Today is the anniversary of that fateful day the last vestige of the Roman Empire fell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_ConstantinopleCould they have held out and won the day, and changed the course of history? Or was it always going to happen sooner or later?
>>18501501If you're asking about the siege of 1453, that was a foregone conclusion and anyone looking at a map could tell.If you're talking about it falling in general: I'm not seeing any historical determinism there. Byzantium made many errors in its later stages (civil wars, massacre of the latins and provoking the conquest of 1204, not converting to catholicism) and some of the later crusades to relieve them were just unlucky.
It ended in 1806
>>18501501why dumb niggers add badly generated shitty ai crap to op?
>>18501510That's nonsense. The frankish empire of charlemagne was a decent attempt at a spiritual revival, but not a continuation. The HRE wasn't even that, it was a large confederation-state with shoes it couldn't fill.
>>18501508You don't think there was anything the defenders could have done to win?
>>18501516I have no idea, whether that specific siege was unwinnable. But if they had won, they would have lost the next, and so on.
>>18501513Yet it lasted for 1000 years, 350~ beyond the eastern and longer than the original empire, republic and kingdom combined.
>>18501501Well, that happens when one trusts the Venetian merchants. Eternal respect for Constantine XI kino ending.
>>18501527(((Venetian merchants))) ?
>>18501527>WE WUZ ROMANS AND OUR ENEMIES ARE PI-AAAACK>Proceeds to die like a pathetic rat
>>18501535>Massacres innocent catholics>Catholics wreck your shitThe byzantranny boy diddler cries out in pain as he strikes you
>>18501512This. >discount Haghia Sophia with minarets
>>18501512Reeks and judeochristoid zionist redditors lack talent
never forghetti
>>18501548The fourth crusade was the only just and righteous one KEK
>>18501535>While, yes, pope we are totally going to send huge military aid to Constantinople! Just give us the gold. >[a loud coinage sound]>What a shame! Our ships can't go beyond Euboea. It's the winds. Not that we can move galleys by rowing, duh. >BTW, no refunds
>>18501559This meme that venetians were jews is so pathetic and absurd, they were staunchly catholicIf anything the reeks were the jews
>>18501501>The Fall of Gondor*ftfy
>>18501564More like the fall of proto epstein island
>>18501561>staunchly catholiclol
>>18501564
>>18501538Didn’t the Turkish sultan start calling himself Ceasar after taking the city? Sure there might be some Greek we wuzzing, but that’s some we wuzz inception shit. We wuzzing the we wuzzers.
>>18501527>agree to let Venice control your trade>beg Venice to lend you boats, so you are able to visit your territory in morea>constantly promise all kinds of lies, including conversion to Catholicism of the Empire, which strangely gets promised by every single new Emperor, but never fulfilled>randomly kill Latins every now and thenWHY DOES VENICE BETRAY ME BY ... not sending ENOUGH help, I admit they are helping me, but I WANT MORE!
>>18501623Yeah, Turkish sultans used the title Kayser-i-Rûm (Emperor of the Romans) and they considered their empire to be the legitimate succesor of Rome
>>18501647jej
>>18501516What would it help if they won that one siege, when they had nothing to push against the Turks who were expanding at explosive pace? Byzantium would have withered away either way at that point, it was too late for comebacks.
>>18501647 >randomly kill Latins every now and then Hey, pleb, that was two and a half centuries before and wasn't an issue at that time. >WHY DOES VENICE BETRAY ME BY ... not sending ENOUGH help, I admit they are helping me, but I WANT MORE!European Christians had sent small artillery pieces to Constantinople for decades as charity while Venetians always looked for the profit in dire situation of Constantinople. Genoans and a few Germans came to help but the Venetians played double game in Anno Domini 1453. Some did defend Constantinople but major reinforcements moved slow and never came in time. Had they come in time Constantinople probably wouldn’t fall that year since torkish naval blockade wasn’t efficient as torks wanted to be.
>>18501682think of the booty had they won and then looted the ottoman baggage train... might have been enough to buy some landsknechts i deem!
>>18501510Actually it ended when Harambe took his last breath.
>>18501738>Wrong!
>>18501501>last vestige of the Roman Empire fell.uhm that would be the despotate of morea, sweetiejust kidding, the empire fell at the milvian bridge
>>18501545You're brown
>>18501501The Christians didn't care then.Constantinople was a shell of it's former self, surrounded by Turkish Empire and reliant on mercenaries. They were like a Round 6 boxer with puffy eyes and lips, barely standing. Someone you looked at and thought 'How the fuck are you still alive.'And that's the real significance of the Fall of Constantinople. A city that was inevitably going to fall and, when it did, no-one cared.
>>18501516if we presume that the empire didn't fall in 1204 and accept the palalogoi larp as legit, the turning point was probably black death overlapping with byzantine civil war of 1341-47. it was a super weak rump state afterwards. civil war of 1373-79 turned them into official turkish vassals (kwab). so it was over long before 1453.
1201 is a much more accurate date for the fall of the Roman Empire. That was when Rome ceased to exist in its entirety. 1453 wasn't he same state, it was a successor state claiming to be that previous state. Kinda like some Italian state claiming they are Rome now
>>18503214It was the best day on earth and that euroach judeochristian ledditors like you seethe will never stop to amuse me
>>18503263>retarded shitskins can now go out in the open on websites like 4chan and it's considered normalThis must have been how the Romans felt.
>>18503275>retarded shitskinsEnough about reekoids like Manuel kommenos who was an object of mockery of italians who called him and his reeks niggers sir
>>18503275>RomansThey fell to Germanic bvlls at 476, this thread is about the shithole reek despotate of byzantium sir
>>18503281>who was an object of mockery of italians You literally call yourself "Pakistani Bro".
>>18503286We literally invented Aryan civilization as well as Turkic one in the east
>>18503287>we
