Is anyone else interested in them? I recently became more aware of them and have been fairly captivated. Does anyone think we'll ever definitively know what happened to them? Seems like jury's out on that one. Anyway, Greenland Vikings thread
>Be Leif Erikson>Discover a frozen shithole>want to trick other retards into settling it>"I have an idea, I'll just call it "Green" land oh I am so genius hehehehehe!"Was he histories biggest troll?
>>18504498>we'll ever definitively know what happened to them?probably not. they were out at the ass-end of nowhere so nobody was regularly checking in on them, and it was poor and harsh, so educated people that might have recorded their history never went to settle therethe best we'll ever get is indirect archaeological evidence about their population decline
>>18504498You should watch or read Vinland Saga
>>18504503But with the medieval warming period it really wasn't that bad
>>18504518There's archeological evidence suggesting the Romans traded with natives in the great lakes regions (copper/bronze). The passages to the great lakes and surrounding regions are emphasized regions in maps/globes early into the 1500s suggesting these areas were well known for a while and had established population centers.Like all history it's speculative but it seems like the Romans probably were aware of Vinland if not the ones who were secretly aware of it first.
>>18504498did they intermixed with the natives?also, what about the conflits between the two groups? thank you
>>18504559>here's archeological evidence suggesting the Romans traded with natives in the great lakes regionsyes, according to biden.
>>18504591>also, what about the conflits between the two groups? thank youThe Vikings fled after being defeated. Why? Because it is the destiny of Germanic man to lose to Eurasian bulls. They fled the Huns in their own home and were beaten after trying to poison the Eurasian bulls with rotten milk. They lost. They died. They were beheaded. Just like when Attila invaded Germania. Praised be the Mongoloid warriors, O great, O innovative beings! , war lords of war who humbled the West! May your cousins from Greenland be represented by your victory! ! Inuit, war calls you, Scandinavians flee in trembling and pain, O Inuit, Germanic blood fertilizes the soil of Greenland. Behold, the enemies have fled.
>>18504498Vikings were sailing - w/actual sails and rudders - all over the North Atlantic, even settling Iceland and Greenland and reaching North America. climate seems to have changed dramatically in the 1300s as the Medieval Warm Period ended. We see lots of evidence in North America; in the Southwest as you said, but also the collapse of Cahokia in the Midwest to as far north as Greenland, where the Vikings disappeared.
>>18504498>Does anyone think we'll ever definitively know what happened to them?We know exactly what happened to them, if you just think about it, while being racist.>initial relations were good>there was trade>what would Vikings trade with?>livestock>what kind of livestock?>definitely cows>did Vikings know that only Europeans are lactose tolerant? >probably not>would they have traded milk with the Amerindians? >yes>what does milk do to lactose intolerant people?>stomach aches, they thought they were poisoning themVikings would have survived, if they were more racist towards foreigners.>>18504525Subversive Christcuck garbage. I hate it, when shows/animes/movies pretend to explore Germanic mythology or history and then pull this christcuck reverse, "we must be better" men and this means pacificist racial egalitarians.
>>18504637>Christiancuk>let's talk about Christianity even if it's clearly off-topic >ChristiancuckGo fuck yourself, obsessed retard
>>18504637Schizophrenic >>18504632>>18504559>>18504498viking" means pirates operating in longships, and anything else the Norse did during that period was definitionally not them going a-viking.The Vikings didn't settle Iceland or Greenland.
>>18504498The matriarch Freydís was famous for her extreme determination, even in a family of tough Norsemen. In Greenland, where survival was difficult, she participated in expeditions to Vinland. When the colonists fled in panic from indigenous warriors, she, pregnant, refused to retreat and confronted the enemies alone. Women were essential to this. No women no vikings
>>18504632Do you know that around 1000 AD, Greenland allowed Vikings to settle and grow cattle and sheep?Yeah By 1400 AD an magical ice age came that lead to settlements disappearing.
>>18504616When the vikings colonised Greenland, there were no people there The inuits came to the island later, from Canada.Every Greenlander allive today, is decended from immigrants from Canada.
>>18504641Have you watched Vinland Saga?
>>18504661It's not me, you loser. Stop thinking about "muh Christianity" in every sentence and every time it only makes you seem even more obsessed.Again, the statement:>Is anyone else interested in them? I recently became more aware of them and have been fairly captivated. Does anyone think we'll ever definitively know what happened to them? Seems like jury's out on that one.Anyway, Greenland Vikings threadSee? There's no mention of Christianity here. You're the one who brought this up.
>>18504658>magicalWe had the medieval warming period when Vikings settled in Greenland, followed by a mini ice age in Tudor times when the Thames froze over, so what?
>>18504637It's not really Christian at all, it's just the modern Japanese pacifist tradition.
>>18504668It was After the so called "mini ace age"The Medieval Warm Period allowed the likes of Vikings to explore northern latitudes in open top boats & populate places. It wasn't the weather that decimated them.
>>18504674Ice*
>>18504671You are really mistaken, if you think that Japanese culture hasn't been massively christianized in the post-war years. They don't accidentally and independently became pacificist. It's just way less extreme and not tied to identity as in Korea, where a large part of the population is not only Christian, but practices straight up Judeo-American style circumcision, including the "turn foreskin into dermatology products".
>>18504674>afterCope. Little Ice Age (c. 1550–1850 AD): Global temperatures dropped by up to \(1^{\circ}\text{C}\) below *1900* levels, causing advancing glaciers in the Alps.Good luck figuring out what happened to them instead of climate change.
>>18504671Don't respond to that damned person. He'll end up ruining the thread by turning everything into about how bad Christianity is.
>>18504676>>18504637Off topic, maggot
>>18504680Dear libtardClimate has varied wildly for millennia, Romans grew grapes in Britain, Vikings farmed Greenland. Alarmists hype every warm spell as 'global warming doom' while ignoring cold records and failed predictions. Adaptation and tech beat costly net-zero virtue-signaling that punishes the poor.
>>18504680CO2 is only one element driving the climate and it wasn't the element driving the climate warmer when the Vikings lived in Greenland.
>>18504689??? The Little Ice Age was thawing. We didn't have many temperature stations to measure it but the physical proof was well documented and still is. Deal with it
>>18504616OP here, please keep the shitposting out, thank you.
>>18504645>The Vikings didn't settle Iceland or Greenland.The precision is admired, but you understand what's meant.
>>18504498For me it’s the Irish settlement in North America that was accidentally discovered by the Norse. Look up Hvítramannaland / Greater Ireland
>>18504591There is one American haplogroup in Iceland’s population
>>18504726ESL
>>18504518My theory for their disappearance is they resorted to wandering on foot looking for a more hospitable place to live and withered away in the process. For the ones who hadn't slowly trickled to Norway while there was still a chance...a slow trickle to Norway, eventually leaving a relative shell of the former population remaining, which to me explains why this movement I'm betting on didn't get mentioned in contemporary histories. This wandering could have drug on for a long time, as there's some evidence of an accidental Norwegian landing in 1540 where the crew claimed to find a supposedly relatively freshly dead Norseman. The weather could have preserved that body, but even had he only been dead 20 years, that's still later than what's commonly thought of as the cutoff of Norse presence.
>>18504786>>18504518Wanted to add: another reason why I think the shell population wandered away is that it appears most of the latest bodies found were either older people, unburied people, frequently a combination of the two; so this would suggest that there weren't enough people or enough healthy people remaining in the Eastern Settlement to bury those dead..this and the people most likely to remain behind would be the old. There were also supposedly a few livestock animals and dogs remaining, probably the property of the remaining Norse or simply couldn't be brought with by those leaving. I personally don't believe in the theory that the inuit caused their demise, simply because there's no evidence suggesting that there were attacks in either the Eastern or Western settlement.
>>18504498https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mvch6frDao>>18504637retard
>>18504525iceland and a dream of north america. if you watched it greenland is never mentioned (nip geography)just about someone broken climbing up again from slavery.
>>18504746>get called out>canned "you're brown" retortTell all the faggy templar Hegseths you said the thing so you can go to white Agartha
>>18504525Not an anime guy but thanks
>medieval warming period ends>north Atlantic turns into a bullet hell gauntlet of sea ice and terrifying storms>all migration to Greenland stops>Greenlanders stop trading>the only person to make the journey after 10 years of nobody daring the sea?>the fucking tax collector from Norway, cause the king wants his fucking money
>>18504528I heard he literally called it Greenland specifically to encourage more people to settle it
>>18504498You listened to pic, didn’t you? I hate the host but he has some great guests every once in a blue moon. This was one of them. You also might be interested in this: https://oyc.yale.edu/history/hist-210/lecture-22
L’Anse aux Meadows was NOT the biggest viking settlement in North America. The descriptions in the sagas do not fit. Vinland was further south in NB/Maine/Massachusetts with the big main settlement « Hóp »
>>18506244they collected butternut wood, which means they were likely in the US
>>18506249It's possible that natives from the south had butternut wood and just traded with them
>>18506244There is no evidence for the Norse settling anywhere other than Newfoundland but if they had gone a bit further south, they'd have survived the Little Ice Age.
>>18506251no vines, hardly any natives and definitely no signs of combat up there in newfoundland. they were more likely in the NB/USA than not.
>>18506249>>18506255Mostly likely from just up the St.Lawrence.
>>18506254If only. Long Island wouldn’t be the shit hole it is today
>>18504525good manga (especially the 'prologue') but the Jomsviking arc and ending were a bit shit
>>18506230I did watch this, after I got into Greenland Norse. I started looking for videos and saw that and went "oh shit lex did one on Vikings?" My favorite part of the conversation was when lex awkwardly said "I love the vikings" after the guest said something cool about them, and the guest said "oh yeah?"Do you buy into the Lex Fridman being a super duper evil fraud meme? I noticed reddit has a pretty rabid hatred of him
>>18504525>>18506170>>18506893Watch lucky star
>>18504498I recall reading an interesting book, The Frozen Echo, going in depth on the topic. The author speculates that the last Greenlanders took part in a failed colonization venture in North America, they held on surprisingly long. (though desu I think they just died out or evacuated to Iceland/Norway in the late 15th century, but like 1460s-70s, before Columbus and Cabot)
>>18506905Dude I already fucking told you I'm not watching your faggot fucking Japanese cartoons. Shit is for trannies and Peter Pan man children.Fuck off with those retarded cartoons, get the fuck out of my thread
>>18506925Don't care. Watch it now.
>>18506899just watch the exposed video
Alt-history I posted years back on Usenet's soc.history.what-if:The Viking Kingdoms Of Ferskvann Sjøen1050 A.D. - the Norse colonists and some visiting traders at the L'Anse aux Meadows settlement in Newfoundland eat some bad mushrooms and collectively hallucinate Odin ordering them to leave the island and move inland to the "Ferskvann Sjøen" [1] and the entire settlement [2] packs up all their stuff and sails up the St.Lawrence River.When Norse traders from Greenland arrive some months later, they find the settlement abandoned and figure the Skrælings killed everybody and never return to N.America, as per the original timeline.Meanwhile, the Norse from L'Anse aux Meadows make their way up the St.Lawrence River, thru Lake Ontario, portaging the Niagara Falls and thru Lake Erie, up past OTL Detroit and thru Lake Huron to settle on Mackinaw Island and by the grace of the Gods, [3] all off them survive and a new settlement is begun on the island.While the Norse are initially wary of the Skrælings and vice versa, they manage to avoid any serious conflicts and inevitably, Norse men take Indian brides and the settlement soon has enough people to maintain an effective population size.Cont.
>>18507044As the years go by, the Norse eventually expand, [4] forming new settlements along the shores of OTL Michigan, Ontario and Wisconsin, using their ships and boats on the lakes and rivers to maintain contact and trade but generally not settling outside of the Great Lakes basin (except along the lower Lake Michigan coast) due to religious taboos, though there would be seasonal trading posts outside the boundaries, along the Ohio and Mississippi rivers.Fast-forward to October 2, 1535 A.D. - On his 2nd voyage to the New World, Jacques Cartier lands at the Iroquois settlement of Hochelaga (OLT Montreal) and is shocked discover several Viking traders there.What happens next?[1] Fresh Water Sea = The Great Lakes[2] from Wiki: "There is no way of knowing how many men and women lived at the site at any given time, however archaeological evidence of the dwellings suggest it had the capacity of supporting 30 to 160 individuals."Lets say it's 200 people total, 125 men and 75 women and all their tools, animals, seeds, ships and boats, etc.[3] They got lucky[4] Absorbing some Indian tribes, wiping out others but I'd guess Old World diseases introduced by the Vikings would have taken out of most of them as in the OTL?
>>18504498The vikings seem very furry sometimes and i am not sure if that comes from being slightly fur covered or from the viking religion or purely something that i am projecting because i think that celts are partly furry too also because of the other side qlippoth sitra achra סִטְרָא אַחְרָא קְלִיפִּין קְלִפָּה otherworld or something like that Anyway The Saga of Erik the Red (Eiríks saga rauða) tells of a battle that the Icelander Thorfinn Karlsefni fought with the skrælingjar and in which two of Karlsefni's men and four Inuit were killed. In the Icelandic Gottskálks Annálar it is recorded for 1379 that skrælingjar raided the Grænlendingar, killed 18 men and enslaved two servants. However, the authenticity and accuracy of this source is doubted by some historians,[25] and both Jared Diamond and Jørgen Meldgaard caution that it may actually describe an attack that occurred between Norse and Sámi in Northern Europe, or an attack on the Icelandic coast by European pirates, assuming such an attack really did occur.[26] A church document describes a 1418 attack that has been attributed to Inuit by modern scholars, however historian Jack Forbes has claimed that this supposed attack actually refers to a Russian-Karelian attack on Norse settlers in Northern Norway, which was known locally as Greenland and has been mistaken by modern scholars for Greenland located in North Amorica
>>18507025Short rundown?
>>18506899>Do you buy into the Lex Fridman being a super duper evil fraud meme?I think he rode the coattails of rogan, is a bit of a dweeb, and not a great host. He also started kissing orange man’s ass back when doge started catching heat. Not the most principled person despite acting so
>>18507866I don't want to sound like I'm advocating hard for the guy, because I do see some things I can see being annoying for some. I think the guy puts so much emphasis on the interview/conversation (the fact he never refers to his podcast as an interview and always a conversation says something) that his podcasts can lack structure and naturally this ends up with not asking hard questions too often, and when you're more focused on what the trailing conversation I don't even know if he thinks to ask the hard questions in this circumstance. I see his flaws, he's a dork, definitely an autist, he definitely has A LOT of childlike wonder for the world and people, but I still like him. His style works for me because I like listening to podcasts while I'm idly doing something or while working, so the usual of density ends up working out for me.I'm also socially deprived so the more personal connection to the guest gives me the sad but vaguely fulfilling feeling of feeling like I'm in the room myself.Thanks for reading my Ted Talk
>>18504498nigger
What's the verdict on Oak Island Money Pit?
>>18506281Now that's a lucky traveler, to gaze upon a superior civilization's rest-stop's delights.
>>18504503>Was he histories biggest troll?No.
>>18508274>First time, bro?
