It's annoying because there are numerous theodicies so really this conversation should have advanced. The fact it hasn't shows ill will on the half of the atheists/critics.

>>18501608
None of the Christian explanations are better than "God just works in mysterious ways".

>>18501608
Why does God, the all merciful, all loving, allow innocent children, babies even, to the raped? Why doesnt he just zap the rapist with lightning (that be controls) or turn them into pillars of salt (like he did before)?

>>18501605
Why would he intervene? God is pro pedophilia

>Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.

>>18501605
Based. The thing is, Christians have no real answer to the problem of evil. Sure, they have arguments, but any further look into them will make them inevitably fall. Moreover, their God is not really one worthy of worship on moral grounds.

>>18501610
>>18501611
Leibniz addresses this without the 'mysterious ways' explanation.

>>18501616
And his explanation is?

>>18501605
>i was molested as i child
>thats why im a faggot athiest and G-d is responsible for me going to hell
welp that a new way of saying why bad thing happen ill give you that

>>18501626
>God allowed my life to be ruined when it was totally within his power to stop it
Sounds a compelling reason to not like God?

>>18501619
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds

>>18501632
>Babies being raped is GOOD actually, the best if anything
Absolutely psychopathic.

>>18501605
that is what comes of thinking the jew devil is God instead of seeing the light and realizing that the light of God in Christ is the one true living God

>>18501605
Have you considered that maybe He likes it? Perhaps it's what gets Him off.

>>18501611
SAAR

>>18501638
You’ve said nothing

>>18501605
every day a new excuse comes from atheists to hate God

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>>18501632
>>18501616
>>18501619
>look inside
Theory of Emanation.

The world is the current possible optimum, but the arc of history bends towards goodness, eh?

>>18501616
But his explanation is that it couldn't possibly be better than this. Literally anything that happens is part of a global equation that solves for X, where X is the ideal value. If you start banging your head against the wall right now until you get brain damage, it's the best possible world. If you save a starving child, it's the best possible world. If you kill said child, same. You literally can't improve or worsen the world in any way no matter what. You have zero impact.

OP here. Also I'd like to use this thread as an opportunity to talk about my god Ganesh, whose infinite wisdom and compassion far exceeds that of the Christian god.

>>18501823
What exactly are you screeching at?

>>18501832
Why do you love raping babies you fucking pedo?

>>18501605
One of many reasons polytheism makes more sense. Even christians agree. Which is why they reinvented hostile deities and called them demons.

>>18501848
They're degenerates pretending to be zealots. They will defend anything as long as it supports their Jewish fairytails. Its literally 1984 doublethink.

>>18501605
To people promoting the problem of evil, they are the same people who are attacking federal agents right now at the ice facility, and they are funded by people like George Soros’ open society foundation. Which is like when Jews funded the same thing in Nazi Germany. They promoted trannies and sex changes in children and it made someone like Hitler go after them.

Which means they aren’t really Jews, they are satanists whether they openly or secretly worship him or are tools of him worshiping forms of lies and false doctrines either out of spite or just blinded to the truth of God (man can be women, women can be men).

So they get people to try to get governments to throw people into prison for extremely blasphemous situations. Like how dare you not let a tranny into this bathroom, or this doctor’s services.

If you remember Samson, as soon as God left him for telling Delilah how to remove God’s presence from him to remove his strength from his body, this was what allowed the philistines and Delilah to have his eyes poked through. Once God left him, they were allowed and able to do whatever evil they wanted to , to him. But notice that as Samson was blind and brought to their tables at the feast, to laugh at him, he spoke “Do you remember me, Lord?” So in his blinded state, God came back to him, and so did his strength. So he killed them all, also killing himself. Killing more philistines than he ever did in life.

It was a story of a spiritual man with strength, having power over the carnal woman which Delilah was. Delilah admired his carnal strength but since she was carnal, didn’t want to marry him, she just wanted to have sex and power. Due to Samson probably having sex with her, maybe like Adam and Eve, Samson somehow brought Delilah to heaven with him, dying for his wife, taking her with him. But maybe not. Only Jesus Christ can judge that woman after the resurrection of the dead. But it means God gives evil freedom and a time limit.

>>18501626
Christians are molested at a far greater rate than atheists.
The bible says the earth is flat as well btw

>>18501626
>G-d
Shalom Moshe

The world is in a state of continuous purification. Obviously.

>>18501615
I guess you never let your kids fall down to learn how to get back up. Jesus said he is the good shepherd. Only an evil shepherd never lets his sheep have the kingdom, locked in their pens.

Everyone is given the chance to get closer to God’s protection where this can’t happen.

Psalm 103:17-18 (King James Version)

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children; To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

Which means everyone who fell into evil had a chance not to. Or like Jesus said, they were blinded at childbirth so that he could one day heal them.

We wouldn’t have men like Ray Charles become legends who were blinded and could show us his singing and music.

God created the World for His pleasure, and He rewarded them for worshiping Him and acknowledging Him in His Creation.

God cares about sparrows, and I witness that every day. So I know he cares much more for me who He made me in His own image.

To not acknowledge these truths is to be a demon. It’s in His Word, making you accountable that your ideas were already judged and thought about so that you would have nothing you can say. And indeed your fruit is basically Astro turf, because it isn’t really growing anymore, it is just funded by the same people promoting the same old ideas from nazi germany , and from what we can gather, it probably went on for much longer than this.

“Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.”
Luke 12:32 (KJV)

Evil’s freedom and time limit also has a restriction to it coming called Hell. Which is why Jesu Christ is the only key out of it, and the only way to use that key out of hell for the soul is to believe in Jesus Christ before you die, on his righteous shed blood on the cross, and on his name, on his 66 books of the kjv bible by King James. That He was the Only Son of God.

>>18501839
De Sade made something like a career out of pointing out that: "Sometimes I am sad, so it is okay for weasels to rip your flesh." is actually a very small w for Enlightenment.

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>why bad thing happen: child molestation redux
Why was Jesus crucified? It is kind of the central theme of the true religion Christianity, it doesn't matter how many times you spin it, the answer is the same.

When all this is over the pedo will be burning in hell while the child is with god, both will be looking back at their mortal life and its follies, the pedo with eternal horror, the child with eternal peace and understanding.

>>18501893
>Which means everyone who fell into evil had a chance not to. Or like Jesus said, they were blinded at childbirth so that he could one day heal them.
>
>We wouldn’t have men like Ray Charles become legends who were blinded and could show us his singing and music.

Ok so what about all the babies that are raped and killed or who live but don't go on to be the next Ray Charles? Also that means according to you Ray Charles did not have freewill which is another Christian contradiction.

>>18501909
Shooting up daycares and bombing maternity wards is therefore a good thing? The children go to heaven with eternal peace and understanding.

>>18501605
every child deserves abuse.

Child molestation isnt even the worst act on the world.

The chickens, cows and pigs on mass production farms get much worse treatment even though they live for a short time (thankfully).

>>18501931
If someone blows up a maternity ward and sends a hundred babies to heaven, would they be a martyr for making the truly ultimate sacrifice? Their own eternal damnation so that others would be guaranteed heaven?

>>18502024
Sounds like something a child molester would say

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>>18502024
Imagine being a broiler. You're born as a mini-hulk with genetics so fucked up your legs can easily break from holding an overmuscled body, and your cardiovascular health is so terrible you can have a heart attack and die from a sudden jumpscare. Breathing is never enough, your lungs can barely cope. You also possess a nidopallium in your central nervous system, which is a highly complex structure analogous to a mammalian cortex in many ways, meaning you are a fully conscious being who's subjectively experiencing this entire Cronenbergian existence.

>>18501612
That's not just pedophilia; it's child rape, infanticide, and murder. Yahweh, and Jesus by extension, condone all of this.

>>18501605
He would stop it if he could, but logic ties his hands sadly: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YKUhD7--LKw

>>18501608
>reeee move on already and stop pointing out our bullshit

>>18501632
how does 'possible' apply to an omnipotent god? why can't he create a world that only differs from this one in one aspect, say no child molestation, that would make it overall better?
be advised that there's no point to reply by positing more limitations of god. in particular it is outright barmy to claim that free will is better than no free will when it's gawd himself decreeing this while being able to decree otherwise.

>>18501909
What if the trauma causes the child to lose their faith in God?

>>18501909
>Why was Jesus crucified?
Now that's a question that's never been answered coherently.

>>18501909
>Why was Jesus crucified?
yes, that's another issue.

>>18501605
How come child molestation is somehow the greatest evil imaginable to normalfags?
Yeah sure, this 11yo girl getting fondled is obviously worse off than the guy who is being tortured for 72 hours straight.

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>>18502090
>How come child molestation is somehow the greatest evil imaginable to normalfags?

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>>18502090
>How come child molestation is somehow the greatest evil imaginable to normalfags?
>Yeah sure, this 11yo girl getting fondled is obviously worse off than the guy who is being tortured for 72 hours straight.

>>18501605
He probably enjoys watching it

>>18501605
Molesting someone or a child is a freewill choice that creates a karmic loop where the roles will be reversed in a future life. Not something some all-knowing spiritual creator is sitting back watching. Most people who get r*ped or molested even as a child were themselves child molesters in a past life, and now they're experiencing the other side of what they've done.

The word "God" is always just a nebulous placeholder for one's own personal subjective opinion, but extended infinitely. So however you wish the world was, or whatever you like, or whatever you don't want to talk about, conveniently the God just so happens to justify you being right about whatever details. So the Christians take it really personally when anyone else disagrees, or doesn't take them seriously. It doesn't help that it becomes an emotionally charged encounter, which means someone is going to be offended, which makes it into an ego crisis, then people start getting insulted and rude etc. It's like children bickering on a playground about made-up superheroes, or "my dad could beat up your dad".

>>18501605
Your way of life is the wrong one. Simple as.

>>18501626
It's been a wild ride watching bitter incels spend the past 10 years doing a hard 180 from being fedora atheists to this breed of Christian larper.

>>18502149
This is a particularly fucked up variety of victim blaming.
>hey kid sorry you got raped but you actually deserved it because of stuff you did in a past life lmao

>>18502090
Because you can imagine a scenario where the guy getting tortured has done something to deserve it. Adults are rarely completely blameless. On the other hand, there is no situation where a child is somehow to blame for being molested. It's a terrible thing happening to an innocent, a event with absolutely no positive or redeeming qualities and seemingly no reason why a just or loving god would permit it.

>>18502151
I too remember my 16 year old nihilist phase. I outgrew it at 19 and you will too.

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>>18502063
>b-b-but I wanted them to be FREE so they could CHOOSE to not molest children! Why wouldn't they choose not to do it?

>>18501605
this disproves all the "people good" leftard nonsense. people belong in cages, at least mental if not physical

>>18502179
repression repression repression, it's the only way to make a stable society. liberating evil IS evil

>>18502179
I'm a leftard and I don't think people are good

>>18501836
Plotinus was a pagan you idiot, he’s not someone a Christian should point to

>>18502178
>also I intentionally made them have an impulsive desire to molest children
>and gave them thinner prefrontal cortices so they would lack self-control
>and made them be born in a time and place where they would have ample opportunity to act on those impulses
>and made the children defenseless instead of giving them spikes or venomous coatings or whatever

>>18502029
According to Christianity, yeah. They damn themselves to hell forever to kill/save a hundred babies before they can sin and so immediately go to heaven. And so in turn perform the greatest act of charity, which means...

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>>18501605
The demiurge is the one who made the children's bodies so irresistibly sexually appealing. Blame that asshole.

>>18502151
>we are all disembodied selves and there is no objective truth ecks dee
Libshit propaganda.

>>18502213
>we are all disembodied selves
No that's what soultards believe. We are just bodies, the self is an illusion.

>>18502216
>self is an illusion
>except when I use it as a cudgel to apply perspectivism

>>18502205
What a surprise, the schizo is also a pedo.

>>18502225
Perspectives are independent from the existence of the self. It's just the way one thing relates to another, regardless of whether or not it could even have a self.

>>18502230
>Perspectives are independent from the existence of the self.
And what is having the perspective?

>>18502232
Magic ghost

>>18502232
>what is having the perspective
Whatever specific mass-bearing quantum system you refer to.

>>18501893
When shepherds see sheep fighting and/or trying to harm themselves or other sheep, they intervene and protect the flock and either deal with the violent sheep or correct its behavior and reintegrate it.
If Jesus is a shepherd of men, he should act like it.

>>18502234
>>18502248
This truly is a retard board.

>>18502188
>also I intentionally made them have an impulsive desire to molest children
Woah, self-report alert

>>18502452
Oh yeah there's that too, since god is omniscient, he also literally knows what it's like to be a pedo.

>>18502471
he does indeed have the knowledge of good and evil

>>18502043
>>18501612
Jew God btw. Christians might not admit it but they largely deny old testament is made up kike bs. Jesus being the good god they know makes more sense than the devil playing god in the old testament.

>>18501605
arent those rapes carried out by humans?

>>18502525
If God doesn't like rape why did he create humans?

>>18502525
why did god give man the capability to commit abhorrent crimes? was he retarded? is he secretly a twisted sadist?

>>18502598
le free will
trust the plan

>>18502598
>secretly

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>>18501605
This is why them using skydaddy lie a trump card is so stupid. God is not a person. He is not a single entity reacting like a guy at a switchboard. The closest God ever was to that was Jesus, and even he had limit.

>>18502690
>God is not a person.
then why does he have all these human emotions like anger or love

>>18502693
Language used to describe working cause and effect. Universal correction and oneness can describe those two terms as well.

>>18502598
God created a world in which billions of organisms must harm, kill and eat each other for survival. What do you think?

>>18502226
I thought I was making an obvious shitpost but I guess it's not obvious around here.

>>18501881
Christians get molested without realizing it. .

>>18502690
So he is not all-powerful? If not, he isn't deserving of worship at all.

>>18502920
Does the ant question the motivations of the rain? The forces of the universe will prevail whether you understand the motivation or not.

>>18502690
>The closest God ever was to that was Jesus
How would you know?

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>>18501605
>Xitter

>>18501615
Define "good" and "evil" from an atheist perspective.

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>>18501611
Zeus would have done that

>>18503374
Social constructs, but defining good and bad is a constant of human behavior that happens across every group given time. There is variance across but it's also based on some objective factors and instincts that all humans posses. You touch fire -> hand burns -> you hurt -> sticking hand in fire = bad. That sort of thing.

>>18501605
> Twatter
> Variation of "IF GOD REAL WHY BAD THING HAPPEN"

>>18503420
>Evil is a social construct
Thanks for playing.

>>18503428
Yes.

>>18503374
Raping babies=bad
Its not that hard lol

>>18503435
What makes it bad?

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>human chooses to do bad thing
>wtf why God do this!!

>>18503633
>God knows a human will do a bad thing, created them with the desire and opportunity to do it, and is able to instantly prevent it with no risk to himself
>wtf why would God have any responsibility in this

>>18503639
he gave us a choice and we fucked up. Pointing fingers at God rather than ourselves is part of the problem

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>>18502525

>>18503641
>it's YOUR fault you were given this capability and then misused it!
sigh...

>>18501605
God gave humans free will.

>>18503717
typical refusal of accountability, you're like a woman.

>>18503783
>young child finds parent's loaded handgun completely unsecured
>thinking it's a toy, they shoot sibling with it
>predictably, sibling dies instantly
according to your wonderful logic, the kid is at fault

>>18503874
according to your false equivalence "logic", child molestors are as naive and inculpable as the child they molested

>>18503874
are you a child?

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I expected this subject to die instantly bc you'd have more brains than the average redditor but no. I don't even know why I thought that. Seeing you little rats and your self-serving answers is disgusting. Be ashamed.

>>18503641
if you
>knew for a 100% certainty that Joe is about to commit child rape
>molded his mind until he developed the urge to commit child rape
>deliberately made his victim vulnerable to the child rape
>had a button in front of you labelled "stop Joe from doing child rape"
>and chose not to press it

then you would have partial, if not complete, blame for Joe doing the child rape

>>18503948
>it's God's fault I made the many bad decisions leading up to becoming a child rapist
Listen to yourself

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>>18503896
>I'm smart ur dumb

He has his system of justice guess the perp will burn.

>>18504068
for the 10,000th time: why did god give man the capability to do evil and then is not expected to have any culpability when they do evil acts? are you going to answer this time or are you going to dodge the question like you have the previous 9,999 times?

>>18501608
There are numerous arguments for a flat earth too. They just all happen to be retard babble. Like theoidiocies.

abrahamism was a mistake

>>18501605
God is callous and does not respect us humans. We are only toys of fate. Pieces on a board to be moved for the greater glory of God.

>>18504162
Might makes right.

Christians kind of set themselves up for a fall when they decided God was a benevolent hippie in the sky. Nearly all other religions, whether Jews or Muslims or Hindus or pagans believe/believed God or the gods are not necessarily always nice guys or non-vengeful.

>>18504162
Alright, we should have no free will at all then and just be mindless slaves, would you prefer that?

>>18504299
Book of Job is in the Jewish canon.

>>18504322
Why are you asking this question like christcucks wouldn't unironically prefer that?

>>18504333
Not an argument.

>>18504299
That's a modern development since the 60s, prior to boomers the idea of a vengeful god was always a thing.

>>18504229
>>18504322
>dodges the question
>again
can't say i'm surprised

>>18501619
Unusual ways

Is there free will in heaven? If so, why isn't there child rape in heaven too? If not, giving free will to child rape was both unnecessary and malicious of god.

>>18504404
You kinda stop being human in Heaven.

>>18504394
Because the question has been answered. QED

>>18504405
Does that mean you stop having free will, so it was unnecessary in the first place?

>>18504411
No, you still have free will but it's so perfect in there and you finally grasp the whole truth so nobody would ever want anything else.

>>18501605
This causes seethe only amongst non-spiritual people pretending to be spiritual.

Any truly spiritual person knows this illusory world is generated by the ego mind. That's why you see imperfection.

This world, full of imperfection, is what the mind MADE.

This is not what God CREATED.

God only creates what is like him, perfect.

You're deluded.
WAKE UP!

>>18504425
You're saying you can have free will without anyone wanting to child rape. That means free will can't be the reason for child rape.

>>18504436
Satan used free will to disobey God, as did the fallen angels who raped human women.

>>18504442
Fallen? So heaven is not perfect and you can just fall again?

>>18504442
>Satan used free will to disobey God,

I'm not a christkek by any means and they have thousands of books contradicting themselves at this point but god allows the devil to communicate with women and make pacts with them so they can do witchcraft.

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>>18501605
>I hate evil and want goodness instead.
>Therefore I will turn against Goodness itself and embrace Satan, that will show them!
Genius.

>>18503400
The demon Zeus would have done the raping.

Abrahamism is so fucking retarded it's become like capeshit, retards arguing about muh good and muh bad and muh satan and muh god like they're fucking superheroes LMAO

>>18504425
This. The human is deified after the resurrection.

>>18504436
Free rational creatures imply the *potential* for the abuse for free will and a Fall because they, being finite, cannot be fixed in an infinite Good at creation. The way in which a finite creature becomes a finite "moving image of eternity" is through a self-determining transcendence of its own finitude by going beyond current belief and desire in search of what is truly Good, True, and Beautiful. This is essential for theosis (something even Plato saw), but it opens the possibility of the misuse of the faculties and the corruption of the nous.

>>18502090
the next time you struggle with empathy just imagine the victim as your daughter
works 100% of the time

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>>18501605
God damns rapists to Hell. Leftoid atheists and Rightoid heretics literally elect the pedos to office and give them all their money for entertainment slop voluntarily.

Sorry, we Republic of Virtue now.

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>>18502693
The classical Christian position is that God is impassible and also unchanging (being outside time, or rather, time is inside God). Language about God's emotions is pedagogical and speaks to a deeper truth. God is never less than the creature. So any understanding, love, emotion, etc. man is capable of is more perfect in the sum and source of all perfections. But God is also infinitely beyond man, so this language is only analogical. That's why Christ, the Godman is necessary as a bridge.

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>>18501931
>>18502029
>>18502196
>This is your brain on utilitarianism.
Damn, that pretty demonic. I'll just be a good person and love God, thanks.

The greatest creature, more honorable than the Cherubim and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim was the Blessed Virgin, and she wasn't doing utilitarian calculations, but love and openness to the fullness of God.

>>18504394
Might makes right. Here. This is the answer to your question.

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>>18504162
>My parents got me a car so I could get to work, get married, and live a good life. But I used to to drive around drunk and high and ran down a child. So it's their fault for letting me use the car.

>>18504529
why are those misuses physically possible?

>>18504529
>My parents then proceeded to run over my 3 year old brother with their car and when I asked them why the fuck they did that, they said it's just part and parcel of existence and needed to happen for me to be able to drive my own car. Also it's apparently kinda my own fault because my great grandpa once didn't wear a seatbelt even though my parents told him to. That was a bit weird.

>>18504425
Why was God too impotent to make it t his way on Earth?

>>18505150
You're implying that it wasn't designed this way on purpose, as a testing ground of free will. That's the entire point

4chan really dose have too many redditors lately.

>>18505167
>testing ground
Why does God need that? Is he not omniscient?

>>18504529
>My parents got me a car, but they rigged the self-driving function to seek out the nearest child and run it over. They also had a remote control that could stop the car from doing that at any time, but they waited until after the kid was run over to press it. They also spiked my food with drugs and convinced me that running kids over is based.

>>18505169
psst, religiotards don't connect 'testing' with 'finding out what one doesn't yet know'.

>>18504484
gawd's power seems to be diminishing, from creating the entire world, through killing everyone but Noah and the floating zoo and resurrecting a bunch of people at once, all the way to helping find one's car keys and appearing on toast, all the while dodging regrowing limbs, although that may be the christards' fault, since they don't pray for it.

it's strange how people want to hold God accountable for the bad things that happen but when they create life themselves they don't feel accountable, if a child gets raped it's fault of the people who created the child that could be hurt and also creating the rapist that could do it.

>>18505392
When a child gets raped it's God's fault for letting this happen if he (i) knows it will happen, (ii) thinks it's evil, (iii) hates evil and (iv) could stop it from happening for negligible effort.

>>18505399
well people know these things happen yet they choose to take a risk even though they could prevent it, is that not evil?