Or was it just an extremely elaborate drawn out troll? What if he didn't attain or figure anything out? What if he just told everyone he acquired some fancy state of mind or whatever?>gives up being part of the royal family after seeing how fucked the world is>sits beneath a tree until his asshole starts bleeding>wtf, this is fucking retarded, what am I even doing?>???>ENLIGHTENMENTSeriously, he might as well just say don't do anything at all and cheer up pal, it will be over soon anyway. I mean what could he have possibly found out? He already knew that the world was bullshit and he found out through his ascetic emo phase that hurting yourself doesn't change shit. What is the point of waking up if the idea is to dream while you are still asleep? Buddhists don't really speculate on existence from my understanding. Their whole thing is to transcend desire and reach enlightenment. I have my doubts though. Fancy states of mind don't make the pain of living in this infernal world go away. HURR DURR MUH MENTAL SUFFERING. Yeah whatever, the blister still exists. Everyone has a breaking point, everyone cries like a bitch, just find the right thing to break or twist and if they don't you can just fucking kill them so who cares. I think enlightenment is bullshit because while they are busy taking the arrows out I wonder why the fuck I am even in such a doggydog world in which it is raining arrows. Existence is fucking dogshit, let's not pretend otherwise. Worst thing to have ever happened is being born and knowing the terror of needing to one day die. I don't give a fuck about moksha, enlightenment, satori, the buddhas, samsara or whatever the fuck. That's all bullshit to me. I just want to be as I am with my tormented mind. Like a wretched abused dog hiding in the shade of the dark alleyway whose only respite in this hell is occasionally licking his weiner.
Like a hungry ghost that finds good food but can't fit it through his tiny mouthAnd as he forces it down his throat anyway it bursts into flameSome of us are born into that state where suffering is constantly self inflicted and no respite is availableWhere the hellscape is here on earth, and we walk among the humans but are never truly seen
>>18506588Only the ego can be arrogant. But truth is humble in acknowledging its mightiness, its changelessness and its eternal wholeness, all-encompassing, God's perfect gift to His beloved Son. (https://acim.org/acim/en/s/558#9:2-3 | W-152.9:2-3)
>>18506588these religious systems, including Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam, are systems developed by clergy in some pre-existing tradition and based on the legend of a historical figure for the purpose of disseminating it, because followers aren't just going voluntarily adopt a religious system on their own without some kind of story. Or what, you really thought there was a guy named Ananda who had perfect memory and memorized Buddha's speeches word for word years after his death?I have to break it to you like this but use your common sense.
>>18506588Enlightenment is just realizing that what you think is the subject is just an object of the senses, but on the intuitive level, like if you thought a reflection was real only to find out it was just a reflection. A good example of this is if you ever watched a video where at the start you think it's real but then it's revealed that what you were seeing was just a realistic painting or the reflection of a car. The methodology for achieving this realization is via negativa, it's actually fairly simple and logical. Anything that you can observe is by definition an object of observation and therefore not you. You can inquire into this and/or through jhana cease all conceptual proliferation and identification so you have insight into reality at it's most unfiltered.
>>18506588>Sits in a tree for too long >Starves and excludes himself from society>Realizes this is too extreme >Re-engages with society>Tries meditation again through the "middle path">Gains enlightenment >Initially hesitates to share his enlightenment fearing that people are too retarded to comprehend it(he was correct and you're an example)Enlightenment is "realized" not "attained", anon. Most cases you only realize your own "enlightenment" when you engage with society. Buddha was an exception, that's why he's unique. Buddhism actively promotes enlightenment as a sudden realization just like an Eureka moment.
>>18506588Rich kid dicking around.
>>18506588Buddhists seem to have way less problems just existing compated to mindbroken christkeks and abrahamists so maybe.
>>18506616This. It's just a realization
>>18506588Some types of suffering are so base and visceral that if they catch you unprepared, Buddhist practice is unlikely to help you. For example, if you're starving to death, it's of course a manifestation of the suffering Buddhism aims to free you from, but no one expects you to meditate your hunger away. If you asked a Buddhist monk for help, he would give you his loaf of bread and meditate on his own hunger. But once you're satiated enough to be able to reflect on the cycle of hunger and satiation lucidly, you're in the territory of existential suffering, where you may benefit from the other kind of help. Maybe the Buddha had to go through the ascetic stage because it's the surest way to see that all suffering is existential suffering if you know how to suffer lucidly.Now, I have no doubt that people who waste their time posting bait online know something about existential suffering. But if you genuinely don't understand the Buddha's point, you're just not suffering enough yet. It needs to be bad enough that you wanna make it stop. With a naive earnestness. No matter if it costs you your intellectual pride, your dearest and most harmful beliefs, your whole identity... Only then can you look at your own patterns and see the accuracy the Buddhist diagnosis, with startling clarity, where previously you couldn't see past its deceptive obviousness. Ironically, you have to experience the desire to get rid of desire - i.e. existential suffering distilled to the core - quite intensely before Buddhism starts to make sense. Yes, it's cringe, but I believe it.
Excessive detachment is stupid.
>>18506601>Or what, you really thought there was a guy named Ananda who had perfect memory and memorized Buddha's speeches word for word years after his death?Yes, you projecting mutt.
>>18506918>Excessive detachment is stupid.That's why Buddha came up with the middle way, retard. He practiced excessive detachment as an ascetic and found that it was not the way to nirvana.
>>18506616Attain, realize, tomato, tomahto.
>>18506602Great, so I guess I am already enlightened then by attaining, sorry, realizing that this is an infernal mock existence of no enduring value.
>>18506601>I have to break it to you like this but use your common sense.I do. That is why I say it is all bullshit. Karma and rebirth are just silly copes for the fact that life is asymmetric and doesn't owe you the opportunity to "realize" states of mind. If we discard such bullshit like rebirths we would have to assume that the dead dumpster baby was born enlightened. Otherwise oh, no, it is punishment for the previous life, which is nonsense in my opinion because there doesn't really seem to be any logic to the destructive whims of the world. Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I guess you could say the "it" is reborn, but that is a universal quality I think, not something tied to you as an individual and "soul", another bullshit concept. To just wrongly assume that grave misfortune is the result of bad previous lives is complete retardation and bullshit. I genuinely do sleep on the floor, that is why I don't need rebirths. I accept total annihilation. Call it my arrogant ego if it makes you feel better about needing to continue when I already realize it is game over before it even starts. The game sucked dick when I came pun nintendo and it will suck harder dick when I leave, that's not an opinion, it's a fact.
>>18506913>It needs to be bad enough that you wanna make it stop. With a naive earnestness. No matter if it costs you your intellectual pride, your dearest and most harmful beliefs, your whole identity...Release? Like an itch that needs a scratch? Like a ripe pimple that needs to be popped?
>>18506598>Like a hungry ghost that finds good food but can't fit it through his tiny mouth>And as he forces it down his throat anyway it bursts into flameNo, more like a ghost that feeds off your loosh and discomfort when your silly belief systems are under intense scrutiny.
>>18506616Of course he is going to fear telling everyone because they will try to obviously call out his bullshit when he says he is able to basically bust a nut continuously with nothing more than his mind whereas other people have to do drugs to do that. I had that "Eureka" moment too, usually after taking a shit or playing with my twinkie. That must be what "spiritual elevation" feels like. Like a load, pun nintendo, lifted off your shoulders.
>>18507214>>18507254>>18507274Literal bot posts.
>>18507214Annihilationists are embarrassing lol.
>>18506588>HURR DURR MUH MENTAL SUFFERING>knowing the terrorHow does a state of fact cause you suffering. Buddhism tackles this.>I just want to be as I am with my tormented mindThis sadism seems like its coming from the "MUH MENTAL SUFFERING". If you've accepted being tormented all your life as a state that can never get better, then thats your choice.
>>18507495>If you've accepted being tormented all your life as a state that can never get better, then thats your choice.Some may even call this realization of radical acceptance nirvana. KSK KSK KSK
>>18507440Buddhism is embarrassing. You need rebirths and evil past lives to explain away misfortune instead of simply accepting that one person's luck is not that same as another person's luck. Tsunami hit Japan? Yikes, must've been a bad past life, sucks to suck. Stupid ass beliefs, but keep believing in them if they bring you comfort I guess.
>>18507436That is rich coming from an NPC looking for elevated states of mind that probably don't exist or are realistically unobtainium for most people.
>>18507570That's great, now read up on how the Buddhist dharma actually works.
You went on about the buddha but just seemed like an insufferable edgelord teenager, congrats you are enlightened.
>>18507627You tell me, since you are such a scholar of the literature. Don't talk to me about karma and rebirths though because I will stop reading.
>>18506685This.>>18507644>insufferable edgelord teenagerLike the twat that left his family to go "find himself" and came up with a cringe religion?
>>18507570>Tsunami hit Japan? Yikes, must've been a bad past life, sRead https://suttacentral.net/sn36.21/en/bodhi?lang=en&reference=none&highlight=false>when those ascetics and brahmins hold such a doctrine and view as this, ‘Whatever a person experiences, whether it be pleasant or painful or neither-painful-nor-pleasant, all that is caused by what was done in the past,’ they overshoot what one knows by oneself and they overshoot what is considered to be true in the world>Bile, phlegm, and also wind,>Imbalance and climate too,>Carelessness and assault,>With kamma result as the eighth.
>>18507570Karma is just causality applied to volition, in other words, actions have consequences. It's not that everything that happens, good or bad, is the result of karma, because obviously not everything is in your control. In regards to how this affects rebirth, the mental impressions that are the result of volition, mental and physical, influence your rebirth. So no, just because something bad or good happens to someone doesn't mean it's the result of karma, karma is not a moral judge that dishes out rewards or punishments based on your behavior.
>>18506588he did not quite grasp wu wei, but he came close, which isnt good enough.
>>18507570Buddhism doesn't teach karmic determinism. The Buddha rejects the view that >‘Everything this individual person experiences—pleasurable, painful, or neutral—is because of past deeds.’ https://suttacentral.net/an3.61/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latiImo a way to understand it is that everything a person experiences depends on their karma, but not everything a person experiences is due to their karma. For example, a person might, as a result of their karma, be reborn as a human. But if someone steals from them, that's the other person's karma, not their own karma. Their own karma made them vulnerable to it because it led them to be reborn in a world where such things are liable to happen, but it didn't directly cause the other person to act to steal from them.And imo this can also extend to natural disasters. Although a person's karma may lead them to be born in a certain place where a natural disaster is going to happen, there doesn't need to be anything in their karmic history such that the natural disaster is a clear tit-for-tat punishment in response to their own actions. Maybe they were only reborn there due to attachments to the place, and the stream of cause and effect that caused the disaster is largely independent of them.What's appealing about belief in karma isn't that it's a perfect justice system. It's that it makes it theoretically possible to greatly influence your fate on the scale of many lifetimes: at the mundane level by increasing your probability of having better lives and being reborn in better places, and, at the supramundane level, it's sufficient to get you out of the system entirely.
>>18507692>the mental impressions that are the result of volition, mental and physical, influence your rebirth.Let me guess, you believe in chakras too.
>>18506601>Or what, you really thought there was a guy named Ananda who had perfect memory and memorized Buddha's speeches word for word years after his death?Actually yes, people from pre-literate societies could memorize an insane amount of informationLook up how the Vedas were transmitted
>>18507707>It's that it makes it theoretically possible to greatly influence your fate on the scale of many lifetimes: at the mundane level by increasing your probability of having better lives and being reborn in better places, and, at the supramundane level, it's sufficient to get you out of the system entirely.There you go again. You have to embellish the simple concepts of action, cause and effect. You think you can bargain with the universe for a better life and maybe even to be released from this mortal coil trapped in this inferno entirely. You can't, buddy ole pal. You better get /comfy/ because you are here with me, forever. You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
>>18506588On a dark desert highwayCool wind in my hairWarm smell of colitasRising up through the airUp ahead in the distanceI saw a shimmering lightMy head grew heavy and my sight grew dimI had to stop for the nightThere she stood in the doorwayI heard the mission bellAnd I was thinking to myselfThis could be heaven or this could be hellThen she lit up a candleAnd she showed me the wayThere were voices down the corridorI thought I heard them sayWelcome to the Hotel CaliforniaSuch a lovely place (such a lovely place)Such a lovely facePlenty of room at the Hotel CaliforniaAny time of year (any time of year)You can find it hereHer mind is Tiffany-twistedShe got the Mercedes-Benz, uhShe got a lot of pretty, pretty boysThat she calls friendsHow they danced in the courtyardSweet summer sweatSome dance to rememberSome dance to forgetSo I called up the captain"Please bring me my wine"He said, "We haven't had that spirit here since 1969"And still those voices are calling from far awayWake you up in the middle of the nightJust to hear them sayWelcome to the Hotel CaliforniaSuch a lovely place (such a lovely place)Such a lovely faceThey're livin' it up at the Hotel CaliforniaWhat a nice surprise (what a nice surprise)Bring your alibisMirrors on the ceilingThe pink champagne on iceAnd she said, "We are all just prisoners hereOf our own device"And in the master's chambersThey gathered for the feastThey stab it with their steely knivesBut they just can't kill the beastLast thing I rememberI was running for the doorI had to find the passage backTo the place I was before"Relax, " said the night man"We are programmed to receiveYou can check out any time you likeBut you can never leave"
>>18507733Nice try, Mara disguised as Satan. But I'm going to keep being optimistic because there's no benefit to not being optimistic. If Buddhism is wrong about what's possible, then I'll be marginally happier for being deluded about it. If Buddhism is right about what's possible, then then believing it is the first step to achieving it.
>>18507707>muh karma applies across lifetimesDid you ever once humor that might not be the case? It could just be a chaotic monster scratching its ass and flicking a booger that is in charge of rebirths. You could've been a virtuous saint, but now you are born with ass cancer and a deformed leg because lols, that's why. Stop trying to reason about the beast. It just does what it does without rhyme or reason. It might make us feel good to think there is a cosmic order, but is there really? I don't think so. There is no reason to believe it does besides maybe the principle of life itself, but just because it is chaotic doesn't mean it can never go into temporary arrangements of order. The self that persists between lives doesn't exist, unless you just mean the witnessing self that doesn't carry over anything. Concepts like karma and rebirths are forms of clinging to divine justice which in my view doesn't fucking exist because there is nothing connecting the lives besides the silver screen of experience.
>>18506588"Vast emptiness, no holiness" -Enlightened Sage Master Hu Phlung Pooh *probably*
>>18507652Buddha wasn't a determinist while Schopenhauer was.
>>18507715Notice how you ignored the parts of the post explaining the dharma that doesn't explicitly reference rebirth.I swear, materialists are like obstinate children that need to find disagreements wherever they go.
>>18507758>Concepts like karma and rebirths are forms of clinging to divine justice NTA but you'd have to be a complete retard to look at non-dualism and think "justice" is an assumption baked anywhere in these systems.
>>18507791It is what is implied if we want to go down the road of saying that karma influences separate lifetimes as if we had "souls" Personally, I think it is over when it is over. I guess you could play the game that the next life is still me in some deep woowoo, but I doesn't change anything, there is no thread connecting the 2 experiences besides the capacity to take a point of view.
>>18507779>Buddha wasn't a determinist while Schopenhauer was.What difference does it make? We still live in an ephemeral pocket monster world. Whether I want to say I have free will, no will or an illusion of it, the world is still complete ass and that is why all religions need to embellish it with all these silly stories and systems. I'm just a hellhound exhausted of it all. Sometimes not even biting my nutsack to relieve the itch makes me happy anymore. Schopenhauer, pain is positive, pleasure is negative, yadda yadda.
>>18507743>Nice try, Mara disguised as Satan. But I'm going to keep being optimistic because there's no benefit to not being optimistic. If Buddhism is wrong about what's possible, then I'll be marginally happier for being deluded about it. If Buddhism is right about what's possible, then then believing it is the first step to achieving it.So Pascal's wager basically? Your life as a pathetic insect trapped inside a blind idiot God's fever dream is fine so long as you can delude yourself otherwise. It isn't just the sound of silence, but the noise of the meatgrinder that we can't stand. Everyone has stories they cling to give them hope in an otherwise broken and pointless world. Knowing I am an ant that could easily be crushed at anytime for no reason at all amplifies my pain. The awareness echo feedback chamber gone berserk of knowing in a way I am already dead.
>>18507732It's highly unlikely compared to the simple and repeat pattern throughout history, which is that monks compiled the text and then attributed that to a prominent figure based on a tradition. What you have is faith in a traditional account, which is fine every religion has those kind of people.
>>18507570Why do people that don't understand a topic feel the need to vomit out gotcha points?90% of discussions on /his/ are just this, midwits vomiting gotcha points about a topic they barely comprehend
>>18507274>whereas other people have to do drugs to do thatDrugs make you careless and numb that's not "Nirvana" lol. And that "Eureka moment" is only realized after deep moments of meditation oand unique tests and situations. Post nut awareness isn't Nirvana.
>>18508021>Why do people that don't understand a topic feel the need to vomit out gotcha points?Because you don't even understand what the fuck you are talking about when you say crazy shit like karma influencing next lives without justification besides trust me bro.
>>18508089Buddha didn't even believe in Karmic determinism.
It's not skillful means to try to teach Dharma to someone whose innate faculties and predilections cause him to naturally be hostile towards the DharmaI think the skillful means here would be to show compassion towards the OP, to try to make him feel understood by someone in his suffering. To see accurately what causes and circumstances brought him to that place. To show loving kindness.There's almost never a reason to engage in arguments.
>>18508023>Drugs make you careless and numb that's not "Nirvana" lol. And that "Eureka moment" is only realized after deep moments of meditation o>and unique tests and situations. Post nut awareness isn't Nirvana.Drugs also alter your state of mind and perception. It is why people do them. It is seeing beyond this limited world for the rest of us that cain't wait under a booty tree until we get hemorrhoids. The Buddha basically claims that he able to have post nut clarity forever after without busting a nut, of course I got to call out bullshit on that. Maybe it is possible, but most people I would argue have no patience for these types of mind games. He might just be a clever troll that got tired of getting blisters on his ass waiting for something cool to happen, you never know.
>>18508097>It's not skillful means to try to teach Dharma to someone whose innate faculties and predilections cause him to naturally be hostile towards the DharmaIt is also not skillful to believe in nonsense. Dharma doesn't exist. You are applying a system of politics and morals to a world of maggots. It's practical, yes, to live well with others and what have you, but that's it. It's not universal or cosmic law. >I think the skillful means here would be to show compassion towards the OP, to try to make him feel understood by someone in his suffering. To see accurately what causes and circumstances brought him to that place. To show loving kindness.The causes and circumstances is life itself in a broken and pointless world. We could all be wiped out tomorrow and our souls wouldn't get spiritual points because of it leading to a better form of existence or to none whatsoever.>There's almost never a reason to engage in arguments.Yes there is. To clear delusion. There is nothing that would be carried over from life to life to merit rebirth as a useful concept. Memories of past lives? That shit never happens to me for some reason, I wonder why. Is it because I am a hangry ghost that feeds off people's vexation? Maybe.
>>18508092>Buddha didn't even believe in Karmic determinism.He probably didn't believe in anything whatsoever. I'm telling you, he got exhausted from sitting beneath that tree and just said, screw this. The Noble Truth:Try not to be a cunt.The Path:Do the sneedful.Wow, profound such philosophy, much impress.
nowadays antidepressants exists so you don't have to act like a pretend knowitall with nothing to back his spurious claimsread the first few chapters or zarathustran and the chapter on morality as counter nature in the twilight of idols. All of this is a big cope.admit that you have no experimental proof to back up your claims and made shit up.Or not but surely you will live with the lifelong frustration of wanting to act on something you formally rationalized, but finding yourself unable to match the two, because you are unaware that your decisions and actions are really influenced by your hormonal profile, your experiences as a child, and the strategies your brain has cooked up for you. There is no karma, only the very common base rate fallacy, return to the mean, selection bias towards narratives that satisfies the lazy brain, and ignorance.the world is what you get, the body is your world also, it is outside of your reach
>>18508131>All of this is a big cope.What isn't? Just listening to my own tortured stream of consciousness in silence without a care about any literature whatsoever?
>>18508126You've probably had a lot of trauma in your life and I'm sorry. I'm honestly sorry that the world is the way it is and wish I could make it better.I have often felt frustrated at the world, and unseen and uncared for by others. I've often felt like if people would just put more effort into not being awful, we could make things better, but that no one wants to listen to suggestions about not stealing and lying and deceiving and harming and taking advantage of each other. The average person does those things as naturally as breathing and it's awful. It's made me want to give up and hide in a cave, or just be dead.I'm not trying to say I know what your suffering has been like, but I do think I have known suffering. And I don't want other people with good souls like yours who just wish things could be better sometimes, to be made to suffer so unfairly. You don't deserve any of that pain.If we met in real life I wish that I could show you even the smallest modicum of kindness.
>>18508131>admit that you have no experimental proof to back up your claims and made shit up.I'm an amateur scifi writer. I get the pass, because at least I admit it is freshly served straight from the bull's asshole.
>>18508141>You've probably had a lot of trauma in your life and I'm sorry. I'm honestly sorry that the world is the way it is and wish I could make it better.Maybe the horror world is just something in my mind that I created to cope with the fact that life doesn't owe us much of anything at all. How could I believe in cosmic order and God(s) when I could easily be squished like an ant at anytime for no reason at all. The feeling of it. Always feeling on edge, as if there is an imminent doom trying to crush you. I guess it was between feeling as if I was going to die as a child, knowing a classmate of mine died in a car accident, fixation on gore videos as a teenager. One of the videos had a young guy trying to dive into a body of water below, but instead he hit his face on a concrete slab that split his face in two and then he died a couple days later. The other showed college students enjoying their vacation next to a dormant waterfall, but then there was a sudden change and the water started pouring out very quickly and they all died. There are countless videos of this. The awful things imaginable can be found especially on this website. I fixate on that. I obsess about it, how life is such a whacked out random thing that doesn't seem to have coherence in the grand scheme of things. At least that is how I feel. Locally, on the level of life there is order and things make sense, but I never felt this for the grand scheme of things. So what, I am a complicated ant farm? I am also an ant deserving of death at any time and that heartache obsession of mine is why I feel like a stranger in the world.
>>18508141>You've probably had a lot of trauma in your life and I'm sorry. I'm honestly sorry that the world is the way it is and wish I could make it better.Honestly, I don't think I have that much trauma, I just obsess about it more than the average joe because I actively reject all copes. It may even be a sick fascination of mine. I don't know. It's like a burning ache from feeling as if is just nihilism. The acute awareness of the indignation of simply being a silly little creature. It's like wanting to jump out of my own skin, but being unable to. I resent being alive, because if I simply did not exist, I wouldn't renounce anything. I wouldn't have to kill myself or wait to die either.
>>18508141Maybe it is true that the fruit of knowledge was the fall of man. Is that why keeping life going is directly opposed to efforts of transcendence? Imagine how much easier our lives would be to be a mindless foul wild beast simply doing as it does as opposed to being tragically aware of the whole thing. We became so smart we wanted to stop being.
>>18508129Why did you feel the need to say something about Buddhism that wasn't true? I'm not defending Buddhism here, I'm calling you out for your sheer stupidity and lack of knowledge on the subject yet the smugness in your "gotcha moments" that you vomit out.
>>18508141I guess I'm just a coward, a big baby when it comes to death because even newborns know how to die. It's easy, it is just *pop* like a bubble. Imagine my embarrassment, I am a grown ass man with a hairy ass and I still don't know how to die yet.
>>18508172>Why did you feel the need to say something about Buddhism that wasn't true?Because it makes you seethe uncontrollably like a bitch on her period.
>>18508101>Drugs also alter your state of mind and perceptionExtreme brain damage also alters your state of mind, is that nirvana? no >but most people I would argue have no patience for these types of mind gamesThat's why he initially hesitated to share, he thought people were too caught up in material existence and attachment to comprehend his teachings(he was correct). But he did try and now Buddhism is a word religion. >He might just be a clever troll that got tired of getting blisters on his ass waiting for something cool to happen, you never know.That's why he taught his disciples to question even his own teachings, he told his followers to "look within". In order to avoid dogma and superstition.I'm not a Buddhist, anon neither am I trying to pitch it to you but it seems that you severely misunderstand what it means like most people in the west do which includes both the screeching Christian apologists and old white women having an identity crisis.
>>18508178So...you were just trolling? Also, where did you get the idea that I was "seething" making up your own victories lmao
>>18508185>So...you were just trolling?>Also, where did you get the idea that I was "seething" making up your own victories lmao
>>18508150>>18508159>>18508163>>18508174I see you. You're not just yelling out into a void pointlessly, because I can hear you.I wish that there were more people like you in the world, because the more people there are who can see what's wrong without doing mental gymnastics to try to justify it as unchangeable, the more likely things are to eventually get better. I was told once something like "The world belongs to the discontent," because those are the people most likely to try to change the status quo.And for that same reason, I hope you find a way to keep going without killing yourself. I would be deeply saddened if I found out someone like you had taken their own life.I have no desire to try to give you advice about your life. I won't tell you that you should try doing this or that, or that you're wrong about this or that and need to believe in this or that dogma instead. I don't want to give you empty platitudes about how none of this actually matters, or that the problem is somehow with you just not having the right mindset. I know none of that is helpful.I won't even say things like "I'll pray for you," or "I'll recite sutras or make offerings to the Buddha in your name" or any of those nonsense things that people say mainly to make their own selves feel better or less guilty. If someone wanted to do those kinds of things they should just do them without saying it.But I want you to know you're not alone. I'm here as a witness to your suffering and I honestly wish I could make it better, even though I know I can't. There are probably other people like us watching without saying anything, too, because they don't see the point.I wish people like you didn't have to suffer in those ways and if I could take it on myself and experience all of it for you I would, because someone like you could make a lot of good changes in the world if they didn't have that burden of suffering weighing them down.
>>18508184Just because he tells you to look nword doesn't make him any less of a troll. I'm just saying there is always that possibility. All we have is just trust me bro, and look nword rael hard until you find it yourself.
>>18508185>>18508205I wonder if the negative entities obviously attached to some anons on this website can distinguish between real loosh and placebo loosh. Maybe it takes a while for the loosh to ship over long distances, so they're functionally going in blind most of the time.
>>18508126>It is also not skillful to believe in nonsense. Dharma doesn't exist. You deserve to die. I am 100% serious about this.>"Since icchantikas are incapable of belief, killing them would be blameless, whereas people who believe reach the state of Buddhahood." -Bodhidharma
>>18508206I guess it's like that one bad day the Joker talked about in the Batman. The hueman coondition being so unbearably awful that your only response is to sardonically laugh at the absurdity of your shituation. Foolish me thinking I could realize peace of mind. I don't know if I could offer my arm up like Huike to someone like the Bodhidharma only to be told that my mind is pacified when I fail to find it. Did he achieve some form of wisdom or state of mind that goes beyond words that stilled his tormented mind? Maybe, but I have no faith in anything and it shows. I guess my fate is to struggle like a disgusting slug when salt is poured onto it.
>>18508235>You deserve to die. I am 100% serious about this.Don't make me laugh, maggot.
>>18508235I am the very archfiend himself. A primordial destructive force of nature. You cannot kill me even if you were to burn my cursed body. I am a virus that has already cast seeds of doubts into your soul.
>>18508240>"Just as no sinful karma will be engendered when one digs the ground, mows grass, fells trees, cut corpses into pieces and scolds and whips them, the same is true when one kills an icchantika, for which deed also no sinful karma will arise." ~Mahaparinirvana SutraAlso>maggotMaggots can possess buddha-nature, icchantika cannot.
>>18508235>Kill the unbelievers!Where have I heard that before? Oh yes, the religion of piss, Islam. Just because I am a burnt seed and a creature of the dark doesn't mean I deserve death. I cannot believe even if I wanted to. It is tattooed on my very being. Satanos Machina. I knew it, you're just like all the rest. Holy men who deny their own shit on their knees.
>>18508255>HURR DURR THE WORMS IN THE SHIT CAN POSSESS MY FAIRY TALE STATE OF BEINGThat settles it. Nirvana doesn't exist, and if it does it is a worthless state of being only a tapeworm would try to realize.
>>18508258>>Kill the unbelievers!That's correct. Not believing in the universal law of cause and effect is downright Christcuck tier.
>>18508263>>HURR DURR THE WORMS IN THE SHITWorms improve soil health, which in turn increases biodiversity. Although their introduction to the Americas has caused unintended disastrous effects on account of their chewing through the natural foliage barrier that protects trees during winter time, but I digress.>That settles it. Nirvana doesn't exist, and if it does it is a worthless state of being only a tapeworm would try to realize.Still not seeing the moral argument against the immediate termination of your life.
>>18508281>Still not seeing the moral argument against the immediate termination of your life.Ditto. You belong in a mad house with me if you think maggots can achieve nirvana, but a certain class of humans can't for some reason. I was born. I didn't ask to be here, but I am going to continue to exist, the beautifully ugly bastard that I am and there is nothing you can do about that.
>>18506588tldr
>>18508266>Not believing in my version of fairy tales means deathI'm surprised to read that coming form the Bodhidharma. I'm sure there is an appropriate context, he meant it figuratively, or whatever. Would he consider Nagarjuna a nasty wretched *gasp* unbeliever? I guess it's like that one that goes "If you see the Buddha on the road, KILL HIM!" In a way I am better at your faith than you, because I don't need for there to be answers. Not knowing is fine. It's not nihilism, it's humility, but none of you religious assholes ever want to just "not know things"
>>18508291>but a certain class of humans can't for some reason.Humanism is false. In the 21st century alone, humans have failed to align with the dharma and have invented countless catastrophes after catastrophes in the vain pursuit of progress. As it stands, humanity is on its own path to annihilation, which it would honestly be a preferable scenario than if humanity continued to thrive.
>>18508297I don't care. It is sour grapes for me. Call it my unnaturally itchy asshole. INB4 HEEHEE EVEN MUH PARAMECIUM CAN ATTAIN NIBBANA, BUT YOU CAINT, SUCKS TO SUCK
>>18508305It's false to you, but I don't label you an unbeliever and say you should be murdered because of that, let's not go the way of the religion of piss, Islam. People are free to be unbelievers in your silly rules, and I know it makes you seethe. Everyone has a 12 step program to make everything right, but it never does and it never will.
>>18508302>I'm surprised to read that coming form the Bodhidharma. That's because you didn't read him and still believe the western hippie sanitized buddhism taught to you by Alan Watts is the "real" zen.>I'm sure there is an appropriate context, he meant it figuratively, or whatever.Why does it matter if he meant it in a literal or metaphorical sense? What is being described is simple: If you do not believe, then your "death" is of no ultimate consequence. >Would he consider Nagarjuna a nasty wretched *gasp* unbeliever?No idea why you're bringing Nagarjuna into this. Either way, things today are not remotely the same in Nagarjuna's day. The dharma changes too.>guess it's like that one that goes "If you see the Buddha on the road, KILL HIM!" In a way I am better at your faith than you, because I don't need for there to be answers. Not knowing is fine. It's not nihilism, it's humility, but none of you religious assholes ever want to just "not know things"Humility at its most extreme is nihilism.
>>18508314I don't care. Most of you are dysgenic and deserve to die.
>>18508305>countless catastrophes after catastrophesYeah, it's called the human condition. Following "cosmic" laws isn't going to change that. I mean, we are already following God given *allegedly* cosmic laws and it hasn't changed shit. The world is just as bad as it seems, but I know your whole thing is to call me a ill filthy sick nasty demon unbeliever and be done with it.Who hurt you that bad bro that you are turning Buddhism into Islam? Was it the burning guy in Vietnam?#NeverFroget#NeverFrogive
>>18508318>I don't care. Most of you are dysgenic and deserve to die.Very Buddhist of you. If you need to change religions, consider Islam, you'll fit right in with the beheadings of unbelievers and such.
>>18508316>DONT BRING NAGARJUNA INTO ANY OF THIS, THE DHARMA CHANGES RRRREEEEELoooL, your ideal "dharma" is in the Muslim faith brother.
>>18508316>What is being described is simple: If you do not believe, then your "death" is of no ultimate consequence.Are you in a cult? Why would you choose to interpret that in the worst way? Because your beliefs may be challenged? Because I pissed you off and dickslapped the buddha across the face?>INB4 RRREEEE YOU MUST DIE YOU DYSGENIC UNBELIEVERLadies and gentlemen, he has realized piss of mind, LoL
>>18508319>Yeah, it's called the human condition.No. Humans were never meant to live like this. Something went wrong when we happened upon industrialism for the very first time. >Following "cosmic" laws isn't going to change that.Are you a retard? Causality is trivially true and precedes the emergent physical reality we witness on a day to day basis. If you deny this; whether or not you dislike how it affects you personally, then you deny any sort of external world could exist as well. Curious how paper thin the line between skepticism and solipsism seems to be after the slightest bit of prodding.>Who hurt you that bad bro that you are turning Buddhism into Islam?I sincerely more westerners do end up viewing Buddhism that way so they can finally fuck off.>>18508320>>18508324>>18508326What substantiates your belief that your death would incur any dharmic penalty?
>>18508328*sincerely hope more
>>18508328>What substantiates your belief that your death would incur any dharmic penalty?What substantiates your belief that I care about the dharma when I squish you like the insect you are?
Being born with an innate affinity for the Buddha Dharma is one of the most fortunate circumstances possible for anyoneAnd I think it's sad how many people have that good fortune and then squander it by being dogmatic and contentious and never even attempting to cultivate compassionIt says in the Mahavairocana Sutra, when Vajrapani asks the Buddha Vairocana to explain the true essence of the Buddha's wisdom:>佛言 菩提心為因 悲為根本 方便為究竟The Buddha said: The Bodhi-mind is its cause, compassion is its root basis, and skillful means are its culminationI think about this passage whenever I think about compassionIt's only when we cultivate true, universal and unconditional compassion, as exemplified by Avalokitesvara, that we can begin to develop the equanimous and non-discriminating mind of a Bodhisattva or Arhat
>>18508331You wouldn't do shit because you're bitch built.
>>18508334>You wouldn't do shit because you're bitch built.Wow, such wisdom. Buddha must be smiling upon you from the heebin for having realized piss of mind.
>>18508328Causality is a mental construction and the extreme view is that we are just determined automatons. I don't deny the world, maybe I do unconsciously, who knows. What I can say is that I don't believe people should be murdered because they disagree with my tribe's values and superstitious beliefs. Let's just say I have a little less sympathy for Tibet if this is how some of you are. Maybe you deserve to be dominated and I guarantee you that those people conquering you don't give a fuck about dharma, Chuddha.
>>18508334You would be an unbeliever incapable of belief in anything too if your trust in life was completely broken beyond repair. Where was God, the Buddha, the cosmic order of things when disaster strikes? Sleeping on the job as usual? We don't need a hero. We can save ourselves.
>>18507570>You need rebirths and evil past lives to explain away misfortuneOnly if by "misfortune" you mean the seemingly innate psychological proclivity many people have to make everything worse for themselves and others. Being born to a Western individualist female who immediately flushes you down the toilet isn't something Buddhists attribute to karma.
Imagine you're thrown into a lion's den. You can get a ladder out if you ask for it, or you can just calmly sit there and watch the lion to tear you into pieces.Here's the question. Would you just sit there calmly, without any desires to get out (having no desire is good in Buddhism), and just be aware of the lion tearing you down to pieces? Or would the "ego" kick in, and would you scream for the ladder like a little pig?>well, let me think of all this spiritual buddhist stuff and everything later, but for now just gimme the ladder gimme the ladder!To me it seems like the person who just wants the ladder would be humble, admitting his weakness. Whereas a buddhist monk who would choose to just sit there would be prideful and arrogant, like he has something to prove.
>>18508418>To me it seems like the person who just wants the ladder would be humble, admitting his weakness. Whereas a buddhist monk who would choose to just sit there would be prideful and arrogant, like he has something to prove.Most buddhist monks would agree with you here. The problem with your braindead "argument" is that climbing the ladder has nothing to do with "desire". "Desire" would be spending your last moment desperately looking for a ladder that isn't and can't possibly be there when you could spend them in peace instead.
>>18508418>To me it seems like the person who just wants the ladder would be humble, admitting his weakness. Whereas a buddhist monk who would choose to just sit there would be prideful and arrogant, like he has something to prove.I think they would say something to the effect of highlighting the difference between a stone buddha and a living one that might go Ouch! if you kick him in the balls. Also, they might also bring up the difference between their idea of conventional truth and ultimate truth. Conventional truth is that the ego is useful and we need to defend ourselves from scary animals. Ultimate truth is that it is all one, it is the unmanifest, the unborn and other woowoo crap that feels nice to say and listen to, but is completely impractical. INB4 YOU NO BELIEVE IN DHARMA, YOU GET THE STABBY STAB!
>>18508421>when you could spend them in peace instead.Yes, the peace of getting torn to shreds by a hungry lion.
>>18508418>Whereas a buddhist monk who would choose to just sit there would be prideful and arrogant, like he has something to prove.Depends if the monk is one of those idiots lighting themselves on fire. I guess the protesting one gets a pass. The tension between life preservation and transcendence. From my understanding, they don't fuck a lot, if it all. That's obviously a huge hindrance in continuing their meme religion and dogma.
>>18508426You're not being torn to shreds by a lion until you're actually being torn to shreds by a lion. I get finding Buddhism intuitively uncompelling but I never get how people manage to get intellectually filtered by it the way you do.
>>18508421Wouldn't the desire to be free of desire be unskillful? How can you propagate your ways, if you won't let them have a woman? Iz dey gon hab each other?
>>18506913The true way is to conquer life, for the lack of better way of phrasing it. If you suffer, then battle through it. If life is suffering, then battle through it. People who are extremely successfull battled through extreme suffering amd havoc in their life, and it paid off. Are you bullied in school for being fat? A coward would listen to buddhism and meditate away negative emotions. A real and honorable person would go to the gym like no-one has ever gone before, and become so ripped that the bullies would be scared to even talk to him ever again. This is how you should view life and existence if you will. Everything in life and existence sgould be viewed through the same fatty going to the gym mentality. Instead of trying to get rid of desires, do something to fulfill your desires instead.
>>18508429>You're not being torn to shreds by a lion until you're actually being torn to shreds by a lion.Alright then, the Buddhist monk had a split nanosecond of calm before he became kitty food. That is the selling point of Buddhism. They have these stories about monks facing the threat of being beheaded or scalped with their nerves of steel. Part of my skepticism is that these states of mind are not always possible to achieve and are not always worth it. If we all tried to become enlightened sages instead of having a normal human experience we would go extinct.
>>18508421My argument is that you would be forced to look for the ladder. You would be so scared that you would instinctively desire for the ladder. You would beg for the ladder by screaming and tears coming out from your eyes. Any normal or humble person would admit that this is how they would handle the situation. By claiming that climbing the ladder has nothing to do with desire, you are making an utter retard out of yourself. What do you think the word desire means?
>>18508446>the Buddhist monk had a split nanosecond of calm before he became kitty food. That is the selling point of Buddhism.From the perspective of someone who thinks he's going to get eaten by any moment now, maybe.
>>18508447They renounce life. The idea for them is to basically die while still alive. I believe Nietzsche wrote about renunciation philosophies like Buddhism. He criticized them for being life denying.
>>18508455>From the perspective of someone who thinks he's going to get eaten by any moment now, maybe.Point is, the enlightened sage is past the point of caring. Do you think getting "blown out" *pun nintendo* is for everyone? I don't.
>*...*Reddit-trained spambot.
>>1850658830 years a neet? definitionally did figure it all out.
>>18508447>you would be forced to look for the ladder. You would be so scared that you would instinctively desire for the ladder. You would beg for the ladder by screaming and tears coming out from your eyes. You're projecting your own psychology onto a hypothetical monk. Does a pilot crash-land a plane by being scared, screaming and crying? Does a warrior win a battle against the odds that way? >Any normal or humble person would admit that this is how they would handle the situation.Normal people aren't trained to handle extreme situations with level-headed calmness.>By claiming that climbing the ladder has nothing to do with desire, you are making an utter retard out of yourself. What do you think the word desire means?You keep conflating the 'end' bit of acting towards an end with with the Buddhist Taṇhā.
>>18508474>30 years a neet? definitionally did figure it all out.kek
>>18508479>Normal people aren't trained to handle extreme situations with level-headed calmness.Everyone cries like a bitch, you just need to find their breaking point. AND IF THEY DON'T IT IS BECAUSE THEY AREN'T LE BELIEVER SO WE CAN KILL THEM WITHOUT DHARMIC PENALTY, CUH BOOTYDAMASS SAID SO, STONE BEINGS ARE WORTHLESS AND HAVE NO HEART SO IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO KILL
>>18508479>Does a pilot crash-land a plane by being scared, screaming and crying? Does a warrior win a battle against the odds that way?Yes. It's called being human, but you want to become a monster that feels nothing when you are kicked in the balls.
Be sure to (You) me a couple more times like an obsessed retard.
>>18508506You get badass psychic powers, but your dick stops working *the comically large phallic tail doesn't count* and your whole people go extinct. Nice job, faggot, you realized and learned nothing. Maybe next life? LoL, there won't be a next life because no one fucked and had kids. What did the Bootydamass say about that one? Cut off your eyelids and hide away in a cave from people trying to take you to the madhouse?
>>18508506
>>18508479I'm trying to say the buddhist are never humble. People like the buddhists always have something to show or to prove. That's why they use the orange clothes, makes them look very spiritual, very separate from normal people. Even the guy who burned himself alive made a big spectacle of himself doing that, so much so that it even made itself a way to an album cover of western music.
>>18506588Buddhism is such a simple and straightforward belief system that I'm legitimately confused by posts like this. All I can assume is that guys like this haven't actually looked into what Buddhism actually is and are doing a blind leading the blind thing where they hang out in threads like this passing their confused assumptions back and forth with other guys who also haven't actually looked into what Buddhism teaches.Buddhism is very simple:>suffering is an inherent and unavoidable part of life>suffering is caused by desire>you can free yourself from suffering by freeing yourself from desire>the way to free yourself from desire is to follow the noble eightfold paththe eightfold path being a very clear and straightforward list of proper behavior, morality, and mental attitudes.I don't know how you guys go from clear and unambiguous teachings like this to shit like>What is the point of waking up if the idea is to dream while you are still asleep?It feels like Westerners like to use Buddhism as a vehicle for all variety of vague new age esoteric musings, especially on boards like this where people really love to larp as being spiritually advanced in a vague and undefined sort of way.
>>18508344>What I can say is that I don't believe people should be murdered because they disagree with my tribe's values and superstitious beliefs.t. useless eater
>tranny nintoddler crying about buddhism o algo: the threadtruly we are in the final stages of /his/
>>18507707If I'm understanding this correctly, I like this view of karma even less than the pop-culture view. This probablistic bent makes karma completely meaningless and eliminates the cosmic justice of the whole thing, which is the single redeeming element of the pop-culture version of the concept. If you can look at every event or circumstance and say, "Well, it might be karma, but it might not be, who's even to say, really?" with equal uncertainty, what is even the point of taking karma into account beyond wishful thinking?
>>18508577>Buddhism is very simple:>>suffering is an inherent and unavoidable part of life>>suffering is caused by desire>>you can free yourself from suffering by freeing yourself from desire>>the way to free yourself from desire is to follow the noble eightfold pathAm I tripping or is this just stoicism?
>>18509133Stoicism is the retard version of Buddhism.
>>18509127>This probablistic bent makes karma completely meaninglessMaybe if you discount all the suffering that stems from clinging to the mind-synthesized continuity of identity, which causes you to reincarnate moment-to-moment on the course to make new mistakes and reap the fruits of the past ones.
>>18509203I don't know man, maybe I'm too western. "There is no you because time passes" is pretty fucking stupid.
It's very fortunate that no important knowledge depends on this website for its accurate preservation and transmission.
>>18509231>"There is no you because time passes" is pretty fucking stupid.It is pretty fucking stupid but that's because that statement is entirely a product of your braindamage.
>>18509259No, that's what your statement about>the mind-synthesized continuity of identity, which causes you to reincarnate moment-to-momentBoils down to without the supporting pseudointellectualism.
>>18509259>If you don't accept that you're a new person reincarnating moment-by-moment, you're braindamaged.Woof.
>>18509264Do you need me to spoonfeed you?>mind-synthesized continuity of identityi.e. identity (the "I" and all of its associations) depends on an illusion of continuity created by the mind - the cognitive thread of object permanence where the object is your person.>which causes you to reincarnate moment-to-moment on the course to make new mistakes and reap the fruits of the past ones.i.e. the present has no inherent psychological baggage, it only comes when you read an "I" into it again, connecting it to your past and contaminating it. Little Bad Thing happened 5 minutes ago. It's not happening now, but your mental state continues to follow the same emotional gradient, long enough for it to register as suffering. Not only that, but to the extent that the consequences of your past deeds have shaped your personality, you will continue fucking up and suffering. It's not a difficult concept.
>>18509321So>there is no you because time passesIs an accurate simplification.Yeah, I'm sorry, anon, but that's retarded no matter how many words you throw in to explain it.
>>18509324>thinking your opinions matterCall me back when you have something at least slightly interesting.
>>18509350>Call me backHow can I, anon? That (you) died in the moment.You fucking retard.
>>18509377The more of your posts I see the more I become convinced you're not a low IQ troll but actually mentally ill.
>>18509321By this logic, people with SDAM are enlightened because they do not have the framework to attach an "I" to their present. Turns out they just commit a bunch of crimes and act impulsively. Maybe that's not the path to enlightenment, chief.
>>18509385>By this logic, people with SDAM are enlightened because they do not have the framework to attach an "I" to their present.No, by that logic they would've had an easier time getting the point if it wasn't a symptom of a general mental deficiency that causes dysfunction.
>>18509388Not all people with SDAM have comorbid mental illnesses, anon.
>>18509382You mean the more you and your past reincarnations see of my posts. Be consistent, anon.
>>18509391That doesn't contradict anything I wrote.
>>18509397Yes, it does. Absent any other mental dysfunction, SDAM is exactly what you described, a separation of the "I" from the past. And it doesn't cause enlightenment or anything resembling it.
>>18509406Give it up, anon. He doesn't want to think. He wants to bloviate because he read a few books on Buddhism in college. Let him have this.
>>18509406>SDAM is exactly what you describedNo. The burden of maintaining a functional identity falls on their general cognition, whereas a properly functioning mind has a faculty for it and does it effortlessly and intuitively. You don't lose that faculty through realization, but identity loses its existential weight when the mindstream's sense of being no longer revolves around it.
>>18508577WE WERE NEVER ALIVEAND WE WON'T BE BORN AGAINBUT I'LL NEVER SURVIVEWITH DEAD MEMORIES IN MY HHHEEEAAARRRTTTDEAD MEMORIES IN MY HHHEEEAAARRRTTT
>>18509388Throw away the empty heartRIGHT NOWNever want to leave this placeAnd right now see it in a different waySo right now even if you take me onI'LL STAND THE LLLOOONNNEEELLLYYYSTAND THE LLLOOONNNEEELLLLYYY
>>18509133>Am I tripping or is this just stoicism?Yes, it is basically an embellished form of stoicism with several retardations bolted on.
The more that time goes on, the more I think terror management theory is correct. We are all just coping with the fact we don't really know shit although we like to put placeholders all over that fact and we are all going to die as spontaneously as we were born. Some religioustards are afraid of complete annihilation, while others are afraid of continuing the rodeo forever. We have ideas of how existence works, but it is mostly just storytime.
>>18509542Buddhism offers solutions while stoicism is a half-assed platitude.
>>18509551>you can't know nothin'>but trust my fake evopsych """science"""
>>18509562>you can't know nothin'You raeli cain't. Dats a fack!
>>18509558>Buddhism offers solutions while stoicism is a half-assed platitude.There are no solutions. Death is a non experience. My philosophy is The Antilogia Of The PoP Imp, The Ghetto School Shooter Ontology, and what it states is simply this:ACK!>They divided by 0 again and tried to explain it *facepalm*The finality and abruptness of death vs all your silly ideas you cling onto to avoid facing the unknowable.
>>18507686Based sutta citer
>>18507707lot of people who do not understand responded to you, so May i be the first to say, great post and great sutta link. thank you.
I BE LIBERATIN' NAGAS STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON N SHIET, NONG SENG?Your gods are literally angry niggers. Is this the true meaning of realizing piss of mind?INB4 HURR DURR HE IS DHARMA PROTECTORLooooL
>>18509706>Your godsdo you not feel the slightest compulsion to actually understand what you post about?>NONG SENGkek'd
>>18509615What are you babbling about you schizophrenic retard?
>>18509558>Buddhism offers solutions while stoicism is a half-assed platitude.Buddhism is Hinduism-lite. It is Stoicism with training wheels.
>>18509740>Buddhism is Hinduism-liteOkay so a schizophrenic, got it.
>>18509737>What are you babbling about you schizophrenic retard?Do you have the time to listen to me whineAbout nothing and everything all at once?I am one of thoseMelodramatic foolsNeurotic to the boneNo doubt about itSometimes I give myself the creepsSometimes my mind plays tricks on meIt all keeps adding upI think I'm cracking upAm I just paranoid?Or am I just stoned?I went to a shrinkTo analyze my dreamsShe says it's lack of sex that's bringing me downI went to a whoreHe said my life's a boreSo quit my whining 'cause it's bringing her downSometimes I give myself the creepsSometimes my mind plays tricks on meIt all keeps adding upI think I'm cracking upAm I just paranoid?Huh yeah, yeah, yeah(Ooh, ooh)Grasping to controlSo I better hold onSometimes I give myself the creepsSometimes my mind plays tricks on meIt all keeps adding upI think I'm cracking upAm I just paranoid?Or am I just stoned?IS THAT YOU MOM? GET OUT, I'M RAGE BAITIN'.
>>18509742>Okay so a schizophrenic, got it.Close enough.
>>18509744Buddha btfo Brahmins and later the British happened upon India and made up Hinduism.
>>18509056>t. useless eaterThat is rich coming from a pack of retards begging for small bowls of rice everyday so they can achieve a badass nut in their head one day by sitting so long they get blisters in their assholes.
>>18509714>do you not feel the slightest compulsion to actually understand what you post about?Was I wrong? It is the iconography of Buddhism. Their Gods are literally a pack of angry niggers. DEY BE LIBERATIN' SAM SARAH N SHIET, NAGA
>>18509747They're all made up. I guess with these meditative practices like Buddhism you get to realize how to get kicked in the nuts and not feel anything I guess, but your weiner stops working also, so how great is this realization really?
>>18509768>Their GodsI know you are trolling but for anyone reading else this and is curious, the Gods of buddhism are still in samsara too subject to the same laws of the universe and aren't meant to be prayed to or expected salvation from
>>18509714>do you not feel the slightest compulsion to actually understand what you post about?No.
>>18509772>laws of the universeLet me guess, the dharma.>INB4 ISLAMIC ULULATION KILL ALL UNBELIEVER FILTH
>>18509776It is whatever you believe it to be
>>18509783I guess I'm just a nihilist destined to be tormented by own acute awareness of the junkyard of flesh and blood. I am a silly creature of the emptiness and to that same ineffable emptiness I make my return. I thought Buddhism would have the answers I was looking for, but for me, it simply doesn't. I hate believing. I don't want to believe in shit, I want to know God damn it, but we don't know much of anything existentially imho. I cannot look at the chaos and destruction that is everywhere while believing in cosmic order and or god. I might suffer severe mental anguish because of that, but I guess that is one thing I choose to believe in. Myself. For better or for worse, I exist and I will soon die. There is no reasoning about the tiger of life. It is absurd and wild. We can try to think up how it might be ordered divinely, but we have no justification to believe so besides trust me bro, just BEELIEVE, for me it should be just BE A LIVE.
>>18506588I agree op.
>>18506588I disagree op.
>>18509895>>18509898Wow profound. I got satori and I didn't have to give my arm up to some stupid asshole known for cutting his eyelids off that is just as insane as I am. Seriously though, Buddhists sneaked God in through the backdoor with the Dharma. What of those that are in prisons and mental institutions that suffer mental torment? Why haven't they achieved enlightenment? Because the sun didn't shine their way? Did they not have the right breathing excercises and holier than thou asshole to tell them their mind doesn't exist?
>>18509906I think you are being disingenuous, op. And i genuinely hope you are trolling and none of this is what you actually believe or practice
>>18509906>Seriously though, Buddhists sneaked God in through the backdoor with the Dharma.You need to stop poisoning wells and kys depraved jewish scum.
>>18509911It doesn't fucking matter what I believe or practice. The world is a fucking lunatic asylum and we are driven mad by our burning desire to know why. The only response we get is silence, but what a pity to say so, right?
>>18509917Tell me how divine order is all that different from just believing in God. You poison your own wells, faggot.
>>18509922Stfu, kike. I see right through your sophistry.
>>18509911>And i genuinely hope you are trollingWell, we do a little trolling here in sam sarah. Like destroying people for teh lulz.>BBbbbUT MUH COSMIC ORDER OF THINGS1!
>>18509929>Stfu, kike. I see right through your sophistry.Now tell the dharmaniggers that and you win the game.
>>18509919see>>18507440It matters what you actually believe and practice. You don't get silence when asking why, retard, I'm communicating to you right now. It happens to ironically be nonverbal and therefore silent, but trust I'm responding. The world does happen to be a lunatic asylum where we are driven mad by our desire to know why, which is exactly why I hope you are just trolling >>18509929this
>>18509933Stfu, kike.
>>18509706>I BE LIBERATIN' NAGAS STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON N SHIET, NONG SENG?kek
>>18509133a stoic could endure suffering and cultivate virtue until his death, then what? Without rebirth following the path is actually against your best interests, something like epicureanism would be a better use of your time than cultivating virtue where that all that virtue just goes into a void when you die.
>>18509934The Smelly Bootydumbass:VASTEMPTINESSANDNOTHINGHOLYAlso The Smelly Bootydumbass:ALLAH LA LA LA LA WE MUST EXPAND THE MUSLIM CALIPHATE AND KILL ALL SWINE UNBELIEVERBro, wrong religion. What if these dudes were just mentally ill freaks just like shamans were?
>>18509943>NNNOOOO! I NEED A SPIRITUAL RPG PROGRESSION SYSTEM IN ORDER TO LIVE MY LIFE
>>18509948I'd prefer not to play a spiritual rpg, I'm not sure if you're aware but many of the NPCs here are fucking retarded. If we are in that kind of reality, the point is to find a way out
>>18509948What's funny is that the post you're responding to is actually against a spiritual rpg progression system being a framework for how to live life, and in that light this response looks like you just genuinely are sperging out about needing one
At least OP had some good reaction images.
>>18509768buddhists do not believe that devas created the universe or are in charge of anything, they just had fortunate rebirths and were people once like ourselves. they'll likely become humans again in the future
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>>18507733>You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.isn't the point of buddism to leave?
>>18508092>>18506588are you trying to impress your concept of enlightenement to the budda and probalbly to every belive system you see OP?
>>18510041>>18508129wrong responce
>>18508159>I actively reject all copes>I resent being alive, because if I simply did not exist, I wouldn't renounce anything. I wouldn't have to kill myself or wait to die either.
>>18508163>I actively reject all copes>Maybe it is true that the fruit of knowledge was the fall of man. Is that why keeping life going is directly opposed to efforts of transcendence? Imagine how much easier our lives would be to be a mindless foul wild beast simply doing as it does as opposed to being tragically aware of the whole thing. We became so smart we wanted to stop being.
>>18509944>gets so mad you got called a p-zombie that you lash out like a spergkek
>>18508319>I actively reject all copes>Yeah, it's called the human condition. Following "cosmic" laws isn't going to change that
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>>18506913Dude, that's just fucking AA when you're mindbroken by alcohol and look for any dumbshit belief system because you're desperate. Same with Scientology that preys on the desparate.
>>18510097I wonder what dumbshit belief system makes 80 IQs like you think they're forming intelligent thoughts when they spout this Markov-chain-grade spam.
>>18510099Probably as much as yours with that non-sequitor you provided. Tell me how it's different from any other religion claiming you haven't suffered enough to be desperate to cling onto anything, like a drowning man.
>>18510103> that non-sequitor you providedThat's your own post. >>18506913 doesn't describe adherence to any belief system or religion.> desperate to cling onto anything,It doesn't imply that at any point, either. You're legit dim. You're unintelligent. No two ways about that. And there's clearly some kind of irrational belief system in American convincing 80 IQs that they're intellectuals.
>>18510058Buddhism's goal is to basically become a badass p-zombie to the point in which you could set yourself on fire and feel nothing. That is literally what they want. Inner death. Blown out. Tell me why I shouldn't kill the Buddha crossing the road? There is no "dharmic" penalty, because to them it is just an illusion.
>>18510051>>18510061I meant religious copes. The truth is I can't reject all the copes, reality is too painful to look at for long stretches of time.
>>18510107If you just want to call someone a retard, you can do it in less words. That describes the basic biological function against discomfort, which doesn't necessitate an inherent belief system.I was remarking that it's the same mechanism that cults prey on. Saying you just didn't suffer enough isn't a merit on a belief system, and reminds me of Oxford House methodology that's still used today. Which I also ascribe to just being tent-revival pentecostalism. But it's a common not unique to it.
>>18510111I don't want to call you a retard. I want you to understand that you're lacking in the qualities you're most desperate to have. Your intellect is weak. Your mind is dim. Your comprehension is absent. Your pattern recognition capacity is minimal. You don't understand what you're reading. You're not forming any genuine thoughts and whatever thoughts you do form are not your own. You are an animal with a language model slapped onto of it.
>>18510112You literally just wrote eight sentences calling someone an idiot online. Ya fucking retard.Tell me why the correct form of suffering can enlighten a man? And if he learned a different lesson than you, is he wrong? Is it because the suffering endured wasn't empirically up to snuff in your book?These are pretty basic premises for even the layman.
>>18510114>Tell me why the correct form of suffering can enlighten a man?Who said it can? Again, I'm not calling you a retard. Everyone on 4chan is a retard. I just want you to know you have mental real, clinical mental deficiencies. You can't even read properly. Whatever delusion of being a rational skeptic intellectual you have, it's time for you to snap out of it.
>>18510118Answer any of the questions posed you mincing faggot. We can dance around and call each other retards all day. You say I lack comprehension? Answer the fucking questions you goddamn politician.
>>18510121You literally can't read well enough to grasp the general idea of a simple post and ask any relevant questions.
>>18510125You literally can't answer a posed question or address an underlying point.
>>18510126You're not actually asking anything that relates to the post you're criticizing, but your profound mental deficiency prevents you from even considering this possibility.
>>18510108>Tell me why I shouldn't kill the Buddha crossing the roadBecause you can't. Buddhas cannot be killed (a monk tried to kill the Buddha Gautama, and the Earth opened and swallowed him on the spot). You could wound one, but then you'd go to hell. Also, I don't think it's that they want that for its own sake, so much as they see no other way to stop suffering; they don't believe in permanent heavens (eventually, you'll fall back to Earth, and in time, to hell), so logically the only way to avoid suffering is by that method.
>>18510127>But if you genuinely don't understand the Buddha's point, you're just not suffering enoughIt's right there buddy. Which I wholeheartedly reject, and posed questions where that line of reasoning falls apart. Which again, you never addressed.I mean, at this point do I just call you a faggot and stop wasting my time?
>>18510114>>18510132>Tell me why the correct form of suffering can enlighten a man?It can't.>And if he learned a different lesson than you, is he wrong?He didn't learn any lesson if he wants to continue with self-inflicted suffering.>Is it because the suffering endured wasn't empirically up to snuff in your book?It's because the suffering isn't empirically up to snuff in his own book.All your questions so far stem from you failing to even grasp the premise you're questioning.
>>18510134This is delving into gommunist, "that wasn't real suffering," territory.Fine, restate the premise I quoted in a way that my dimwitted mind can't misinterpret. After all, you don't know the material unless you can convey it to even the lowest retard.Suffering teaches nothing except that it's better to do anything to make it better. It's elementary.
>>18510114>Tell me why the correct form of suffering can enlighten a man? And if he learned a different lesson than you, is he wrong? Is it because the suffering endured wasn't empirically up to snuff in your book?There are no answers.
>>18510142>you don't know the material unless you can convey it to even the lowest retardThe material is already simple enough in its original form that it can be conveyed even to a retard. This is by design. The problem is that many retards are highly motivated to perpetuate their own suffering, so they're blocking even what little comprehension they're capable of. The good news is that such motivation is inversely proportional to the level of existential suffering.>Suffering teaches nothing except that it's better to do anything to make it betterI understand that rational thought isn't your strong suit, but wouldn't you want to do something specific that addresses the problem at the source, instead of just "anything"?
>>18510114>Tell me why the correct form of suffering can enlighten a man? And if he learned a different lesson than you, is he wrong? Is it because the suffering endured wasn't empirically up to snuff in your book?That is why they need the idea of rebirths and karma I think. So they can explain it away by saying everyone eventually get the lucky birth in order to realize enlightenment or whatever. Same bullshit, different people.
>>18510147You sound like an ivory tower fuckwit who hasn't even experienced real hardship so can't even put in in terms he can understand himself since he's never had to actually experience it.If you provide nothing but empty platitudes as a solution, that's the definitions of "just anything." It's like thinking it's big brain when someone's burning alive you say, "Turn off your pain receptors," but if he said I physically can't and I'm currently experiencing second degree burns you'd fall back on, "You just didn't suffer enough and get third degree burns." At some point it just gets ridiculous.
>>18510151> ... when someone's burning alive you say, "Turn off your pain receptors," but ... I physically can'tThis comparison is a total delusion and that's exactly the point.
>>18510158Whatever you may think is a counterpoint in your mind, is merely a deflection that doesn't address anything. Anyone who can form a thought knows this.To get even more juvenile, I don't think sitting under a tree enough to realize that hunger hurts teaches a goddamn thing about suffering. If I hold your arm and strike you with it then tell you to not keep hitting yourself, maybe you can rationalize the pain you don't feel.You can suffer in this life without any of your own doing. And you can try to course-to end you suffering and fail, but I would never suggest that maybe if you got hurt more then you'd learn more and if not you just don't understand because of some undefined pain threshold.
>>18510130>Because you can't. Buddhas cannot be killed (a monk tried to kill the Buddha Gautama, and the Earth opened and swallowed him on the spot). You could wound one, but then you'd go to hell.In which anime did the Buddha open up a fissure to swallow his assailant? I don't think I care about going to hell, this place is already hell enough. I was referring to the zen koan about killing the Buddha which means to kill all the dogma and bullshit associated with finding one's true nature if it can even be said that we can find some form of elevation at all.
>>18510162>someone else is holding my own arm and striking me with it, it's not me doing itOk, some people really do have profound mental illnesses. That overshoots existential suffering and circles back to this:>>18506913>Some types of suffering are so base and visceral that if they catch you unprepared, Buddhist practice is unlikely to help you. For example, if you're starving to death, it's of course a manifestation of the suffering Buddhism aims to free you from, but no one expects you to meditate your hunger away. If you asked a Buddhist monk for help, he would give you his loaf of bread and meditate on his own hunger.Granted, if something's wrong with your brain, the monk can't prescribe you your meds, but the mentally ill can benefit alot from other people's compassion, so that's what Buddhism can do for you. If I was anywhere near enlightened, I wouldn't feel compelled to treat you like contemptible scum and we'd both be having a better time here. :^)
>>18510165I did make it come off as saying I would literally kill the Buddha and maybe I am literally killing the Buddha by rejecting dharma, idol worship and all other bullshit.
>>18510166This circles back to the Oxford logic, "It works if you work it! But if not, it's your fault. Also I can't define it. See you next week!"It's just a cop-out that relies on desperate people.
>>18510166>If I was anywhere near enlightened, I wouldn't feel compelled to treat you like contemptible scum and we'd both be having a better time here. :^)Are the maggots eating the homeless crack nigger's foot the only ones realizing Buddha mind? What if your inability to call bullshit is precisely why your ascension is postponed. kek
>>18510174You just need to be in a lucid enough state to be capable of higher-order thinking and self-regulation, and you need to want to rid yourself of self-inflicted suffering. That's all. I don't know how to dumb it down further for you. People like you, who are both mentally ill and retarded, are not the target audience for this stuff.
>>18510180Notice how your profound mental illness causes you to ask a retarded question that's specifically addressed and answered in the negative in the post you're "criticizing".
>>18510174>It's just a cop-out that relies on desperate people.It seems like the dharma has favorites I guess.
>>18510181People who've only experienced their mom not making dinner on time can't comprehend suffering. Yet, evidently, can wax poetic and pretend they know in order to dismiss others' learned experiences online.
Buddhism is retarded because it suggests doing nothing and being destroyed. It is a poisonous mental illness which should not be permitted to infect the minds of any people if that people wants to live/exist forever/ in perpetuity
>>18510181>who are both mentally ill and retardedLike the guy that cut off his eyelids and sat in a cave for years? Yes, he must have been completely sane and most wise.
>>18510186>People who've only experienced their mom not making dinner on time can't comprehend suffering.That's exactly my point. You gotta grow out of that first to know what's being discussed.
>>18510196If you ever experienced hardship you can't effect, you would throw these childish beliefs away. If you ascribe all suffering as self-inflicted because only you choose to feel the pain inflicted, then you really don't know shit and cannot be taken seriously. Like a child who knows he can be an astronaut if he just believes hard enough.
>>18510198If you weren't severely mentally ill, you'd stop arguing with voices in your head. I don't even know why you keep going. I've already agreed with you that the treatment for your condition, if it exists at all, would be psychiatric.
>>18510202Is all you can say calling the other person too stupid or mentally ill? Unfuck your shit, you can't even articulate yourself.
>>18510204>Is all you can say calling the other person too stupid or mentally ill?That's all I can say after spoonfeeding you like a child and getting nothing besides mentally ill and retarded responses.
>>18510207>a more verbose way of just saying yesPathetic.
>>18510208Ok. Do you have any other questions besides rehashes of the same retarded talking points I've already addressed?
>>18510210Since you dodge every point and question and just call the other person retarded mental patient as a response, you never addressed anything. Can you even call it rehashing if you never gave an answer in the first place?Like a politician getting pinned down by questions and giving non-answers. Or I guess in your words, you're too mentally deficient to answer simple question.
>>18510212>you never gave an answer in the first place?See >>18510134Despite your questions being irrelevant and retarded, I've answered them all simply and concretely.
>>18510125>>18510126I've determined both of you are gay dicksuckers. Enjoy man-fucking in hell.
>>18510192>doing nothing and being destroyedThe Buddha specifically said that he was not an annihilationist. Believing in death like an atheist does is considered a wrong view, one of the six heretical beliefs that lead you to hell.
