>3 hits from a german anti air gun on a sherman
>>18507173Scary to think how it must have been as a crewman
>>18507190it was known as the Tommy Cooker for a reason
>>18507196>to test the crew's luck
Shermans were not intended to challenge the German tanks. They only encountered them when the Germans counter-attacked and surprised the allies, however once the allies knew where the German tanks were within hours aircraft like the P 47 Thunderbolt would begin pelting them and within days allied tank destroyers would arrive so the push could resume.The Germans responded with hit and run attacks, attacking then immediately retreating before the allied response, however these were delaying actions only. Further if allied tank destroyers were close enough to respond or knew the German tanks were coming due to aerial reconnaissance or decoded messages then they would suffer serious losses. The allied advance meant they often had to abandon damage vehicles or vehicles that could not get enough fuel and it was always a matter of time before the Germans had to retreat again.
>>18507263>within daysbrutal.America used to be like Russia.The Kwk 36 88mm was said by the liberals to be the fiercest and deadliest gun of the war being able to repel or destroy anything in the liberal Arsenal until early 1945.
>>18507263https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kasserine_PassAllied equipment sucked
>>18507173>anti aircraft gun>its a FLAK-88 loaded with artillery shells>>18507190>>18507196>>18507297The sherman had a 80% crew survival chance when destroyed, compared to the T-34’s 20% and the Panzer-4’s 60%. All the big cats had abysmal survival rates due to the crew literally locking themselves in lol.>>18507346Germany lost lol with millions dead
>>18507190I don't know, if I had to be a US combat soldier in ww2 I think I'd rather be in one of these than be an infantryman.What were the safest combat jobs anyway, artillery crewmen? Unless you were a forward spotter, which I'm sure must have been very dangerous, I feel like you'd generally be more out of harm's way than the rest.
>>18507592>What were the safest combat jobs anyway,I would guess flying around in a P-47 blowing shit up while the Luftwaffe is nonexistant. Artillery would be the next one.
>>18507592>What were the safest combat jobs anywayIce cream barge AA gunner
>>18507346Cherry picked minor skirmish, most of the tanks were early war rushed production like the M3 Lee whose use was largely abandoned on the front lines that same year. It was a hard lesson, but one quickly learned, namely that you can't blitz a chokepoint brimming with anti-tank guns. The allies never made a mistake like that again.
>>18507781they got diabetes
>>18507800Proudly American disease
>>18507190Not really scary since you'd be dead before you even knew it.
>>18507806I would think it would take a few seconds to realize that you're not moving because the driver was pulp and the sheer terror knowing that you have to get the fuck out now before that becomes you.
>>18507180The KV1 is the most testosterone looking tank of the early war imo. Look at those wide ass tracks, now that's a TANK with hair on its chest. Mogs the T34, imo.
Real sign you've become an Unc is when discussing WW2 tanks stats and micro tactical level performance becomes a bore and you realize that this shit literally didn't even matter 80% of the time the "effectiveness" of a tank is purely whether it is available at the time and place it's needed to be more than anything.
>>18507297>the liberals>capitalized arsenal what the fuck are you on about, mate
>>18507592>What were the safest combat jobs anyway, artillery crewmen?Apparently artillery gives you micro concussions which turn you aggressive and retarded so there's that
>>18507173>5mins later
>>18507173>german anti air gunFlak 8'8cm was designed from ground up as a dual purpose AA/AT gun.
>>18507483>The sherman had a 80% crew survival chance when destroyed, compared to the T-34’s 20% and the Panzer-4’s 60%.Source on that?
>>18508410Not plebbit nigger just google it fag
>>18507196Stfu
>>18508420So you just made it up?
>>18507651>I would guess flying around in a P-47 blowing shit up while the Luftwaffe is nonexistentAllied Close Air Support pilots in the NWE theatre had it bad from beginning to end even when the Luftwaffe didn't exist anymore. The Germans could always scrape up enough light and medium-calibre flak to make a P47 and Typhoon pilot's sorties in support of ground troops a pretty nerve-racking job. Mustang and Spit pilots tasked with high-altitude interception and bomber escort had to constantly be forcibly drafted to fly Typhoons and P47s and lob rockets at Wehrmacht vehicles down on the deck; nobody ever wanted to volunteer for it. fighter-bomber pilots in France/Benelux could expect to fly about 100-110 CAS missions in a tour before they were rotated home and they had a loss rate of about 0.5% per sortie from Normandy onwards, which adds up to about a 50/50 chance of getting shot down for each man.
>>18509589To be entirely honest, the entire concept of air-to-air combat in the European theatre WWII is a little overrated outside of a brief window above the English Channel early in the war. It was vitally important in the Pacific since the fighting largely consisted of who could protect their own naval fleets and eliminate the other side's, with the best way of doing that being aircraft. But in Europe, Strategic bombing was a big factor to be sure, but it wasn't decisive. Tactical air superiority was also great to have in Italy and from Normandy onwards, but your average British or American pilot that wasn't babysitting B17s and B24s spent more time on average stressing about picrel way more than German fighters. Also they could barely ever hit anything; German tank losses from aircraft were way smaller than thought for a long time.
>>18507173>anti air gun He didn't fly so good
