What made the Sopranos the greatest show of all time and such an important historical work of art?
>>18503351/tv/ tourist lol.
>>18503396>LE /TV/ TOURIST25 years rule
>>18503351this was a golden era for HBO when producers could find quality writers, actors and directors and most importantly - get the fuck out of their way and let them do their thing
>>18503351>gypsanosI cant watch this without disgust.
>>18503396Most of you shitskins on this board come here from /int/ so that's not really an insult.
>>18503351>>18503416Not real Italian. That be Russian.
>>18503351WOKE UP THIS MORNING GOT YOURSELF A GUN.
Boomers collective decision to troll us for being brainlets
>>18503351i haven't watched all of it, but to me what i liked about it was it showed a subculture of america that was clearly in its final stages. it's the only piece of mob media that'll have old school ny area mobsters being surrounded by korean nail salons and hispanic bodegas, which is probably how it was in the 2000s. after moving from inner cities to the suburbs and with new waves of immigrants coming in, the italian--american community was no longer as sequestered, and with this comes the process of full assimiliation where mob activity is just being rendered obsolete. what results from this are characters who are anachronismstake christopher moltisanti for example. he's a tragic figure because he's simply a man that doesn't belong in his generation. he idolizes guys in the mob and tries to be as tough and violent as them, almost as if he's a character in the godfather or goodfellas or something. the only issue is that those movies are decades old at that point, and men his age simply don't express that kind of attitude anymore, which leaves him completely alone.
>>18505268There’s so many meta moments where the guys are quoting mob movies and trying to act like movie gangsters while longing for the good old days. There’s FBI wiretaps of Jersey wiseguys going “this is supposed to be us, right?” and in general they approved of the show and admired the acting.
Hollywood since the 60s had tragicomic antiheroes struggling with everyday life and that kind of realism crept into cop shows and medical dramas on network TV but with cable the Sopranos could show graphic sex and violence and trust the viewers could keep up with a half dozen or more story lines. It was brilliant ensemble work with even minor characters getting a story arc and space to do their thing. People enjoyed the contrast of a violent alpha mob boss who still got nagged by his wife and had to deal with getting his daughter into college and his loser son. Male viewers identified with the gangsters while women enjoyed the soap opera plots and hybristophilia over violent uninhibited men.
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>>18503351Part to this were the ps2 rock band algorithm aspect to the aughts and getting able to riff on that material on hours and hours to time this was the ps2 rock band aspect that would also get trump elected as the tea party astroturf melded with the algorithm and also to this image the tony soprano that was not donald trump or anything else but this were the ps2 rock band we cannot stop here this were bat country this were tartarus though the ps2 algorithm would go on to wreak have what i am doing is riding through on top on the mechanics to the ps2 atop the trail to algorithmization that was carved through the twenty tens and lead to trumps election and tony soprano does end up as this balzac figure almost having assumed almost giant stature just to maintain individuality at trump, strange spectacle all around or something like that
>>18507633So this is how mindbroken Trump made idiots?
During the original Sopranos run I switched from a job in academia to one with a lot of blue collar Italian, black and Latino guys, and Monday mornings were all about last night’s episode. In the former, people would talk about allusions to classical mythology and Roman history while in the latter it was all about the gangster shit, but both groups loved seeing realistic uninhibited characters, and none of the black and brown guys got upset at racial stuff, though the plot line with gay Vito freaked them out. Libtarded characters and attitudes are almost always shown as naive and out of touch, and I think that’s a big reason why the show has a newfound zoomer fan base. Just like Tony longs for a simpler time when men were men, kids look at this wildly entertaining media artifact that’s diverse without cornball forced diversity and doesn’t beat you over the head with sanctimonious moral lectures.
>>18508500I think what ultimately makes it stand the test of time is its unabashedly authentic It never stops to wink at the audience or allow the audience “in” on the act, its just a tight script and actors acting their asses off Pretty austere all things considered and people can appreciate the simplicity
>>18505268The scenes where they try to muscle in on Starbucks and just get a polite "no" because what are they going to do against a multi billion dollar conglomerate, and absent-mindedly walk about of Little Italy in the space of a phonecall hammer these points home.
>>18505342As I was reading anon's post, the Starbucks scene is exactly what I was thinking as well. I knew plenty of Christopher types 20 years ago. Guido culture was in full force early 2000s. Ironically half of them were Lebanese and not Italian.
>>18508546Meant to reply to this >>18508533
>>18508546Always with the scenarios...
This thread, retroactively made it on topic.Now may discuss thematic parallels between The Sopranos vis a vis Illiad and Odyssey.
Tony is kind of like Achilles in a way, and that way is he's angry. And in another way, he's Odysseus going through katabasis in therapy and shit. Weird right?
>>18508546I think only one member of jersey shore was fully 'italian', with the rest being various form of new england el goblinos
>Tony is kind of like Achilles in a way, and that way is he's angry. And in another way, he's Odysseus going through katabasis in therapy and shit. >HEY, MIKEY, SPEAKIN' OF GREEK FOOD DIDJA EVER HAVE ONE OF THEM GYROS AT MILO'S TAVERNA OFF FOURTY-FOURTH STREET?
>>18509854Chase kept trying to show his asshole to them in his interview
>>18509854>>18509979I love how this is their life now. They were in one show 20 years ago, and now they have to talk about it every day, forever. No other project they are part of will be as popular or as successful. They're trapped in their own heaven and hell.
>>18509989>do one show>get paid royalties>get paid to sign autographs and meet fans>will probably get offered money for cameos or some small part in other goombah films>don't have to keep up appearances or relevancy>don't have to worry about being cancelled by wokefagsSounds comfy to me. Most of them didn't have established acting careers before the shows so it's not like they give a shit about it as a profession.
>>18509989They're both working, but Michael Imperioli especially. He was in White Lotus, which was a hit and made him known to a lot of people who haven't seen The Sopranos. I saw some clip of a climate change activist heckling a theatre production, and Imperioli was on stage with the guy from Succession.This podcast ended years ago anyway and I think it was later edited for some kind of HBO release.You can't really expect them to be in another most popular show ever after already being in one.
>>18509989>"Oral History of The Sopranos">it's just a collection of curated transcripts from Talking Sopranoslollmao
>>18510011>White LotusI know what the Sopranos is, but have no idea what that is, some kind of cooking show?
>>18510023It’s one of those “look at the depraved lives of the wealthy” hbo porn shows
>>18510023You're so cool for not knowing it and not googling it. I didn't watch it either, but still.
