Ellis Island was a mistake. America was founded by WASPs and absorbed French and Spanish territories for the sole purpose of converting them into WASP. If you are not of pre-1776 heritage you are not American. The Founders considered making the Great Seal of the US the Children of Israel following the Pillar of Fire on one side, and Hengist and Horsa on the other. All significant American founders considered America an Anglo-Saxon nation, not a "melting pot." The idol of the pagan goddess Libertas has no relation to my blood or my religion.This is a fact of history. Catholics are not American. Being Catholic in America is like being a mentally retarded rapist. God bless.
>>18507941u r a faggot
>>18507941>maryland
>>18507941>America was founded by WASPs and absorbed French and Spanish territories for the sole purpose of converting them into WASPBlood meridian is about the consequences of this btw.
>>18507941America was a mistake
>>18507946>Maryland was founded as a haven for English Catholics in 1634 by the Calvert family. Despite the leadership being Catholic, Catholics never made up the majority of the population. They generally hovered around 10% of the population, with Protestants forming the majority throughout the colonial period.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Revolution_(Maryland)Go away. You don't belong here.
>>18507941>If you are not of pre-1776 heritage you are not AmericanMy dad's side is, my mom's is Ellis Islanders so I'm halfway there.
>>18507941All of that changed with the Civil War and the 14th Amendment that was written as a result of the war
>>18507959If you convert to Independent Fundamental Baptism you may become American. If you choose some form of conservative High-Church Protestant, you can be an urbanite American, which is inherently lesser, but still counts.
>>18507961trvke tbqh
>>18507941You're probably referring to Jews/Irish/Italians as they continued to maintain distinct ethnic identities+gravitate to hotshot jobs in media/business/government. There were also a shitload of Slavs but they mostly all quietly assimilated and became alcoholic blue collar workers in Rust Belt cities so attracted no attention.
>>18507966I'm referring to all of them, including krauts. Krauts piss me off most because they think they're somehow American. And they talk about being "white" or "germanic," despite being pureblooded economic leeches. There has never been "elite human capital" immigration in history. If they were elite in Germany, they never would've left. inb4 "Americans were immigrants" no, they were conquerers, and killed their fair share of indians. How many Indians did krauts kill to be here?
>>18507941nobody cares, you're garbage genetic trash living in a shithole state like kentucky
>>18507976You sound identical to Vivek Ramaswmy et al. You argue identically to modern economic leeches.
>>18507971>I'm referring to all of them, including krauts. Krauts piss me off most because they think they're somehow American. And they talk about being "white" or "germanic," despite being pureblooded economic leeches. There has never been "elite human capital" immigration in history. If they were elite in Germany, they never would've left.
>>18507971quit talking and do something WASPfag, this is our country by way of might.
>>18507994Without doxxing myself, I am a hillbilly descendant of nothing but English and Scotch-Irishmen. The revelation that I was different than all the midwest Germans hit me in middle school history class. We were asked to chart on a timeline when our ancestors arrived to America, and I was able to recite 8 whole lines of descent from the 16-1700s, and all the """"german-american""""" kids had 1850 at the earliest*. >>18507995it wont be when the system collapses and the cities eat themselves :/
notice he's ashamed to name his shithole state
Now if you meant '48ers, yes. but there were also the old stock Palatinate Germans who settled Pennsylvania and Maryland prior to the Revolutionary War. They were mostly religious rather than political refugees.
>>18508015My family is from West Virginia>shitholeyes and you probably think I'm a "subtard" too and I need replaced. I've heard it before. It merely began long before this current wave of arrivals.
>>18508016They dont really count. They are vastly outnumbered by German economic immigrants post-1776. Not that I relate to them. But they can be a different "kind" of American.
>west virginialad's family tree is a circle kek>>18508024this
>>18508004So your euro ancestors invaded a couple hundred years before their euro ancestors did who gives a fuck? Its genuinely pathetic to care about something like thay
>>18508024>he says, as he gets completely replaced in his urban hellholewell, maybe it's a good thing you people think it's low-class. you wont move here. isn't that funny?
>>18508022Irregardless, 90% of American Jews are Ellis Islanders.
>>18508027Environment acts on biology. Being subjected to a hostile environment breeds a different sort of people than those subjected to temperate environments. Due to punctuated equilibrium, phenotypes don't tend to change unless they are forced to. Ergo, the people who were involved in taming America and fighting Indians (and the British) passed on certain traits which are different from those people who will up and leave the land of their nativity for more money (economic leeches). The worst sort of rootless cosmopolitan is the type of person who emigrates for "opportunity." Whereas conquerors are an enterprising sort, who attempt to plant their feet in a place and face all comers. Another funny phenomenon is all the kids in public school (I went to school in the midwest, not West Virginia) had surnames reflecting peasant or artisan ancestry, whereas the majority of my lineages are unironically of landed families from Europe. Too bad for you "shumachers" and "smiths"
>>18507941The U.S colonies were only plurality anglo-saxon in 1780, though. By sheer numbers.>The Founders considered making the Great Seal of the US the Children of Israel following the Pillar of Fire on one side, and Hengist and Horsa on the other. Jefferson -and the founders more generally- was a larper. His 1800 campaign was intensely pro-migration, anyway.
My surname is a color one in fact, it's not a farmer or occupational one so who knows what that means?
kek incestuous white trash thinks he's better than anyone
>>18508044Possibly the color of an ancestor's hair, skin, etc. Or if you are an American Black it might be the name of a prominent abolitionist. Whose family name is coincidentally the color of your skin.
>>18508044Colors are noble surname. If you're German, think Werner Von Braun, who was from a Prussian noble family. If your surname was Baeur, your ancestors were just peasants.
>>18508041Cope all you want but you're as rootless as they are, thats what happens when people leave their ancestral homes and lose their language & culture.
>>18508042For purposes of argumentation, Scotch-Irish count as Anglos for almost entirely adopting Anglo culture (as well as significant admixture) prior to colonization of America. I COULD say "America is Scotch-Irish and Anglo Protestant" but that's way more words, and the pejorative "WASP" always included Scotch-Irish anyways. And blacks are just almost entirely separate as a phenomenon. So just don't count them for now. This is about American "whites" or white-adjacents.
>>18508050>thats what happens when people leave their ancestral homes and lose their language & culture.Appalachia is my ancestral home and culture. It is America. I am American. Just because you can't say the same has nothing to do with me.>>18508045I'm more American.
>>18508049Regardless, as many Anglos have occupational names like Smith, Cartwright, Wainwright, Wheeler, Baker, Cook, Fisher, etc.
>celtmutt incestoid thinks he's anglofilthy subhuman
>the pejorative "WASP" always included Scotch-Irish anywaysthings mickmutt say kek
>>18508052I doubt 'Wealthy Anglo Saxon Protestant' included most Scots-Irish people.
>>18508062Scotch-Irish = Ulster Scots which arent even micks. You would know this if you weren't Indian. I'll just quote the basic bitch wikipedia article>While many of the Scottish planters in Ulster came from southwest Scotland, a large number came from the southeast, including the unstable regions right along the border with England (the Scottish Borders and Northumberland). These groups were from the Borderers or Border Reivers culture, which had familial links on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border. The plan was that moving these Borderers to Ireland would both solve the Borders problem and tie down Ulster. This was of particular concern to James VI of Scotland when he became King of England, since he knew Scottish instability could jeopardise his chances of ruling both kingdoms effectively.[19]
>>18508042This is in fact true, the colonies were already very diverse by 1776 and included English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, French, Native Americans, blacks, Germans, and Jews.
>>18508068cope, you're filthy celtmutt trash, you will NEVER be Angloyou've got a celtic surname not an English one on top of everything, don't you?
I'm Scandi mixed with English, I'm more Anglo than you are
>>18508049Ritters are also of noble lineage.
>>18508073>doxx yourselfsure whatever. I share the same surname as this guy. how's that for Anglo?
>>18508017>My family is from West Virginialmao
>West VirginiaOH NO NO NO NO
>>18508066That's the original meaning of the W, by the way. Wealthy. I don't know who changed it to white for what reason at what time. It funnily enough implies the user believes non-white anglo-saxons exist; perhaps it's an implicit admission Afro-saxons exist. Very progressive.
>>18508081Talbots are French, that isn't an English name.
>>18508088This is so retarded it boggles the mind. The Normans weren't "immigrants" either, but conquered the country.
>>18508088don't forget that the South had French Protestants who settled there after Louis XIV's expulsions
>>18508049>Surnames first began to be adopted in Germany during the 15th century. Many of these were occupational ones like Baeur (farmer), Schmidt (smith), Schulz (mayor of a town), Schuster (cobbler), Heur (hewer), Bergmann (miner) and so forth. Others were one-off jokes whose context has been lost to time.[3]
List of U.S presidents and their WASP status.>WashingtonYes>AdamsMaybe? (Are unitarians protestant?)>JeffersonMaybe? (Wealthy, Anglo-Saxon, Complicated religiou identity).>MonroeYes>JQAMaybe? (Same as his father)>Andrew JacksonNo (Not born Wealthy, acrued wealth later in life, Anglo-Saxon and Protetant, though).>Van BurenNo (Dutch)>WHHYes.>TylerYes.>PolkNo (Son of farmers, ASP though).>TaylorYes>FillmoreNo (Poor background and also Unitarian so iffy even if he wasn't).>PierceMaybe? (Wasn't super wealthy growing up, ASP).>BuchananYes. >LincolnNo (Farming background, not miserably poor but not outright wealthy, iirc).>JohnsonNo, lmao (Very poor, and he won't let you forget it).>GrantNo (Poor upbringing, quiet about religious beliefs).>Hayes Maybe? (His uncle seems to have been a wealthy business man, but no idea if this reflected on Hayes directly).>GarfieldNo (Poor, and arguably not protestant; restorationist).>ArthurMaybe? (He seemed to be middle class but idk).>ClevelandNo (Seemingly had a somewhat poor upbringing).>Bejamin HarrisonYes.>MckinleyYes.And I'm stopping here.
>TRNo (Dutch)>TaftYes>WilsonNo (grew up poor, son of a minister)>HardingYes>CoolidgeYes>HooverNo (German heritage)>FDRNo (Dutch+French Huguenot)>TrumanNo. Poor background.>EisenhowerNo. Poor background, Mennonite parents, German ancestry.>KennedyNo.>LBJYes>NixonNo. Poor background, Quaker parents, German+Irish ancestry.>FordYes>CarterYes>ReaganNo (Irish)>BushYes>ClintonNo (grew up poor)And that's it for presidents that are on-topic for /his/.
you can have a pure WASP america or you can have the USA as a major/world power.you can't have both.
>>18508124>Cleveland>No (Seemingly had a somewhat poor upbringing)Cleveland was also part-German.
>>18507941Imagine how much blacker America would be without non-wasp migration from other parts of europe, quit being retarded
>>18507941Joke's on you, most of my dad's side of the family came through Castle Garden before Ellis Island was a thing.>>18508069And Swedes, and a few Finns.>>18508073Fun fact, if you're scottish and your name starts with Fitz, you're Norman.>>18508104Not just the south. Paul Revere came from Huguenot stock.>>18508124Scratch a WASP in the north and like as not you'll find someone from middle-class ancestry or lower.
>>18508502Hoover is an Anglicized spelling of Heur, incidentally. In fact Eisenhower's name was also Anglicized from Eisenheur (Iron Hewer) which means a person who did wrought iron working for a living.
>>18508069>and included English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, French, Native Americans, blacks, Germans, and Jews.Uh, Dutch?
>>18508069why did you capitalize everyone except Blacks?
>>18507953>The Lords Baltimore lost control of their proprietary colony, and for the next 25 years, Maryland would be ruled directly by the Crown.>The Protestant Revolution also saw the effective end of Maryland's early experiments with religious toleration, as Catholicism was outlawed and Catholics forbidden from holding public office. Religious toleration would not be restored in Maryland until after the American Revolution. damn. interesting as fuck. basically america's version of the queen taking over india from the EIC
>>18508510considering the current state of the US I don't think anyone serious would pick the latter
>>18508088>this is the length to which Henryrollinsians will go to justify their Anglophobia
>>18509972Henryrollinsianism sounds like a 14th century enlish heresy.
>>18508054Very nice pic
>>18507971Germans were in America prior to the revolution you dumb cunt
>>18508004Dumb hick. My ancestors were from Germany and came over in the 1680s.Literally the first settlement in America had German men.
>>18508018Not at all. We have genetic data on this because south western Germans were the ones who arrived in the 1600s. We greatly outnumber any other type of German this side of the Mississippi.
>>18510034Um actually my peasant sheep farming grandpa from drimtylhickchillwillin in scotland came here in 1670s, so...
>>18510034>My ancestors were from Germany and came over in the 1680sYeah but they've got special needs schools to help you guys out now don't they
>>18507971>>18508004If your English and Scotch-Irishmen ancestors were elite in England and Scotland they'd have never left.Fucking FAGGGGGGGGGGGGGOT
>>18507941On the contrary, WASP’s are elitist liberal Episcopalian faggots who all support BLM and gay buttsex
>>18510031>>18510034>>18510227>>18510244"I can't read" Award Winners.
>>18507941>WASPWoke atheist sodomite pederasts?
>>18510266iayc kwab
>>18510267>WASP>Woke atheist sodomite pederasts?>t.
>>18507971kinda based. Americans with German last names irritate me a bit. They're better than blacks, sure, but real Americans have Anglo names.
>>18508016>They were mostly religious rather than political refugees.A bit of both but probably more the latter than the former, as they consisted of both catholic and protestant refugees.
I have family that lives in the South and they are embarrassing ignorant hicks. I resent that I have no choice but to acknowledge our kinship.
This country is half white at this point and young White men can't even get good jobs anymore because Indians are taking them all and people like this want to whine about Polish and Italian immigrants from over 100 years ago. Get off the internet and touch grass.
America was anti-catholic for a long time because of the schism, believing that dark hell-spawned demons have a place in the body of Christ is obviously heretical gibberish and I don't care what so called enlightenment idealists say otherwise.
>>18510513It began with Ellis Island. Same logic. Gorillions of foreigners for no discernible benefit to the natives.
>>18510521Again, your timeline is way the hell off. Gangs Of New York follows the same line of thinking and that starts almost a half-century before.
>>18510569It actually began when anyone NOT of British heritage was allowed to move here post-1776 but that takes longer to explain.
>>18510244>On the contrary, WASP’s are elitist liberal Episcopalian faggots who all support BLM and gay buttsexA guy like James Taylor is the ultimate elitist liberal WASP New Englander.
my ancestors (half of them anyway) were Palatinate Germans who came here and settled in Pennsylvania some time before the Revolutionary War. at some point in the 19th century they moved out to Illinois as that region was being settled.
>>18510614That's enough to qualify as old stock Americans, I meant people who came here since the Irish potato famine mostly.
John Adams reckoned the New England states were superior on account of the people being of purer English blood. How long do you think it'd be before he offed himself if he could see it today? I'd say about 20 seconds
>>18510614The krauts resented Anglo-Americans initially because life was just that much better here than anywhere in Europe. They almost immediately intermarried and integrated, as did the French, and when they were allowed (unfortunate) the Irish. People just literally could go live by their own means then, and the krauts saw this as "spoiled". That was really what made it a great country. The utter lack of empire, pollution or insanity that drags down the species wherever it goes. America arguably peaked 120,000 years ago when not a single upright apething who would willingly maintain a concept like "taxes" could breathe free air. After those Beringians showed up, and later the Jews and Catholics, it was doomed to fail. Doomed I says.
>>18510614>my ancestors (half of them anyway) were Palatinate Germans who came here and settled in Pennsylvania some time before the Revolutionary War. at some point in the 19th century they moved out to Illinois as that region was being settled.people had many kids in those days and there was limited land back east so the surplus moved west to farm
Northern/Northwestern Europeans assimilated easily, they were all Protestants who had a similar culture and language and came from countries with liberal political traditions. The wrench was thrown into the machine by the mass arrival of Ellis Islanders from backward countries with authoritarian governments and who practiced non-Protestant faiths. Further, while the "old" immigrants mostly followed the Jeffersonian dream of being independent farmers or small merchants, the new immigrants lived in overcrowded city slums and were mostly disposable factory labor.
>>18508029there were a small number of old stock Jews although they all got absorbed by/intermarried with Ellis Islanders so it would really be impossible to prove much of anything at this point
>>18508888Eisenhower's forebearers were old stock Germans who came here in the 1700s and later moved to the Midwest, they were Mennonites in fact. They were not '48-ers.
>>18511055it's significant that until the 20th century, the English were Germanophiles. they considered Germans a noble, industrious, democratic, and Protestant people while viewing the "enemy" as mostly Catholic nations like France and Spain whom they saw as despotic, decadent, and corrupt.
