accelerationist and gleefully shouting "After Hitler, our turn!", giving themselves the license to sit back and do nothing while the NSDAP consolidates power lol. I mean it's not like they were wrong, they did get East Germany at the end regardless, but still.Succdems were obviously either nowhere to be seen, or actively switching sides and becoming staunch national socialists.
>>18500170>you don't know what Weimar stands for in modern political discourseThat's just modern far right being ignorant and uneducated.
>>18500178Yeah no bro, it was a utopia, my bad for believing my own eyes and assuming otherwise! Although to an extent you are correct but not in the way you envision, because if modern states actually were as scuffed as Weimar, things would be a lot easier for us. Nowadays there's only blatantly controlled quasiopposition in electoral politics, like AfD or RN, practically everything is accounted for in advance. Weimar was a total political wild west in comparison, with extreme passion and a penchant for mass crowd violence on both the far left and far right.
>>18500162Not true and not true. Even late weimar was a democracy, just a gridlocked one. Hindenburg was no dictator, he was using emergency powers because no stable majority could be found in the parliament to either rule or stop him.And Weimar had only minor flaws that would not have endangered democracy had there actually been a majority of people in favour of it. Modern germany on the other hand thinks they have perpetuated democracy because it says in the constitution that you're not allowed to abolish it. Well we'll see what the muslims think of that. Oh no, some dead infidels wrote I can't do it, whatever will I do.>>18500170Social democrats where the last party to still defend weimar, and the only ones to vote against the enabling act.>>18500152
>>18500190Modern states are nothing like Weimar Germany. Not politically or culturally.
>>18500152wow that all sounds awfully familiar
>>18500194> Hindenburg was no dictator, he was using emergency powers because no stable majority could be found in the parliament to either rule or stop him.Meaning its not a democracy. The parlament always rules in a democracy. If a minority government cannot be formed then a snap election will be called, and the process will repeat itself until a government can be formed. This has happened in Belgium multiple times as an example.
>>18500074Because unlike communists, the national socialists actually represented the will and interest of the German people
>>18500250>The parlament always rules in a democracy.It's called a presidential democracy. Weimar was a weird mixture. But the important point is, the parliament did at any point have the ability to stop hindenburg and he would have accepted too. They just didn't do it.>and the process will repeat itself until a government can be formedThey could have called elections for all eternity. Matter of fact, several elections were called, and eventually people were so sick of it the nazis were voted in just to have stability. That's where weimar truly failed, and admittedly failed beforehand in even allowing something like the enabling act. But frankly, and as I stated, constitutional limits can only do so much. And Gödel supposedly found a way to turn the US into a dictatorship, so it's not like other constitutions are intrinsically safe either.
>>18500074>What the fuck happened? Was the opposition taking a nap?for no reason at all...
>>18500152>Kaas agreed to support the law in exchange for assurances of his party's continued existence, the protection of Catholic civil liberties and Catholic schools, and the retention of civil servants affiliated with the partyKek party politics are Satan's greatest invention. >do whatever you want just don't take our pensions mmkay
>>18500152Kaas got so super cucked. He demanded those conditions, but despite never even receiving them in a written form, he still went and signed the enabling act. Not that written guarantees would have ultimately mattered, but still, pathetic.
>>18500220That’s why it’s so retarded when people try to compare modern political events to WW2 shit. It’s the equivalent of looking at Lenin in 1918 and going “Wow this guy is LITERALLY Robespierre” (which many retards actually did despite the two being entirely different philosophically and circumstantially)
>>18500250>and the process will repeat itself until a government can be formedThat’s what Germany was doing, and “until a government can be formed” just boiled down to Hindenburg and the far right caving and letting Hitler be Chancellor. In the meantime, someone had to run the country while that was being sorted out.>>18500274You’re probably overestimating Hindenburg’s respect for constitutional norms, and Germany didn’t even vote the Nazis in, there were just more parties willing to form a coalition with them once everyone accepted that the Nazis wouldn’t participate in any government that didn’t have Hitler as Chancellor. Otherwise I agree with your points.
>>18500074The NSocialists and the Communists occupied enough of the assembly that moderate parties could not operate a government without at least one of them. The conservatives chose the NSDAP; effectively choosing delayed doom instead of immediate doom.Also In hindsight it might've unironically been better if the communists (somehow) won.
>>18501490Yes, but only because postcommunist societies, shitty though they can be, are clearly more resistant to globohomo.
>>18501494No, it's because the country wouldn't have been split into two occupation zones for thirty years and have a third of its territory ethnically-cleansed.
