Why haven't finns ever tried to fight back against swedes when they raped and colonized them for 800+ years? Normal nations have at least some track record of resistance but finns were never shown any resemblance of a backbone. This is in contrasted to the behaviour of fennoswedes who were always politically active and engaged in large scale terrorism when they were threatened. Finnish impotence is evidenced by the fact that the Finnish Party never had a finnish leader and the finnish language only gained an official status by 1902 and it was mainly thanks to Russia anyway. I don't think Finnish nation even wants exists since all of it's actions were purely suicidal. Before you mention muh winter war I say that it was waged to defend swedish interests and the karelian refugees were literally banned from settling in swedish areas so it's just another evidence that finns care more about swedish interests than their own
>>18502148>pakkorusi:D
>>18502148Finns also sucked Russian dick till Tsar Nicholas II acted retarded and tried to take their privileges away.
>>18502163The only country Finland ever fought is the one that created them lol
>>18502673>Finns also sucked Russian dick till Tsar Nicholas II acted retarded and tried to take their privileges away.No that's completely wrong swedish interpretation of history. Nicholas 2 took SWEDISH privileges away and swedes started killing people, finns got more rights during that period because finnish language became official in 1902 and Bobrikov redistributed land to the poor. Oppressing finns was fine as long as you don't try to take power from the swedes because they'll rally finns against you and since finns have no agency they'll actions are determined by what swedes tell to think. Also there was never a time when finns "sucked Russia's dick". They've literally built statues to whitewash and celebrate those who fought against Russia in the Finnish War of 1800. >https://www.visitlapua.fi/en/battle-of-lapua-memorial/It's like if West Germany started putting statues for heroes of wermacht who bravely fought for their race while still being in NATO and such. I could talk about this a lot but that's not the prompt I wanted to have. My question is why finns have never acted against swedes no matter what oppression and humiliation they put them through.
>>18502148My guess is that its because the fennoswedes use anti-Russian sentiment as a distraction and use the media to whitewash Swedish oppression by saying it was actually good.The fennoswedes and their collaborators are the real power behind "independent" Finland, which is probably independent only because the fennoswede elites thought that having such a state is more useful than being under Russian rule.It's kind of sad thinking about this, especially because the fennoswedes duped so many Finnish men to die in the Continuation War and for what? So that fennoswede oligarchs could get all the conquered land and wealth anyway.We had some nationalist movements here who knew of this but were not successful in liberating our state and granting us true independence.
>>18502729>We had some nationalist movements here who knew of this but were not successful in liberating our state and granting us true independenceNot to be a smartass but just a quick look at wikipedia exposes Siniristi for being a svecoman garbage so you'll should have used a better image. >Siniristi (Finnish: Blue Cross, until 1933 Tapparamies, (Finnish: the Axman)) was a Finnish Nazi magazine published between 1931 and 1939 and published by Publishing Company Oy Vasara that was operated by Gunnar von Hertzen and Y. W. Jalander. Its material consisted mainly of anti-Semitic propaganda adopted from Nazi Germany. The authors of the magazine included the well-known Finnish-Swedish Nazi Thorvald Oljemark.[1]>The Finnish People's Organisation (Finnish: Suomen Kansan Järjestö, SKJ) (Swedish: Finlands Folkorganisation, FFO) was a bilingual Nazi party founded by Jaeger Captain Arvi KalstaSo the "nationalist" movements you refer to is the same swedish garbage that needs to be removed. There were some examples like Ensio Uoti who were aware of the swedish issue but they were a small minority in an already small group of nazis because nazism espouses aryan supremacy which swedes were a huge fans of. The only people who ever challenged svecoman rule were Snellman and Yrjö-Koskinen (prev Forsman) but both of them were literal swedes and they were supported by the tsar. Once the Russia left the Finnish Party got immediately dissoluted and swedes were left to rule uncontested.
>>18502680"Russification"
>>18502148Cite examples of Swedish oppression in Finland other than having to learn it in school.
>>18502702>>18502148Because the Finnish identity largely did not exist during the time it was 'eastern Sweden'.The idea of nationalism and nation did not begin until the 19th century (late 18th century in some cases but Scandinavia almost always lagged behind).Finns were merely just subjects of the crown and the local nobility largely kept its own traditions across the Swedish empire. For example serfdom was illegal in Sweden proper but 'legal' in Swedish Baltics because such were the ways there and the crown didnt interfere.Finnish identity started to take root under Russian rule, but as other anons have pointed out Russia were quick to give them very liberal autonomy compared to the rest of the Tsarist empire./Swede
>>18502894>picFirst finnish speaking school was established in 1858 >Cite examples of Swedish oppression in Finland other than having to learn it in school.People being murdered and forced to die for swedish interests. Religion and culture being completely destroyed and supplanted by swedish one. Finland having no autonomy and being treated like a swedish province. During the autonomy people had no right to vote and swedish was the only official language up until 1902. Swedish party is included into every government and people's taxpayer money is being stolen and given to swedish lobbyist groups like Folktinget who's only goal is to oppress finnish people. Finland being essentially an apartheid state where swedes are given preferential treatment in every aspect of the life and these luxuries coming out of the pocket of the people they consider subhuman (see Axel Olof Freudenthal)
>>18502148They liked it.
Maybe the swedes didn't really interfere enough with daily life for them to care and so they became apathetic to it. It's one thing to live as a second class citizen in a country who only allows you to live in an urban area, it's another when you're homesteading with your bros in the swamp. Alternatively, maybe they saw themselves as culturally distinct but ethnically similar enough to prefer merging, Surely finns associate with their nordic roots more than their asiatic ones? Kindo of like how paler latinas in america associate more with whites than other latin-american or mestizos, even though they don't consider themselves white. And as others have stated this sentiment would make them fear russian rule.
>>18502918>People being murderedKek what?> forced to die for swedish interests.You mean the kings interest.The term "swedish" was barely defined at the time. Even less during the time modern Finland became a part of the crown.>Religion and culture being completely destroyed and supplanted by swedish oneSweden itself was still semi-pagan (transition phase, pagan ways mixed with chrisitan) by the time the crusades to Finland began. It was part of a greater christianization of the north. And it wasnt some sort of attempt to 'nationalize' Finland like you seem to be insinuating because the idea of a nation did not exist. The crown and the church wanted to expand their influence. During the time of Birger Jarl the idea of a Swedish state absolutely did not exist.>Finland having no autonomy and being treated like a swedish province.So like 99% of the rest of the realm then.>During the autonomy people had no right to voteTell me who had the right to vote. >swedish was the only official language up until 1902This is a lie. Finnish was used in the realm, especially when it converted to protestantism and bibles were translated into Finnish (and Swedish). >Swedish party is included into every government and people's taxpayer money is being stolen and given to swedish lobbyist groups like Folktinget who's only goal is to oppress finnish people.Not sure if serious or baiting. Smells like ruskie propaganda..
>>18502939By the time "citizen" as an understanding had developed, Sweden had lost Finland to Russia.So it's kinda hard for Finns to be "second-class citizens".They were peasant subjects to the crown, just like 99% of the remaining non-finnish population.
>>18502148I assume you're the same guy who keeps posting this stuff on /int/ and I have to ask, why are you so obsessed about this topic?
>>18502944If you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute then don't bother replying.
>>18502954I'm trying to understand the psychology of the people in this country because it's not a behaviour that you can see in any other nation.
>>18502957Real Finns are more concerned with Russians and Mohammeds thanthose handful of Swedish-speaking villages in Österbotten.I'm guessing your name is Pyotr
>>18502957Hating fennoswedes is self-hating so makes sense most finns don't bother.
>>18502964I don't have any respect for finns so I don't really care . I'm trying to understand WHY they are the way they are >>18502971I think finns being swedish rapebabies would explain a lot, after all if your dad is a rapist and your mom was raped you would identify with the rapist since he's a conqueror and alpha. The same thing happens with indians where they got buckbroken by aryans and rewrote history and claimed they were the aryans and not the ones buckbroken. I haven't done enough research on the subject though so I don't know what amount of finns have actually swedish blood and google shows nothing on the subject
>>18502983N-Z1941 is a finno-ugric haplogroup, fennoswedes carrying it shows they are language switching finns.
>>18502148
>>18502729>swedes
>>18503038>swedes weren't considered white in america>source: this one guy's rant in a letterI'm gonna print fliers that say "anglos aren't white" and put them in a time capsule. mouth breathing "historians" from the future will assume it was the common view of our time
I was in Finland last year, doing some work, and it was interesting seeing the Russian influence about (and even some of the weirdness in light of recent events).I remember being the the talk of the day in office, when they'd removed the Tsarina's Stone from the obelisk; or when news talked about Russia, occasionally showing at the articles the Orthodox Cathedral, in Katajanokka.
>>18503047To be fair, Benjamin Franklin considered anglos white but not swedes.>And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
>>18503063>>18503047Sorry Sven, you are not white
Still infintely preferable to Russian rule.
>>18503078Funny because the guy who organised gulags in Karelia was Swede
>>18502957No you're not. You're trying to spin a narrative of Russian benevolence.Sic semper tyrannis.
>>18503078>My nation is so impotent that I must force my children a foreign language and constantly humiliate myself or else le heckin russia will conquer usThis is so childish
>>18503084>a foreign languageIt can't be foreing if it has been spoken there for over a millenia now.>constantly humiliate myselfCite examples of this.
>>18503083>swede murders a guy who turned finnish into official language and redistributed land to the poor and the finns celebrate it What causes this? Why haven't any Finns done the same to swedes when swedes were and are still doing much worse things to this day? Not that I think terrorism is ever acceptable but I wonder why swedes were ready to commit atrocities and why it is celebrated by the people who got the short end of the stick.
>>18503088>It can't be foreing if it has been spoken there for over a millenia now.It can. >Cite examples of this.Already did but you're too retarded to engage with anything so anything I say will fly over your empty head and you'll go on to repeat the same kinds of messages every time despite being proven wrong time and time again.
To clarify If you wanna debate me on post 1800 finland and other popular talking points I could do that but I already did it so many times. I want to explore the situation before 1809 and the Finnish resistance to swedish genocide (or lack thereof) since unlike the "russification" myth I haven't debated this topic and don't know where to start my research
>>18502148https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cudgel_War
>>18503088Having your the elites of your "independent" nation be foreigners who look down on you, use you as cannon fodder and see you as inferior is humiliation. Having your countrymen live in homelessness and destitute while foreign occupiers impose conscription, austerity and neoliberalism is humiliation.At this point anyone who will not address the fact that our state is in the hands of a hostile foreign "Bättre Folk" is a traitor golem slave who deserves their own chains.
>>18502957I guess you could call it Stockhold Syndrome. Literally.>>18502964Who is the one who let the Mohammeds? Who is the one imposing multiculturalism while living in 95% homogeneous communities? Who is the foreign occupier controlling my country's wealth while openly calling themselves "Bättre Folk" and imposing increasingly shit living conditions on my country?>>18502983Sad to say but you are right about the buckbreaking point. It's pathetic how many supposedly "patriotic" Finns will defend having foreigners in control of power and wealth that should be in the hands of actual Finns because "muh Russia".>>18503083Ah yes if you dare point out any single positive aspect of Russian rule, then you must think Russia was overall benevolent. Retarded thinking.>>18503088By that logic if Russia got to invade Finland before Sweden and imposed Russian language, then it wouldn't be foreign because it would have been spoken here for centuries.
>>18503148What foreigners? Do you even know the origin of the Adlercreutzes?
>>18502918>First finnish speaking school was established in 1858Schools had existed in Finland for over a century before that, the primary teaching language of which had been Finnish. Russian was later made into a mandatory language in Finnish schools under Russian rule.
>>18502918>Finland being essentially an apartheid state where swedes are given preferential treatment in every aspect of the life and these luxuries coming out of the pocket of the people they consider subhumanYou do realize that the average Swedish speaking peasant in Bothnia was just a piss poor as a Finnish speaking one?
>>18503102>swedish genocideWhen did this happen.
>>18503155>It's pathetic how many supposedly "patriotic" Finns will defend having foreigners in control of power and wealth that should be in the hands of actual Finns because "muh Russia".The thing that put me over the edge was a short clip of keskisarja where he yelled in swedish about how much a threat "mandatory english" is and how mandatory swedish is good and patriotic actually. I couldn't fathom how anyone could come up with this worldview since 70% of the population opposes everything swedes stand for and I haven't met anyone holding these beliefs irl. But if you look at the ruling class each one of them is a vehement svecoman for some reason. I think they are either pressured by organisations like Folktinget or they genuinely hate finnish people and once they get power they want to embrace the superior culture or something. >>18503229This has nothing to do with much privilege a certain group has. Some guy being poor doesn't change the fact that his ethnic group is overrepresented in politics and the state puts his nation above the rest. Also fennoswedes are wealthier on average so that's not even true >>18503231During the crusades.
>>18502148My town has a monument to guys who killed 12 Swedes when they first started colonising Finland. In response 160 Swedish soldiers were sent just to kill the 30 people who tried to resist...
>>18503260>70% of the population opposes everything swedes stand forWhat do you actually mean by this? This may surprise you but most Finns are not actually anti-Swedish ethnonationalists.
>>18503148>>18503155>Bättre FolkDo you actually have any evidence of this vitriolic hatred all Swedes have torwards Finnd other than shitposting?
>>18503125The Cudgel War was not a revolt against Swedish rule inandof itself but against a claimant to the Swedish throne on favor of another claimant.
>>18503155>Who is the one who let the Mohammeds? The Jews.>Who is the one imposing multiculturalism while living in 95% homogeneous communities? Swedish communities are not exempt from this
Mandatory Swedish lessons were introduced in the 1960s as a way to form closer ties with the other Nordic Countries in hopes od distancing from the Soviet Union.
>>18503370>What do you actually mean by this?Around 70% doesn't want mandatory swedish but 100% of major political parties endorse mandatory swedish and allow swedish anti-finnish ethnonationalist party in their government
>>18503478You know there's more to Sweden than the Swedish language.
>>18503478What ethnonationalist? Finland records marriage stats by first language, they intermarry with Finnish speakers more often than their own>Swe/Swe speaking marriages in 2025 (excluding gays) 580>Fi/Swe speaking marriages in 2025 (excluding gays) 659Look at the somali stats if you want to see ethnonationalists
>>18503535>What ethnonationalist?I think the following quote is pretty ethnonationalist >The Finns, who had not proved themselves intelligent enough to become the advocates of civilization, could safely remain peasants, while the most sacred pursuits of mankind [the promotion of culture] were to be left to the more powerful nations; such had been and still were the nations of the Indo-Germanic race.
>>18503577Benjamin Franklin said Swedes were primarily of swarthy complexion and only Anglos were white but that didn't make America an anglo ethnostate and there is no Swedish ethnostate in Finland regardless of whoever said that quote.
>>18503586>Benjamin FranklinRetarded whataboutism >there is no Swedish ethnostate in FinlandWhat's Ahvenanmaa>regardless of whoever said that quoteIt was said by a founder of the Swedish Party who's still worshipped by the swedes. Until party purges itself and publicly denounces Freudenthal I will continue to assume RKP to be an anti-finnish ethnonationalist party no matter how much you cry about it.
>>18503593>whataboutismBenjamin Franklin is an infinitely more important figure than some random fennoswede.>What's AhvenanmaaIrrelevant island with population of 30 000, with a steadily decreasing proportion of first language Swedish speakers just like everywhere else.>ree denounce this irrelevant fuckYou exhibit hysterical left-wing behaviour, ritualistic and worthless denounciations of boogeymen are mainstay in communist parties. A party that promotes liberal immigration policies can't be ethnonationalist and a linguistic group that outmarries more often than not can't be ethnonationalist. Words don't matter.
>>18502148And now the Swedes allow themselves to get fucked by foreign invaders. Sweden is twenty percent foreign born now. There are “no go zones” in Sweden because of stupid white people who didn’t listen to the demographic experts who warned them about this shit decades in advance.There is no more pathetic race than the white man. They gave the world everything and then they just allowed themselves to get raped out of existence by their inferiors—who they uplifted.
>>18503622>Calls the father of the Swedish Party some random fennoswede. Asking swedes why they worship a guy who hated finns and caused this country great deal of damage "hysterical left-wing behavior" >Presents irrelevant cherry-picked data that doesn't prove the thing he thinks it proves>Moves the goalpost>Whataboutism about ben franklin as if usa is an apartheid state where 5% anglos oppress everyone else You're not doing a good. Not that it matters anyway since swedes never had to rely on arguments since the truth isn't on your side which is why the only option the swede has left is sophism, pressure and violence. You cannot make a convincing argument as to why anti-finnish ethnonalist party should be allowed to stay in charge or why children should be raped and humiliated by 7+ years of mandatory swedish
>>18503663>good*good job
>>18503663>Asking swedesNeither SPP or fennoswedes are real swedes and trivial denunciations remain hysterical left-wing behaviour.>Presents irrelevant cherry-picked data that doesn't prove the thing he thinks it provesToo retarded to read three-figure numbers, doesn't understand the meaning of ethnonationalism. Double digit IQ nigger.>Moves the goalpostNo.>Whataboutism about ben franklin as if usa is an apartheid state where 5% anglos oppress everyone else The point is that it isn't and neither is Finland. You won't get it though, nigger.
>>18503682>trivial denunciationsI don't think it should stop at denunciations. Swedes must pay reparations and be integrated after letting go of their hate and entitlement. Those who pose a national security risk should be deported back to sweden. The current status quo is not acceptable and democracy cannot function until the swedish problem has been solved. In democracy people should vote based off their political opinions, but if the country is divided amongst the sectarian lines you have swedes voting for their own group against everyone else and that party's only goal is to plunder the country's budget and give it to swedes. Now you have to make an argument in favor of RKP staying in every goverment and mandatory swedish being enforced against majority's wishes. If you do that I'll be willing to engage with you. If you don't you'll expose yourself as a sniveling bitch who's not ready to take a stance because you know your position is indefensible
>>18503663>children should be raped and humiliated by 7+ years of mandatory swedishMost Finns aren't this bitter about their Swedish lessons. Is this personal for you? Did you have a mean teacher? Were you denied swussy?
>>18503702You're too low IQ to comprehend that nothing you say is relevant or true.If you weren't a nigger you would proceed from the following true premises: >Fennoswedes are not ethnonationalist (outmarriages with first language Finnish speakers outnumber marriages to Swedish speakers)>SPP is not ethnonationalist (advocates of mass immigration)>Somalis are ethnonationalist (marriage patterns)>Arabs are ethnonationalist (marriage patterns)>Pakistanis are ethnonationalist (marriage patterns)>No political party in Finland is ethnonationalist
>>18503702>hate and entitlementPlease cite examples of this in the current year. Prove that this is widespread and accepted within the Swedish speaking community of Finland.
>>18503718>>Fennoswedes are not ethnonationalist (outmarriages with first language Finnish speakers outnumber marriages to Swedish speakers)This is a non sequitur. Ethnonationalism is a political or ideological position about nationhood, ethnicity, language, and state organization. Marriage choices are not a direct measure of political ideology.Given that Swedish speakers are only about 5% of Finland's population, that would actually suggest a very strong tendency toward marrying within the language group, not random mixing.The Swedish-speaking population in Finland is only about 5% of the population. Because Finnish speakers vastly outnumber Swedish speakers, a Swedish speaker has many more opportunities to meet and marry a Finnish speaker than another Swedish speaker. If 95% of potential partners are Finnish-speaking, and 5% are Swedish-speaking, then even a strong preference for Swedish-speaking partners can still produce many mixed marriages. The relevant question is not the raw number of mixed marriages versus same language marriages. The relevant question would be whether Swedish speakers marry each other more often than expected by chance, given the population distribution.>>SPP is not ethnonationalist (advocates of mass immigration)Another non-sequitur. They don't advocate for mass immigration into the swedish areas, they advocate for immigration into the finnish areas so that finns would be divided and distracted and more easily controlled. Since swedes are scandinavian jews it would be expected that they would behave the same way >Somalis are ethnonationalist (marriage patterns) Whataboutism. None of them try to force their language and religion onto me>>No political party in Finland is ethnonationalistThe one who's founder said that Finns are inferior and must submit to the superior germanic race is. >>18503719Forcing mandatory swedish and worshiping Freudenthal is adequate proof of both. >Prove that this is widespreadVoting patterns.
>>18503260Keskisarja and PS in general are fake patriots who act as literal orcish troglodytes for the Bättre Folk and globalist neoliberalism.>>18503380I am not talking about normal Swedes living in Sweden, though they also see us as backwards and inferior. I am talking about the rich nepo baby elite caste that rules over us,The fact that they invaded in a literal Crusade and declared our traditional faith to be Satanic is proof enough. The fact that they still impose humiliation rituals on us is proof enough. The fact that they sent Finnish men to die in the Eastern Front in WW2 is proof enough.>>18503478Any political party that allows the existence anti-Finnish foreigner party is not on the side of Finland and never was. They might just as well do a coalition with an Islamic sharia party.>>18503718Probably just a Fennoswede man taking a Finnish woman as a means of humiliation ritual and conquest.I just wish the Fennoswedes were more honest and made some slave state with themselves as the clear "aristocracy" instead of having this nepo baby fake nationalism. I saw some Fennoswedes even complaining about "waah there is prejudice against us", it's just as ridiculous as some Roman patrician complaining that his slaves don't like him.
>>18503773>us>ourWho do you think you're fooling?
>>18503749>Given that Swedish speakers are only about 5% of Finland's population, that would actually suggest a very strong tendency toward marrying within the language group, not random mixing.Another double digit IQ premise given that they're not spread evenly across Finland but concentrated in certain regions that are up to 90% Swedish speaking. Even without taking that into account an ethnonationalist group does not have an outmarriage rate of >50% anywhere on the planet. >They don't advocate for mass immigration into the swedish areasWrong. The number of immigrants in western Uusimaa and Swedish-Speaking Ostrobothnia has increased by triple digit percentages over the last few decades.> Whataboutism. None of them try to force their language and religion onto meThey do, you're just too slow to notice.> The one who's founder said that Finns are inferior and must submit to the superior germanic race isNot ethnonationalist, advocate mass immigration including to Swedish speaking regions, MP's including Adlercreutz himself also have Finnish ancestry
>>18503773>The fact that they sent Finnish men to die in the Eastern Front in WW2 is proof enoughgetting a bit too obvious there tovarich
>>18503781Let me guess? Anyone that even dares to criticize Fennoswdes is "muh Russian agent"?This mentality is why Finland is in the hands of a hostile neoliberal elite, why we are being humiliated by our own "nation-state". Congratulations on being a shabbos goy for people that see you as an inferior subhuman and doing it for free.
>>18503795Ah yes, because dying in the Eastern Front just so that a fennoswede plutocrat can have even more land and wealth is the height of patriotism.Because no matter what they do to Finland, "at least they aren't Russian :DDDD"You are no better than an Anglo going "At least we are not speaking German uwu"
>>18503796>people that see you as an inferior subhumanCite examples of Fennoswedes doing this in current year..
>>18503796You're not an agent because you're doing it for free.
>>18503799>You are no better than an Anglo going "At least we are not speaking German uwu"Not so, anglos and germans are about equal options but joining Russia is like joining Somalia.
>>18503802The clearest example is that they hold power and still use it to maintain the system of anti-Finnish humiliation.
>>18503818When have I said anything about joining Russia or even anything pro-Russian?
>>18503799Finns in Finland still exist.Karelians and Finns in Karelia don't.
>>18503819>anti-Finnish humiliationCite examples of this.
>>18502148Because Swedish rule in Finland wasn't any worse than Swedish rule in Sweden.
>>18503822>dying in the Eastern Front just so that a fennoswede plutocrat can have even more land and wealthExtremely russophilic and Otto-Willepilled take
>>18503822In the opening post and multiple times in this thread you disingenuous faggot
>>18503773>The fact that they sent Finnish men to die in the Eastern Front in WW2 is proof enough.Swedish-speakers also died on the Eastern Front.
>>18503831Anything other than full FINNISH control of the Finnish state and non-state power structures and Finnish wealth is humiliation. This is basic nationalism 101. This is common sense to literally any and all true patriots.
>>18503773>declared our traditional faith to be SatanicThis happened in Sweden as well.
>>18503899Cite examples of Finnish state and non-state power and wealth not being in the hands of Finnish people.
>>18503917https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Democratic_Republic
>>18503917https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Finland
>>18503917https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ano_Turtiainen
>Sweden is twenty percent foreign born nowIs this actually true
>>18504400That is true for basically all European countries desu
>>18504400>>18504414The EU punished countries for not taking in more immigrants kek.
>>18503997>The patriotic Fennoswede>>18503935>>18504008>The collaborationist true FinnsMany such cases
>>18502148>Why haven't finns ever tried to fight back against swedesThey tried once, they lost
>>18504847it's a shame some of those commie Finns managed to escape to America they all should have been slaughtered.
>>18504847Sometimes I come to this conclusion as well. Just look at the names of the commanders of the Finnish Red leaders, actual Finnish names instead of Swedish. Also socialist countries tend to become more nationalist over time, so that could have happened in Red Finland. I also wonder if the line "Red Finland would have become a part of the USSR" is just bs at this point.
>>18502163If the finns won the war, then why is Vyborg a Russian city?
Julius evola wrote in the myth of blood that finns were the most slave like out of all the white nations, I wondered why at the time and now i guess I know. Kinda hot desu, do finns enjoy being slaves to other whites, is it because you're all shy introverts?
>>18502148>Why haven't finns ever tried to fight back against swedes when they raped and colonized them for 800+ years?because ainns are blacks
>>18504848they should stay and work with swedes instead so they could make finland black faster>>18504849I kind of wish that Stalin was little more greedy and expansionist and created more red states, having one best Korea is not enough, imagine red spurdo memes, red sinkang, machuria and tibet(all independent of china) would be neat tooanyway, yeah I agree with you, the red states used to be more nationalist and sovereign than they are now after ''liberation''
>>18504850Finland maintained its independence.
>>18504849>>18504853https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
>>18504849>I also wonder if the line "Red Finland would have become a part of the USSR" is just bs at this point.That or a satellite state. Same difference.
>>18504859>Russians start purging foreign revolutionary elements>that is somewhat badExactly as he said. Red countries become more nationalistic and crush hostile elements. Red Finland would remove swedes and become truly autistic.>>18504863Mongolia was never part of USSR, same for Warsaw pact countries so there is high chance that it would be satellite state and honestly soviet satellites have much more sovereignty and where less micromanaged than current EU countries
>>18502148Go home ivan, youre drunk.
>>18504847Marxism is a Jewish ideology the goal of which is the enslavement and replacement of the white race. You are demented if you think Judeo Marxism is going to save white nations from Judeo Liberalism.
>>18504866>>Russians start purging foreign revolutionary elements>foreignKarelians and Finns are not foreign to Karelia.
>>18504882Capitalism can't save white race. Its jewish economic system with the goal of total destruction of any race that engage with it. And communism did better job at preserving white race(lmao) than capitalism ever did.You are demented if you think capitalism(no need to add judeo, all capitalism is jewish by definition) isn't the root of all white race problems.>>18504886They are now.
>>18504886They are if you function on the logic that Swedish Finns are foreigners to Finland.
>>18504890>Capitalism can't save white race.I never said so.>Its jewish economic system with the goal of total destruction of any race that engage with it. That's what I said. What part of "Judeo Liberalism" did you not understand?You don't even read the posts you're replying to do you?
Finns and Swedes and Fennoswedes are some of the whitest people on the planet and inflaming needless shitflinging between them is a part of the problem. Slavs are the negores of Europe.This thread is spiritually amerimutt.
>>18504902America is the Whitest country in history, the low minded spirit mutt is you.
>>18504882>the goal of which is the enslavement and replacement of the white racetake your meds
>>18504899Nope. Get fucked
>>18504886>Karelians and Finns are not foreign to Karelia.Karelia was stolen from Russia and forcibly swedefied so the karelians and finns living there are not native either >https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karjalan_v%C3%A4est%C3%B6muutos_1600-luvulla
>>18505087>The population change in Karelia in the 17th century occurred after Sweden gained control of the entire Käkisalmi County in the Peace of Stolbova in 1617. During Swedish rule in the 17th century, most of the region's Orthodox native population fled to Russia. The population moved in mainly from Savo and Vyborg Karelia, which had previously belonged to Sweden.So Orthodox Karelians fled and were replaced by Lutheran Karelians and some other Finns... you call that Swedification?Also you shit so much of Sweden for forcing Finns into Christianity yet don't seem to have a problem with Russia doing it??
>All nationalist controversy is at the debating-society level. It is always entirely inconclusive, since each contestant invariably believes himself to have won the victory. Some nationalists are not far from schizophrenia, living quite happily amid dreams of power and conquest which have no connexion with the physical world.From "Notes on Nationalism"
>>18504890>They are now.It's starting to sound like what you consider foreign and native is completely arbitrary.
>>18505118finns are asiatics, they should be in asia
>>18503038Swedes were the ones who started the whole Asiatic Fingol memes because they were competing for the same jobs in the US.
>>18505112>So Orthodox Karelians fled and were replaced by Lutheran Karelians and some other Finns... you call that Swedification?Natives being replaced by swedefied lapdogs is indeed swedification, as the land became more swedish than it was before>Also you shit so much of Sweden for forcing Finns into Christianity yet don't seem to have a problem with Russia doing it??Different countries had different policies and orthodoxy was generally more lenient that swedish practice of cultural annihiliation. >The tietdjd assimilated Christian figures, images and even maintained Christian kalevalaic epics. The institution's social functions and performative aspects presumably also adapted to these processes of change.v' Following the Reformation, kalevalaic poetry traditions were aggressively displaced in Finland, and the mythology and tietaja-institution broke down. Orthodox regions (Russian Karelia and Ingria) were more· tolerant, and from:'·theperspectlve'oi~-Russra~ -Kareiii'- was a wilderness like Siberia, to which people fled from secular and religious prosecution.
>>18503380https://www.hs.fi/kuukausiliite/art-2000007784431.htmlRKP:n poliitikko, professori ja entinen ministeri Nils Meinander antoi Helsingin Sanomille vuonna 1984 haastattelun, jossa hän kuvasi asenteita 1930-luvulla:”Kyllä me ruotsinkieliset siihen aikaan pidimme suomalaisia alempana rotuna ja itseämme huonompina. Kielirajan yli ei juurikaan ollut kanssakäymistä, ja avioituminen suomenkielisen kanssa oli munaus. Omaa paremmuuttamme perustelimme rotuopein. On myönnettävä, että niin minäkin ajattelin ainakin alitajuisesti, kun opiskeluaikana jouduin edustamaan omaa kieliryhmääni ylioppilaskunnan talousvaliokunnassa. Suomalaiset olivat jotenkin toisenlaisia.”--------RKP politician, professor and former minister Nils Meinander gave an interview to Helsingin Sanomat in 1984, in which he described attitudes in the 1930s:“Yes, we Swedish speakers at that time considered Finns an inferior race and inferior to ourselves. There was hardly any interaction across the language barrier, and marrying a Finnish speaker was considered as a blunder. We justified our own superiority with racial doctrines. I have to admit that I thought that way too, at least subconsciously, when during my studies I had to represent my own language group on the student union’s financial committee. Finns were somehow different.”
>>18505155>speaking in past tense Apologies. I was asking for evidence of this in modern times. My mistake. An admission of past guilt won't do.
>>18505148>Natives being replaced by swedefied lapdogsYou mean Russified lapdogs being replaced by Swedified lapdogs.>Different countries had different policies and orthodoxy was generally more lenient that swedish practice of cultural annihiliation.Assimilation is still colonization. You win no points. Orthodoxy is as alien to Karelia as Catholicism/Lutheranism is to Finns. And Karelians were annihilated by the Russians later anyways, making them into a token minority in their own country with zero prospects of ever revitalizing.
>>18505148>swedish practice of cultural annihiliation.Finnish culture still exists. Karelian doesn't.
>>18505148>>18505311Syncretism existed under Swedish rule as well
