Why did America commit such a heinous crime against the Japanese people?
firebombing was infinitely worsenot sure why people get so vexed about people being instantly, painlessly vaporized but screaming in burning agony and terror for minutes on end before passing out from pain and never waking back up is a okayif anything we should give nuclear weapons the nobel peace prize
>>18502264Should’ve dropped it on Moscow instead
>>18502271This people don't look at it from the perspective of the time. It was already the norm to drop a gorillion smaller bombs, nukes just turned it into a single package. You can argue against it if you think it's fucked up to just bomb cities in general, that's fine, but it makes no sense to single out nukes as being unique when they were at the same time doing the same shit to level cities with regular bombs and causing even more death.
It had little to do with the Japanese. The Americans wanted to show off their shiny new toy to Stalin to discourage him from invading Hokkaido.
>>18502303And why couldn’t Stalin invade Hokkaido? Who gave Yankees the right to be world police?
>>18502324Might makes right
>>18502330Your founding fathers rejected that aphorism, retard
>>18502324Because the American message from Hiroshima and Nagasaki was clear. "If you invade Hokkaido and we end up in conflict, these bombs will also fall on Moscow".
>>18502271>painlessly vaporized Lmao that's not how nukes work. They kill through burns and radiation poisoning
>>18502331Did they not use might during the whole founding thing? And created a slave state?
>>18502271Actual retard post. You think dying from third degree burns and radiation poisoning is painless?Is this really what they teach in American schools so they don't feel guilty?
>>18502271Nuclear weapons kill through several stages. Only the very first stage (immediate heat) is an instant death. The next stage is the blast wave that ruptures bodies causing internal organ failure and bleeding. After that, the ionizing radiation which burns off skin and cause a gradual death lasting months to decades. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were basically nuke-prototypes and even their aftereffects were still killing thousands as late as the 1970s.
>>18502271>painlessly vaporizedYeah I'm sure it's just like my hecking PG-13 Looney Tunes comics!!
>>18502264UNITEDSTATES' RULING STRATVM IS FREEMASONIC; FREEMASONS ARE JUDAICAL PUPPETS; JUDAISTS ARE SATAN'S CHOSEN PEOPLE.
>>18502271Countless people 'survived' the nukes with their skin burned off and body disfigured beyond recognition. Of course they didn't live long, usually just a few months. But there were also some who slowly died over decades in a kind of inhuman vegetable state
>>18502271That's not how nuclear weapons work. Although it's true some people die instantly from the extreme heat causing their nervous system's failure, the real mechanism of nuclear weapons is to spread cancer, radiation sickness, and organ failure to as large a population as possible. Your interpretation of nuclear weapons as a 'really big bomb, that like, vaporizes people instantly' is common among Americans as that was how it was sold to (mis)inform the public in '40s and '50s cartoons.
>>18502264Probably just because they could and because they wanted to test their new weapon and show how powerful it is.Also American troops were massive sadists and would rape a lot of women in the occupation so it's not a surprise that they would also do this.
>>18502264Anybody opposed to the nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be transported back in time to land on Japanese beaches as part of the first wave of Operation Downfall.
>>18502264Unironically worse than the Holocaust. And I'm not even a denier
>>18502878What makes it worse than the fire bombings which had already destroyed 60 cities with similar fatalities and gruesome injuries before Hiroshima?
>>18502264Strategically important cities for the upcoming invasion.
Invading (Operation Downfall) would've led to the deaths of millions of Japanese people, civilian and military.150k lives lost in two cities was sadly the better choice of two horrible options
>>18502885The chemical weapons only killed a small percent in WW1 but are generally considered the most horrific aspect of the war for a reason. Is that irrational?
>>18502885So if I burn your skin off and force you contract cancer from radiation, is that a humanitarian action compared to killing you?
>>18502885Because the usage of WMDs against civilian populations is universally considered to be abhorrent by international law, even worse than simply mass murdering civilian populations.Even during the first world war, WMDs were not used that flippantly against civilians. And nuclear weapons are far more gruesome than chemical or biological weapons.Why do we create such moral understandings? I suppose you're right, it really is all arbitrary. All humans are just flesh sacks who are going to bite the dust at some point after all.
>>18502885>What makes [horrifyingly abhorrent war crime] worse than [generic boring war crimes] we committed on an even greater scale?I don't know, I guess you're right, nothing matters and we should just revel in death and suffering
>>18502885If the Germans used their chemical weapons to wipe out Paris would you say the same thing?After all, it would only be a small percent over the overall war dead, so I guess it doesn't actually matter.
>>18502885It's not a stretch to say that watching your body melt in a nuclear war is the worst possible way for a human to die.Obviously, everyone dies, so life is to some extent pointless. But the manner in which one dies makes a difference
>>18502264Americans at the time widely considered the Japanese subhuman, similar to how Germans viewed the Russians
>>18502915>>18502921>>18502927>>18502932>>18502940>>18502952Damn I pissed a lot of you off. I agree being killed slowly by radiation and burns is horrific and the atom bombings of Japan are among the worst moments in human history, but I just don't think they're quantitatively or qualitatively much different than being horrifically burned by conventional firebombs
>>18502999They are different, because fire-bombing is not a WMD, even if it's still a method of mass murder and a war crime. If the US had been dropping chemical weapons on Japanese cities then perhaps that would be comparable to the nuclear attacks, but even then not quite as extreme or cruel.
>>18502264What's particularly unsettling about it is Americans had practically no reason to hold a genocidal grudge against Japan. If it was Chinese dropping the nuke then perhaps it would be more understandable.More American civilians died on 9/11 than were killed by Japan in the entirety of WW2
>>18503032America sees itself as a Jewish messianic nation representing the whole of humanity. So any crimes done to China are therefore crimes against America. Or something. No other nation behaves or thinks like this. In the end, the American desire to act as humanity's moral policeman will ironically lead to America being despised by every other nation.
>>18502331Who fucking cares what they thought. Might is right is universal law.
>>18502271>>18502282Stop engaging with the chink troll. Its just another slide thread meant to try and start shit between Japan posters and America posters because the chinks are deathly afraid that if they don't break up the alliances and good will between the US and the anti-China nations in East Asia, China will be fucked forever. Which of course it will.
>>18502264Scare the Soviets, revenge for pearl harbor and force Japan’s unconditional surrender
>>18502271Both the firebombings and atomic bombings were evil.>if anything we should give nuclear weapons the nobel peace prizeThis is absurd
>>18502876Japan was ready and willing to engage in peace talks with the Allies prior to the atomic bombings. The narrative that either the bombings or an invasion was necessary to end the war is Allied propaganda.
>>18502959True
It was racism, there are you done?
>>18503032>If it was Chinese dropping the nuke then perhaps it would be more understandable.Stop believing ccp lies
>>18503044America literally supplied most of Japan's oil before 1940, retard, while Japan attacked China form 1931-1930America only embargoed Japan AFTER Japan invaded French Indochina, which clearly signalled Japan's intent to invade the American held PhilippinesAmerica was supplying Japan with tons of oil and iron and copper and engines and machine tools when it started a full war with China in 1937Japan also provoked the US multiple times before the embargo, even trying to start a race war in the US before embargo, while US supplied JapanJapan also attacked US troops in the USS Panay and Standard oil tankers on 12 December 1937 near Nanjing on the Yangtze river and shot down US pilot Robert McCawley Short over Suzhou on 22 February 1932.This is why Curtiss test pilot Bob Fausel shot down a Japanese Fiat BR.20 on 4 April 1939 over Chongqing, due to previous Japanese provocations.Japan sent Japanese spies to Canada and the US in the 1920s and 1930s who incited Black Nationalists like NOI to race war against white peopleNaka Nakane (Satokata Takahashi) was the agent and spy.Japan also planned to support Black Nationalists and Black Supremacists like the cult Nation of Islam (NOI led by Wallace Fard Muhammad ans Elijah Muhammad) in a race war against whites in the 1930s, sending spies like Naka Nakane (Satokata Takahashi) to rile up Blacks Americans to violence against whites.The Japanese Black Dragon Society founded the anti-white Black group Pacific Movement of the Eastern World (PMEW).Japanese spared Jews and protected them while the Japanese raped and tortured Nazi Germans, Italians and Phalangist Francoist Spanish in the Manila massacre in 1945 at the German club, Bayview hotel and Spanish consulate.Nazi Germans tried showing their German passports while getting bayoneted to death. Hundreds of European white women including Italian and Spanish women were gang raped at the Bayview hotel.White supremacists think these are their allies.
>>18503044>>18503032>>18504829Japan was literally supported by Jewish banker Jacob Schiff against Russia.Japan then supported Jews in the Fugu plan to take over the economy of Asia, and Japan sent spies to America to incite Black people to race war against whites.Japan planned to hand over the entire East Asian economy to Jews in the Fugu plan.Jewish bankers like Schiff funded Japan and saved from from financial collapse and lobbied Theodore Roosevelt to support Japan annexing Korea.Roosevelt had the Taft Katsuura agreement signed with Japan in 1905 recognising Japan taking over Korea as a protectorate while Japan would support US in the Philippines.This was after the Jews Jacob Schiff, Oscar Strauss promised Roosevelt the Jewish vote for his elections and they founded the American Jewish committee to lobby for Japan.Japan sent Japanese spies to the US in the 1930s to back Black Nationalist groups for race war against whites, like NOI.Japan intervened whites and refused to intern Jews until Nazi SS officers came to occupied Dutch East Indies and screamed at the Japanese for letting Jews walk around.Japanese soldiers gang raped German women, Italian women and Spanish women in the Manila massacre and the German club and Bayview hotel while bayoneting German men to death. Those Germans were Nazi party members.Japanese soldiers didn't rape Jewish women at all. Jews were allowed their own kosher kitchens in the camps.And then Soviet Mongols raped 2 million Germans women and French Moroccam Goumiers raped Italian and German womenYou screech about Soviet rapes while Japanese soldiers gang raped German wives of Nazi party members.
>>18503032>>18503044Chinese scientist Chien-shiung Wu literally helped build the atomic bomb in the Manhattan Project.She separated uranium 235 from uranium 238Chinese engineer Qian Xueson worked on US ballistic missiles and his cousin Qian Xueju (Tsein Hsue-chu) worked on US jet propulsionChinese engineer Wong Tsu (Wang Zhu) helped design the US navy's first combat plane for Boeing during World War I.
