One of the things that I always found incredibly backwards about Western ideology is that violence is often portrayed as noble and sex is portrayed as degenerate. It’s an interesting dichotomy since only one of these acts is a healthy, natural, biological process.Sex is often viewed as an animalistic act, which is ironic since violence is probably the most animalistic act possible.This can seen historically across the past two millennia with Middle Ages cultures that boasted the glory of warfare and the noble knight, but considered doggystyle improper (and other non-facing sex positions). Or in a more modern context, a PG-13 movie may contain a man being disemboweled alive (this is considered suitable material in Western media), but a penis in a vagina on camera is getting NC-17.Many cultures have glorified violence, but it is rarer for a culture to simultaneously glorify violence and be so prudish towards sex. For example, the Chinese often huge glorifiers of violence and conquest, but, while private and polite, China is not historically have such a moral aversion towards sex.I feel like this is an aspect of Western society that is just accepted uncritically, and there’s hardly any self-awareness of this line of thinking and its unusual place amongst history and geography.Even in the Bible itself, the Old Testament does not seem exceptionally prudish outside of requiring abstinence (standard for paternity assurance) and weird sanitary concerns regarding menstruation (also in line with the Deuteromical fixation on sanitation). The New Testament, however, seems to glorify celibacy (or at least Paul does), but Revelations is also quite glorifying of holy violence.I think that centuries of precedent is why Westerners today are started by boobs on TV, but shrug their shoulders at a man being decapitated in an action movie.
>>18503636Pro violence as a quick solution before a societal sore festers, and anti sex purely for carnal pleasure. The US for most of its history is a frontier nation.
>>18503648This worldview is present in most of the Western world, not just the USA.I would also push back against the idea that the USA’s historical “violence first” approach has been fantastic at preventing societal sores.I would also push back against the idea of sex for carnal pleasure being bad at all. It’s probably the best carnal pleasure out there in that it is incredibly satisfying and actually healthy for you with few downsides (accidental pregnancy, STDs). Comparing this to other worldly pleasures such as drinking and gluttony and gambling and such, the negative consequences are far more apparent. The idea that sex = bad kind of springs from no where. It’s not even really in the Bible (besides Paul being a rather angry truecel).The Bible actually doesn’t have that many sexual prohibitions. Only within marriage, no gay shit, etc. It actually says nothing about masturbation, blow jobs, doggy style sex, etc. Song of Solomon is actually very sex-positive, which is think is really funny compared to how Christian institutions have handled the sex question.Conversely, Christian institutions (Catholics, Victorians, Puritans) have prohibited many of those things even within marriage for really no sound reason other than “icky” I suppose. It’s another thing I find really strange that it is taken at face value considering I have actually read the entire Bible. In Song of Solomon, it seems to imply sucking on tits and the writer getting his dick sucked, two acts that have been historically prohibited as sodomy despite literally being in the Bible.I don’t think “The Bible” is a good explanation for why Westerners are so prudish about sex and hate “carnal pleasures” considering the Bible isn’t all that against it (once again, besides Paul, and only kinda).The ultimate irony being the Skoptsy, a Christian group that believed it necessary to remove penis, testicles, and testicles.
>>18503672In regards to the Skoptsy, it’s actually hilarious that they considered sexual pleasure of any kind to be sinful, but they did not consider the extreme body mutilation they conducted to prevent sex to be sinful.The irony here being that the Bible does not prohibit sexual pleasure, but it does explicitly prohibit extreme body self-mutilation. It makes you wonder how it is possible for them to have got their theology so backwards.
>>18503636A power structure relies on violence to exist so it must, in some way, support violence. From here it has two main options: straight forwardly condone violence or try to convince their subjects that what it's doing is something other than violence. Historically it's been of great benefit to power structures to have plenty of men capable of violence so they go for the former option.As for sex, well it's something most men want so if you can control it you can control most men.
>>18503672>actually healthy for you with few downsides>STDsBefore the advent of modern medicine a lot of STDs were basically life-ruining if not outright lethal and they spread precisely because too many people fucked around. I imagine they were a far bigger threat to the average historical person than drinking or gambling (and killing yourself through gluttony wasn't even on the table unless you were some rich fuck).Plus, I think violence vs. sex is a false dichotomy. I can't think of any culture that doesn't glorify violence in some way, irrespective of their atittude to sex.
>>18503700>Before the advent of modern medicine a lot of STDs were basically life-ruining if not outright lethal and they spread precisely because too many people fucked around. All diseases would fuck you up prior to medicine. The common cold could put you down. Drinking dirty water. Tearing your hamstring. Breathing the wrong air. STDs were not a unique category any deadlier than the rest. Also, the Bible commands sex within marriage, which happens to greatly reduce STD risk. But, as mentioned, many Western cultures demonized sex even within marriage (this is something that Twitter TradCaths push back against despite the mountains of historical evidence). >I imagine they were a far bigger threat to the average historical person than drinking or gambling (and killing yourself through gluttony wasn't even on the table unless you were some rich fuck).Alcohol addiction was a plague even back in ye olden days. Alcohol has been destroying lives since 8,000 BC. Gambling obviously was even worse as you could lose everything you own in a single night, and there were little regulations on such acts.>Plus, I think violence vs. sex is a false dichotomy. I can't think of any culture that doesn't glorify violence in some way, irrespective of their atittude to sex.That is fair. Ideologies of peace are fairly rare historically. There’s likely even fewer cultures that demonized sex and demonized violence. Quakers maybe? I don’t know.
>>18503636IT IS A PROTESTANT THING.PROTESTANTS HAVE A STRANGE REGARD FOR THE FLESH, SEXUALITY, ESPECIALLY; THIS IS BECAUSE, IN THEIR IDEOLOGY —ACROSS ALL SECTS—, FLESH, AND SOUL, ARE MUTUALLY ANTITHETICAL AND SEPARATE; THIS SCHIZOIDAL CONCEPTION OF THE HUMAN FORM CAUSES THEM TO DEVELOP SEXUAL COMPLEXES WHICH LEAD THEM TO REGARD SEXUALITY WITH MORBOSITY; FROM THIS, THEY CAN ADOPT ONE OF TWO EXTREME ATTITUDES: RAMPANT DEBAUCHERY, OR REPRESSIVE PRUDISHNESS; IN BOTH EXTREMES, LIBIDO IS DISORDERED; DUE TO DEPOSITION, IN THE FORMER; DUE TO LIQUEFACTION, IN THE LATER; GIVEN THE FACT THAT BOTH, DEPOSITION, AND LIQUEFACTION, ARE EXOTHERMIC PROCESSES, A LIBIDO IN SUCH STATE OF DISORDER IS PRONE TO BOUTS OF VIOLENCE, OR TO A FASCINATION WITH VIOLENCE.
>>18503636more of an anglo-american thingthe french are not as shy away from sex
>>18503636Western society (at least traditionally) puts big value on acting deliberately rather than instinctively. It's noble and respectable to think with your head and not with your heart (or your penis). Violence is only ever glorified when it's deliberate, like executing a criminal or getting revenge on a villain. Random, pointless violence can be portrayed in media but it's not glorified.
>>18503716Reminder that merely having a verbal disagreement with your spouse in England is categorized as "domestic violence".That is to say, if a man wants to watch the football, his wife demands he turns it off, and they start arguing about it and the neighbors call it in then it's getting logged as domestic violence.Very emotionally charged imagery that isn't at all representative of facts.
>>18504486>Violence is only ever glorified when it's deliberate, like executing a criminal or getting revenge on a villainBullshit. Anglos glorify criminals like no one else. Pirates, gangsters, anti-heroes, etc. Even fucking psychopaths (pic related). The most obvious example is the romanticization of the Italian mafia. It's completely different from how it's portrayed in its own home country. The mafia is always depicted in a negative light in Italy.
>>18504499This is a modern trend. Traditionally villains weren't glorified (remember the pirates in Treasure Island were the villains). But even then, these villains are respectable because they are cold and calculating, not going on random chimpouts. When it comes to sexuality, there's nothing admirable or impressive or intelligent about it. Any idiot in the world is able to have sex.
>>18504486>Implying that sex is some reckless, thoughtless, destructive actYeah man, I don’t understand why people like you think this way. Sex is just a biological process. It’s a healthy, natural thing. There’s nothing badass or stoic about pretending to not like sex.I take a shit everyday. Does that make me non-deliberate and reckless? Am I thinking with my butthole and not my mind? Am I slave to my desire to drop a fat log out my butthole everyday? Am I shitting-addict?That all sounds ridiculous, right? That’s how what you say about sex sounds if you ignore the centuries of Western conditioning that has formed your strange conceptions about sticking a penis in a vagina hole.
>>18504499The romanticization of the Italian mafia is driven by "Italian"-Americans and other non-Anglo Ellis Islanders lol.
>>18504511Shitting and pissing is not a choice, but sex is. When media normalizes people being driven by stupid animalistic desires it reduces a person down to their base instincts, which is wrong because humans are capable of so much more. Plato said the essence of a human is the ability to be virtuous and rational, and this way of thinking is what influenced Western thought and permeated its culture for millennia.
>>18504514It's just part of a wider phenomenon. Anglos also glorify pirates and Wild West outlaws.
>>18504517>Shitting and pissing is not a choice, but sex is.Pissing and shitting is a choice. You can choose to just hold it. You are simply too weak-willed to do it. You are an animal thinking with your butthole and not your brain. That being said, holding in your shit would do as much good for you as celibacy, that is, of course, no benefit at all.>When media normalizes people being driven by stupid animalistic desires it reduces a person down to their base instincts, Yes, humans are mammals that are biologically designed to fuck. Sorry you weren’t born an incel alien space wizard.>which is wrong because humans are capable of so much more. I think this is really funny because it almost seems like you are implying that no sex allows you to achieve more. All studies show that successful and intelligent people have higher labidos and engage in more sex on average.>Plato said the essence of a human is the ability to be virtuous and rational, and this way of thinking is what influenced Western thought and permeated its culture for millennia.There’s nothing non-virtuous about sex. Your position is buzzwords without reason. Sex being voluntary doesn’t negate the fact that it’s just as natural as shitting. You are unironically brainwashed by Western propaganda.
>>18504499>>18504521Of course, this must've led to the nigger gangbanger phenomenon as well. Blacks never had a real chance to really improve themselves. Angloid culture enables anti-social behavior.
>>18504499>you were supposed to like patrick batemanif you're a retard zoomer with zero media literacy who gets his worldview from tiktok
>>18504531Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good. Rape and murder are also natural.To begin with, sex for pleasure is even more a waste of time than doing drugs. At least some drugs will give you interesting ideas and insight into how your mind works. With sex you're just pursuing pleasure in a way that requires no thought or intelligence. Even playing video games brings some challenge that must be overcome -- the pleasure is in overcoming a challenge. But pleasure for its own sake is an insult to every pursuit of something more meaningful.The even bigger problem is that normalization of sex for pleasure also means undermining the true (or at least better) purpose of sex, which is to drive people to get married and form families, which is a prerequisite for human life and civilization.
>>18504521Every culture glorifies 'based' bandits, you think narcocorridos were invented by anglo immigrants to mexico lol
>>18504544Yes? Anglos were the first narcoterrorists.
Half of this thread looks like OP is just failing to distinguish between sex between a husband and wife, often (albeit not always) for procreation, and sex in other contexts. It's not so much a question of sex being looked down upon as it is a question of when sex is looked down upon. I don't think there's any culture today or in human history where throatfucking your mother in public approaches being anywhere near acceptable. Both sex and violence are acts that vary in their acceptability dramatically according to context, yet OP seems to be arguing without this in mind and appeals in defense of "sex" in general which is worthless. Not sure when precisely he would find sex good or bad.
Because they made the horse a female instead of a male and it made God angry
>>18504565See, the post above is a good example of a mouth-breathing retard who knows nothing about history and is probably migrating here from /pol/. He seems to be of the opinion that Western culture has always embraced the idea of sex within marriage for procreation, which is, of course, not at all true. Due to his ignorance of basic historical facts, he is what one would refer to as a “retard” and thus is not worth engaging.
>>18504541Take your entire post and replace sex with shitting and pissing.Now reread it. Hopefully that helps illustrate how meaningless your drivel is.
>>18504583>He seems to be of the opinion that Western culture has always embraced the idea of sex within marriage for procreationIncredible job making wrong assumptions about my post, now I know to ignore you for being a double retard right off the bat, truly I wish there were more people just like you.
>>18504594See how the retard flails and seethes. This is the retard’s song and dance when he knows he has been defeated.
>>18504555>the opium wars are why my barrio's most famous musician is writing ballads for the jalisco cartel o algo
>>18503801Why is France so right about everything all the time?
>>18504510>When it comes to sexuality, there's nothing admirable or impressive or intelligent about it.That's just ont true.>Any idiot in the world is able to have sex.lol
>>18504565>throatfucking your mother in publicI would argue that this would be more violent than sexual.Same thing with rape.Non-violent sex between consenting adults shouldn't be frown upon imho.
>>18503636>Why Does Western Ideology Historically Glorify Violence and Demonize Sex?It glorifies certain kinds of violence and demonizes certain kinds of sex depending on whether or not it manifests in a degenerate/niggerlike way.
>>18503779Wat
>>18503636>Demonize Sexsex outside of marriage, not just sex in general.
>>18503716>>18504491Its funny as fuck that this even happens, like how can you hit your wife ever much less ocer fucking goyball
>>18504531>Pissing and shitting is a choice. You can choose to just hold it. You are simply too weak-willed to do it. You are an animal thinking with your butthole and not your brain. That being said, holding in your shit would do as much good for you as celibacy, that is, of course, no benefit at all.Kek
>>18505252It’s kinda funny how zoomie tradtards don’t realize how much sex (within marriage) has been legislated and dissuaded prior to like the 1980s lol. If your cock is chopped, that’s because Puritan attitudes believed that boys need to be tortured to prevent sexual pleasure ever in their lives, within marriage or not.
>>18503636Its not just the west though
>>18505186>adultery and not bathing are good things, actually Astroturfed meme
