why did civilization correlate so strongly with Middle Eastern ancestry back then?
Steppeniggers and foragers had nigger tier intelligence but north euros positively selected for it later to become superior to meds (who selected for siesta and islamism). Same as lactose persistence, viking age danes had 60-70% and modern ones >90%.
>>18502374Farmers were the smartest of the bunch. Nords were still dumber than Meds as recently as the Middle Ages/Renaissance. You're looking at a very biased point of history where they came on top mostly thanks to having the right resources needed for industrialization.
>>18502374>EEF>Middle East Retard sameflag
>>18502399Last I checked, direct PGS's for intelligence are worse predictors of intelligence than those for educational attainment due to the latter tending to have larger sample sizes. The genetic gap between WSH and EEF was likely not significant.
>>18502403>anatolia is white european saar
>>18502374the dark skinned are not and never were responsible for any civilization anywhere, the light skinned created all civilization and maintain all civilization where it exists.all religions were created to explain that phenomenon
Anatolians weren't MENAs, they had Euro HG admixture. And modern Northern Europeans have more of it than MENAs, except for Phoenicians and Punics
>>18502409All Europeans are MENAs saaar, even Finns who have like 1/3 EEF, literally Saudijeets.
>>18502403>anatolia isn't middle east>eef weren't closer to natufians than to euro hgs
>>18502419So the British are Middle Eastern then
>>18502422about 50-60% middle eastern anf+iran_n.many whites have wavy hair, large eyes, aquiline noses, etc. non hg features
>>18502399Yet those same studies also indicate an increase in intelligence after the addition of steppe admixture. Pure EEF pops are dumber than steppe admixed ones in those charts.Do you understand why? These graphs largely correlate with genetic similarity to the control groups. Modern Europeans have 3-way admixture, steppe, anf, whg, so any ancient pop automatically scores higher on "intelligence" when they are mixed like the control groups.You can't measure intelligence of an extinct population with the accuracy of a living one because you cannot give the dead IQ tests and see how that correlates with their genes and particular genetic configuration. It's an inference without an empirical demonstration.It may not be surprising to find WHGs were dumber simply because they were hunter gatherers but how much dumber should they really be? That much? It seems suspicious.
>>18502409>>18502419Your worm, ANF and EEF are different thingsThe farmers of Anatolia already received Iron Gates and WHG admixture when they reached Europe, and at the peak of the EEF cultures, such as Baden, FunnelBeaker, Vinca, Cardium pottery etc. etc already possessed a significant Mesolithic mixture. That is, unlike pure ANFs, which did not have European Mesolithic ancestry.Stop being retarded and pretending you understand genetics. And they resembled modern day Sardinians
It correlates with CHG, actually.
>>18502433No. There was a drop in IQ after steppeniggers invaded. It's not coincidence that the region where they had the least impact (Greece) was the one to develop civilization first. The Minoans had zero steppe admixture.
>>18502399>>18502408Dumbing it down to Steppe as the sole source of higher IQ scores wouldn’t be intelligent. As the same study indicates EEF were also scoring no different in PGS than modern euros. Even in England, higher iq is mainly within the regions with elevated French ancestry.
>>18502436>No. There was a drop in IQ after steppeniggers invaded.Incorrect. Post the chart that has both neolithic pops and Italy Iron Age Republic.We've had these threads before
>>18502434>And they resembled modern day SardiniansYes, they were a strange brown race of gigamanlets (shorter than Mexicans) that survives on one island.
Btfo
>>18502412>>18502441
>>18502454ANF bros? Our answer?!?
>>18502454End of the thread LOL
Eurosaars got blonde hair via two sources: ANE via EHG and ANF(bottleneck effect). Later, EEF cultures had high frequency of light features. About blue eyes again it's via WHG and ANF but WHG had a higher frequency. Over time these traits got selected and became more common.Early Steppe looked Punjab Indians
>>18502454Sad that good guys often lose
>>18502454>>18502446? You're confusing ANF and EEF again. The Yamnaya pioneers and the EEF (GAC) culture, the most warlike and mobile. Their prowess in metallurgy was definitely important, especially that of the Balanovanos and their descendants, who conquered vast stretches of land to exploit tin and copper mines on a large scale. You lost again
ANF are mostly the maternal ancestors of Europeans. Phenotypicall looked like the Beatles, according to reconstructions
>>18502462>Early Steppe looked Punjab IndiansThat makes no sense, they had absolutely nothing to do with jeets genetically.
>>18502446>The Hirisplex eye and hair color prediction of 37 Early Neolithic farmers sequenced across Europe and Anatolia [2,3,17,30] revealed that four individuals presented high probabilities of being blue-eyed (p=0.55-0.91), 23 were predicted to be brown-eyed.They looked like Mediterraneans, João
>EEF wuz Brown senior
>>18502433> It may not be surprising to find WHGs were dumber simply because they were hunter gatherers but how much dumber should they really be? That much? It seems suspicious.If I'm not mistaken, an SD in the IQ PGS is really like, 6 IQ points. A difference of around 15 IQ points between WHG and modern euros happens to be replicated by EA3, a vastly superior genetic measure of intelligence, with WHG scoring worse than African-Americans, Nilotes, and non-Bantu Niger-Congoids.
>>18502490
>>18502481And intelligence is inherited mostly from the mother. Anyone in denial about ANF/EEF not being geniuses compared to steppeshits/hunterjeets needs to do more research. This is why South Euros love and cherish their mothers while Nordoids have a distant relationship with their parents.
>>18502441> As the same study indicates EEF were also scoring no different in PGS than modern euros.Not in educational attainment, a better measure of IQ. They were a full SD below modern Euros there (not equivalent to a full SD in IQ).
Did The 10,000 Year Explosion predict that the intelligence PRS of early European farmers, before civilization in the traditional sense, was already basically at today’s level?That is much closer to what the paper shows than the story people are trying to project onto it.
>>18502487Yamnayas have ancestry from populations related to the Caucasus and India that are largely absent in 38 Early or Middle Neolithic farmers but present in all 25 Late Neo-lithic or Bronze Age individuals.
>>18502374Anatolians weren't exactly Middle Eastern, they were more their own distinct people or race and spread across both Europe and the Middle East.
>>18502429>>18502419>>18502374>>18502399European success is due to selection sweeps picking up on high IQ pro social genes and removing low IQ anti social genes.they did not "get lucky" they are literally better at a genetic level and this is also present in their lower rates of genetic mental illness such as schizophrenia.Anatolians are MENA in any meaningful sense, Anatolians originated in MENA geographically but modern MENAmutts originated geographically in Africa and India so if we are going by strict geographic rules, Modern Lebanogs and Roaches, and Nafroons are either nigs or jeets ancestrally speaking.Modern Norwegians share more DNA with Mycenaeans than modern Syrians do btw
>>18502542There's a lot of cards stacked against modern MENAs. Inbreeding, Islam, being in constant state of war, etc. Jews prove that Middle Eastern genetics can still be great under the right environment.
>>18502549I really don't follow. There's no sign of such intelligence in native Levantines and Ashkenazi Jews are only about 33% Levantine. Then you have countless Jews, especially secular, who are recent offspring of Euro + Jew.
>>18502542>Modern Norwegians share more DNA with Mycenaeans than modern Syrians do btwNo they don't. You're just lying blatantly.
>>18502542>Modern Norwegians share more DNA with Mycenaeans than modern Syrians do btw
>>18502456if whites stole civilization from browns then why are browns such shit at civilization?
>>18502549>>18502577Poolestinians aren't Middle Eastern, they're African.
>>18502599But I didn't say Palestinians. There are other groups you can compare like Samaritans and the other Jewish ethnicities with more ME ancestry. Even Palestinians Christians are a good to compare. I just don't see the correlation with ME ancestry in Jews. If Jews are smarter than all those groups, the one big variable that has changed is the Euro ancestry.
>>18502549Ashkenazis have little Natufian admixture. They're actually closer to Northern Italians and Swiss than to Palestinians.
>>18502374>macedonia_ia is over 60% nonhumangrooooooooss gross gross gross gross gross
>>18502374>Anatolian_EF>middle eastern ancestry Worthless troll
>>18502542holy fucking cope seethe whitie we conquered you
>>18502844Ashkenazis are almost identical to southern Italians. There was a recent Nature paper on this.
>>18502399How exactly are they measuring intelligence over 1000s of years?We have a hard time measuring intelligence fucking today, our best metric (IQ test) only has 0.4 correlation with overall success in Western society.
>>18502413>>18502419I put very little faith in ADNA studies, because for one they aren't actual mtdna studies, just reconstruction based on unfalsiable algos, with a lot of speculation involved.
>>18502542>but modern MENAmutts originated geographically in Africa and IndiaI fail to see how that's true.MENA is simply a result of a back migration event into Africa.> Modern Norwegians share more DNA with Mycenaeans than modern Syrians do btwThe cope is real.
>>18502549>prove that Middle Eastern genetics can still be great under the right environmentHow?You jews have been incapable of building an independent state for centuries.>>18502542> LebanomuttsDisagree, they are fairly homogenous.
>>18503341>>18502399they're using a few snps that may account for at best 5% of intelligence in modern populations
>>18502599Found the coping nationless jew mongrel!Pallies have been in the Levant for fucking centuries, your claims are baseless. Where as you jews are just THOUROUGHLY mongrelised animals made up of the rape babies of multiple populations, you have morrocans, Somalis and fucking Yemenis amongst you, you seething mongrel.
>>18503353> They are using a handful of SNPs that are mildly associated with success in an IQ test and comparing them to that of reconstructed DNA of ancient populations So it's worthless! Thanks!
>>18502542>but modern MENAmutts originated geographically in Africa aHow so...?Are you pulling the Africa origin BS?
>>18502847I wouldn't take any aDNA study seriously if I were you.Ancient DNA (aDNA) studies face a fundamental problem: they do not retrieve intact, original genomes but instead produce statistical reconstructions from highly degraded, fragmented, and contaminated molecular remains. This reconstruction nature introduces several systematic limitations that challenge the certainty of many conclusions drawn from aDNA research.DNA degradation: Post-mortem damage fragments DNA and causes nucleotide errors, forcing computational repair that can misidentify genuine variants .Low coverage: Most samples have only 0.1–1× coverage (vs. 30× needed), making heterozygous/homozygous calls probabilistic rather than certain .Contamination: Modern human and microbial DNA often outweigh ancient endogenous DNA, potentially skewing reconstructed genomes.Pseudohaploidization: Researchers sample one random read per position to avoid damage bias, artificially converting diploid genomes to haploid and losing heterozygosity data .Reference bias: Alignment to modern human references filters out ancient-specific variants, underrepresenting populations divergent from modern references .Epigenetic reconstruction limits: Methylation maps require high-coverage data and statistical modeling, restricting analysis to exceptional samples.
>>18503405chatgpt
>>18503446Nope and not really an argument.The main problem can be summarized in the fact that they are essentially reconstructions and non replicable by their very design since their method of extracting viable SNPs is destructive by its very nature, this findings cannot be corroborated.
>>18503460>this findingsTheir*I could go on but I cba.Point is aDNA studies cannot be taken with the same degree of seriousness as real genetic studies.
>>18503405>the Christian Identity schizo who believes only Germanic people have souls and everyone else are "Hell-spawned beasts" is now posting ChatGPT output to cope with nordicism being disproved by scienceyou're so stupid and loathsome it's amazing
>>18503492Not a chatgpt output.And it's not even science as it does not follow the scientific method, it is non replicable by its very design. Furthermore, you calling it a DNA study is blatantly false since it is AT THE ABSOLUTE best a poor and highly flawed reconstruction.I have made all these points already in my previous post, but you are just seemingly incapable of intellectually digesting more than a few paragraphs.
>>18503522It's some kind of LLM. used an LLM checker and it literally said that your text is 100% AI generated. I thought Germanics were the people of light chosen by God and everyone else including Italians and Greeks are Hell spawned demons who need to be exterminated? Maybe it's just because I'm an evil demon who got all my nordic DNA raped out of my ancestors by demons like you say, but why would one of the chosen Germanics just lie like this?
>>18503548Idc what your LLM checker says.Address the argument or just shut the hell up.> and everyone else including Italians and Greeks are Hell spawned demons who need to be exterminatedWhen did I ever say something like that?
>>18503560You say that God's chosen (who you believe to be Germanics) need to take up the sword of God to kill the rest of humanity who is not Germanic, to create God's kingdom on Earth. Sounds pretty messed up, man. Why can't one of the chosen of God just be honest?https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/464262306/#464283359
>>18503566darkness is the taint of hell-spawned demons and your attempts to claim that the children of the olympian gods were contaminated by the darkness of hell are asinine
>>18502542>Modern Norwegians share more DNA with Mycenaeans than modern Syrians do btwLOL, in your utterly delusional self-hating germoid mind maybe
>>18503566You are thinking of a diffrent person.Anyhow, my critique stands.aDNA reconstructions studies are absolutely worthless as they do not follow the scientific method.
>>18503584He is not a German, he is a seething, deeply inbred, straight up delusional jew, read his post carefully.
>>18503405>DNA degradation: Post-mortem damage fragments DNA and causes nucleotide errors, forcing computational repair that can misidentify genuine variants .Low coverage: Most samples have only 0.1–1× coverage (vs. 30× needed), making heterozygous/homozygous calls probabilistic rather than certain .Chatgpt
>>18503587No, it's the same person. Stop lying. You might not be the only one on 4chan who believes in Christian Identity but you're the only one who calls everyone who is not Germanic "dark hell-spawned demons". That is a collocation only you use.
>>18503592See >>18503522
>>18503594>dark hell-spawned demonsI am not the one who said that, dumbass.You are thinking of a diffrent person.
>>18503598Except at first you didn't deny any of it besides the LLM part >>18503522. It's you. Just come clean. Or are you going to run away like when it was proven you were born in Naples Italy in spite of your hate for Italians and how you see them as brown and now as literally demonic and from Hell after you converted to Christian Identity in the past few years? You were a neopagan atheist before.
>>18503594>everyone who is not Germanicthat is incorrect, the lightness that is of God is not limited to "germanic" people, in fact the eastern pillar of heaven has a strong claim in that department as well
>>18503609Deny what...?I am not that guy. I am simply stating that aDNA studies are mostly BS and I made a good case for it and no one ITT made any good counter arguments.
>>18503365Educational attainment has a .6 correlation with individual IQ and a .89 correlation with group IQ (and that's including groups who are obviously brought down by their enviornment. The correlation grows when you exclude them).
>>18503359>your claims are baselessCan you explain why the Crimean Karaites look like "white mongrels" if they lived in the Crimean Khanate with pic related and not in Slav lands?
Christianity Identity is what you get when someone with down syndrome has the Nietzschean will to power. You have to learn to appreciate the contradiction and irony.East Meds and Jews infected Europe with the mind virus of Christianity. Romans spread this mental illness north which caused the cultural heritage and identity of Northern Europeans to be replaced with Jewish fairy tales and a narrative about Jews being chosen by God.If you are too dumb to reject this nonsense, the healthiest reaction is to turn the narrative on its head: "These stories are about us. We are the chosen race." Retarded but not cucked.During the rise of secularism, Northern Europe's history and identity was long gone from the aftermath of Christianity. The new wave of intellectuals were able to set religious dogma aside but not its cultural legacy. Their history still revolved around the East Mediterranean because that's what Christianity focused on. That is the context in which Nordicism arose. The obsession with the East Mediterranean still lingered. No longer chosen by Yahweh, but rather the Master Race.Those who were once taught Jews were the chosen race broke their spiritual bonds.>NOOO YOU CAN'T BE YAHWEH'S FAVORITE>NOOO SOUTHERN EUROPEAN HISTORY ISN'T ABOUT YOU. STOP WE WUZZINGlol, lmao evenEven the stupid refuse to be chained down by this suffocating obsession with foreigners and their stories.
>>18503723I really don't care about that.The correlation is only 0.4 with general success in 1st world countries, this is great for social sciences but it's shit for everything else.It's a flawed metric at best, I consider them useful nonetheless.
>>18503742> Crimean KaraitesIdc, Keraites are small sect of jews, European Keraites are an even smaller sect within that sect, they are utterly irrelevant, they number in the fucking thousands.As for my claim regarding you jews being repulsive mongrels, feel free to visit a tel Aviv bus stop, you will see no jews who look the same, a disgusting mass of cultureless hybrids engaging in a large scale, American sponsored LARP.
>>18503821>East Meds and Jews infected Europe with the mind virus of Christianity.Never happened, Christianity was created by the Greeks and than later spread by them after the council of nikea. Talmudism arose CENTURIES after Christianity.Futhremore, Christianity was spread largely peacefully across Europe. You jews seethe at it, because Christian Europe BTFO'd you.
>>18503341>How exactly are they measuring intelligence over 1000s of yearsThey're not. Even in cases where it validates their own more recent conclusions, which is odd. In their own model groups like Bell Beaker-derived populations or the Megalithic builders would have been at least as intelligent if not more so than ANF after so many thousands of years of selection and passing through so many endlessly Darwinian filters like neolithization or sedentary agriculture, not excluding their own achievements. They may have seemed utterly barbarous and boorish to us, likely in 250 BC a Roman aristocrat would to a Greek commoner even, but it doesn't imply that those same people were like bad at math innately or something. The framing of it with civilization as the driving force of this aspect of evolution is their big blind spot. Indians are literally retarded on average. Their cities are the most disgusting, horrid places on this earth. They are also one of the most deeply ancient civilizations with several crucial global achievements. Civilization is driving very little of this aspect of evolution, it's more just redirecting much of selection, synthesizing it in counter-intuitive directions. It's mostly making us gayer and more evil wordcels, molding us to be more like Lazaridis.
>>18503852Why do the Crimean Karaites look white?
>>18503946> Indians are literally retarded on average.IQ alone isn't enough to (properly) diagnose retardation, not to mention that that's certainly due to enviornmental impacts, some of which might even obscure "real" intelligence.
>>18503821You think any of these people would have agreed with giving the rights of God's children to dark hell-spawned demons?You attempts to characterize non retarded christianity as "christian identity" is stupid and shows how ignorant of history you truly are.
>>18502374Why does unemployment correlate with speaking romance language?
>>18502456Aristotle was talking about Balkanoids. Not Northern Europe.
>>18502374EEF invented agriculture that caused a population explosion of these swarthoid manlets.
>>18503460absolutely chatgpt
>>18502462>Early Steppe looked Punjab Indians
>>18502496Yer a browncel from north africa
>>18502542>Modern Lebanogs and Roaches, and Nafroons are either nigs or jeets ancestrally speaking.True
This board is fucking boring.
