Otherwise whats the point if the point is something our brains chemically makes us want? What's the point of anything?
just take drugs and have anal sex goy
>>18502308>point, created by chemicals:(>point, created by chemicals created an alien that wanted that to be chemicals that create points:)
>>18502318Yeah because I would go to the afterlife, dumbass. Otherwise u rot and all this shit ends and thats it, freak out because ur ass will dissapear
>>18502308There's no point except chasing the chemical highs like a drug addict until you die.
>>18502326God I wish I was asleep forever, I can't cope with existence
>>18502332That's usually when people visit a psychiatrist to get medicated or turn to substance abuse. Only thing you can do is to not have children so they will never experience the same existential dread.
>>18502325What's so bad about nothing? Nothing happened before you were born and you were just fine not existing. Didn't see you complaining about it back then.
>>18502342I "wasnt" fine, I did not exist, so how I could be fine when I didnt exist? Unless u believe in shit like the soul. Now I'm able to be fine or not, and I dont want to lose that
>>18502308Faggots like OP love moaning about Man's predicament as a biological being and paying lip service to the idea of muh meaningless chemicals. They see themselves as realists, think it makes them "rational". But you will never see them take any of the rational steps implied by their premises, like actually catering to their body's physiological needs or helping it reestablish its natural balance. They don't want contentment. They don't want to regain their sense of meaning. They want to shit out pseudointellectual nihilist takes because it gives them a high and feels extremely profound and meaningful, even though it's dogshit under every framework including their own.
>>18502350>>>18502342> I "wasnt" fine, I did not exist, so how I could be fine when I didnt exist? Unless u believe in shit like the soul. Now I'm able to be fine or not, and I dont want to lose thatBrother I'm literally having a meltdown over thinking like this, if I could convert to Christianism or believe in life after death I wouldnt be whining
>>18502346Not him but let me put it this way: did it upset you for the 14 billion years you didn't exist, before you did? Were you upset and terrified that you didn't exist, anxiously attempting to form a body so you could exist?No. You didn't give a shit. And that's how it'll be after you die.You only feel dread about not existing because you're a self-perpetuating life form that wants to survive and replicate. After you die, it'll be like it was before you died.
>>18502360>before you died.Before you were born*
>>18502308>Otherwise whats the point if the point is something our brains chemically makes us want? What's the point of anything?The point of life is to exist. Birds fly without questioning it, bees make honey, trees make oxygen, humans think. It's just how it is. You might think this is an unsatisfying answer, but realize that this is just your own opinion and that it doesn't have to be. You can acknowledge the physical constituents of reality while also seeing it as greater than the sum of its parts. >>18502325>Yeah because I would go to the afterlife, dumbass. What if God was real but there was no afterlife? Would you still want to believe in God? Your faith is extremely shallow and just comes from fear of death. God would not be obligated to give you an afterlife, none of us are owed one. Even in the context of religion, you typically have to actually earn heaven and not take it for granted because it isn't. You must come to terms with death. Many have argued that life has meaning because it's finite. Some have even argued that death is actually preferable to an infinite afterlife, but you're not ready to have this conversation.
>>18502358> if I could convert to Christianism or believe in life after death I wouldnt be whiningMy Brother in Chemicals, did you not read my post? What the FUCK doesn't converting to Christianity have to do with anything? If you believe happiness is just chemicals in your head, why don't you go and do things that are good for the human organism instead of indulging nihilism in this cesspool?
>>18502365I would rather rot in hell than not exist for eternity
>>18502395Be careful what you wish for
>>18502395Not dying and having everything around you become completely trivialized and have all novelty around you exhausted without any escape for trillions upon trillions of years doesn't really sound like a good time to be honest. I'd like to live longer, we all do, but I don't think anyone truly wants to live forever.
>>18502395You say that, and yet, when you die, what are you going to do? Cease to exist. Sorry buddy, revealed preferences trump stated preferences. If you really cared, you'd find a way to immanentize an afterlife and go to hell instead of no longer being conscious.
>>18502358All you need to do is believe. You don’t have to be 100% certain before you take the leap of faith. You just need to believe Christ is God incarnate, rose from the dead and you will choose to follow him
>>18502318God isn't made from "chemicals" dumb jew.
>>18502360>Were you upset and terrified that you didn't exist, anxiously attempting to form a body so you could exist?>No. You didn't give a shit.K, prove it.
Atheism is wrong, so who cares? Live your life and discover God.
>>18502397I really would rather g oto hell than cease of exist>>18502404Its your fault if you dont enjoy life nigger>>18502533I wish, but I feel like I'm lying to myself believing in him
>>18502584As we all did. We all come to Christ with doubt and uncertainty. It’s the willingness that counts.
I like to think that mental things like intentionality, purpose, consciousness, etc. are somehow interdependent with physicality in a way where neither can be definitively stated to be ontologically prior to the other, somewhere between the omnipotent God-mind model and the mindless dead universe model. After all, we don't subjectively experience ourselves as a pile of atoms or more abstract physical processes. As far as it's true, we had to discover it. It doesn't just *feel like* that's what we are. But, at the same time, minds have to be structured somehow. There has to be some way they work. If they didn't have structure made out of physical stuff, they would have to have structure made out of spirit stuff (I still think they might on some level, in addition to the physical stuff.)Imagine a powerful conscious AI that was capable of altering its own structure, and imagine that this AI always existed. At any point in time you could explain its physical structure in terms of the purposeful decisions made by its previous self, but you could also explain the decisions made by the previous self in terms of the material structure of its mind at that time. But the material structure of its mind at that time could be explained by its own decisions even further back. And because it goes back infinitely like that, you can't say that the AI's current state is fundamentally a consequence of either purposeful decisions or mindless material laws. It's always a little of both.As far as I know there isn't much good science backing the possibility that reality could be like this, but I'm holding out for it. To the extent that there's anything about the universe we observe that could have been different, that isn't explained by pure necessity, then it feels like there should be some good reason why it's that way, and maybe something like a mind had a hand in it, even if that mind wasn't an all powerful, all knowing deity who watches everything to this very day.
>>18502746Also I believe the afterlife is real even if the Omni-God isn't. Idk how it works, but it just is. Maybe a god is born at the end of time and he resurrects the dead out of compassion for all the beings who contributed to his existence. Maybe part of ourselves already exists halfway out of spacetime and we only realize it after we die. I have faith that there is something.
>>18502746I think you'd enjoy this book quite a bit. Describes how Asian (especially Hindu) mystical insights can in fact complement and can be verified by Western-style pure science divorced from religion.https://annas-archive.gl/md5/be21825977ee4bcd4250026466d0ea8d>it becomes clear that, rather than analyse organic entities strictly in terms of matter and energy, which is the dream of many biologists who would reduce their science to physico-chemical explanations, the reverse might ultimately be more likely—that “..life, as a very special category of the physical universe, may in time make contributions of its own to our knowledge of matter and energy.” >As the brilliant biochemist and geneticist J. B.S. Haldane points out: As the conception of organism is a higher concrete conception than that of matter and energy, science must ultimately aim at gradually interpreting the physical world of matter and energy in terms of the biological conception of organism. This would go further than Niels Bohr’s suggestion of two different and “complementary” outlooks on the physical universe by giving biology a priority over physics; as one scientist put it, “The notions of physics will have to be enriched, and this enrichment will come from biology.”
>>18502924>Physics itself has paved the way and left an opening for such a possibility. Eddington explains that: "the distinction between ordinary matter and conscious matter is that in ordinary matter there is no correlation in the undetermined parts of the behaviour of the particles, whereas in conscious matter correlation may occur. Such correlation is looked upon as an interference with the course of nature, due to the association of consciousness with matter; in other words, it is the physical aspect of volition.">This clearly indicates that the root of consciousness is beyond what we term physical nature, that is, the space–time universe that our senses apprehend, and that consciousness is related to life as meaning is to expression. Consciousness intrudes into our space–time universe by means of organic developments, but springs from another dimension altogether, coming, as it were, from inside out. Consciousness, as such, is deathless since it belongs to a plane that is beyond life and death as well as beyond time and space—death being merely the withdrawal of consciousness from the space–time universe of phenomena that we can observe from outside; what dies and is reborn, however, is the expression of consciousness, that is, organic life.>In the process, he (Gopi Krishna) soon came to some philosophic conclusions of great importance, which he held to all the more firmly because he was actually living them. He literally saw through earthly life and behind it, perceived the existence of a kind of cosmic super-intelligence using organic compounds as an architect uses his materials. He became convinced that life and evolution were not the haphazard results of chance or undesigned occurrences but were, on the contrary, products of purposeful and deliberate cosmic design.
>>18502924>>18502926It does sound like something I'd enjoy from your excerpts. Thanks, I'll check it out
>>18502308>I don't want something, the chemicals in my brain make me want it
The point is that you are alive now and you will never be alive again. Be good to the other creatures which are alive now and which will never be alive again. Do what you can while you are alive because you will never be alive again.Enjoy life and ensure life can be enjoyed by the people around you and the people who will come after you. We are the ones who must tend to this garden.
>>18502325Who says just because there's a God that there's an afterlife? And what type of God are you thinking about?
>>18502308Do you want to accept salvation then? Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He died on a cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for sin. He was buried, then rose again from the dead and one day He will judge you. Salvation is a free gift that cant be earned, but received only by trusting the blood atonement for sin The Lord Jesus made for you to be saved from hell forever.The gift of salvation can't be earned, it's a gift: Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own works. He atoned for your sins on the cross.
it's a free country everyone gets what they want
>>18502982Yes, exactly.Take for example heroin. If I gave you some, you'd some more because your brain chemistry would be altered to want more.
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