When I'm asleep, I don't realise I'm sleeping.When I faint, I don't realise I'm unconscious.Why would I retain awareness in death?
sometimes you do realize youre asleep though
The most convincing explanation I have ever read on this subject is that you don't retain awareness after death on your own, but by means of divine grace
>>18508505You dont. There is no life after death
>>18508505so by abortionist logic, it's perfectly fine to kill a sleeping person
>>18508527Isn't it interesting how God does basically nothing directly in the living world we can actually know about but then, suddenly, when you die, God does everything directly all the time?There is no awareness after death even according to the Bible. It constantly calls it sleep. Death is unconscious oblivion. It's only when the resurrection happens and your body is restored and you live again that you once more have awareness.
you absolutely wouldn't which proves that awareness itself is a mechanism in your brain, and consciousness is something different entirely.
>>18508703what about apparitions? don't say you are a muggle never seeing anything
>>18508713Those only happen in places like Mexico or Laos.
>>18508713I've never seen a convincing case for one. Now that the majority of people in many countries have cameras on them at all times, wouldn't we expect to see videos of these, if they do indeed occur?
>>18508668Descendants continue to live after ancestors pass away.
>>18508703>There is no awareness after deathI am aware of people who have died.
>>18508722Can you elaborate? I'm not quite following your point
>>18508703>Death is unconscious oblivionYou are mistaken. Death is observed by the living. I am not a God of the dead, but of the living.
>>18508725>I am not a God of the dead, but of the living.What is Jesus saying this in order to prove?
>>18508703>It's only when the resurrection happens and your body is restored and you live again that you once more have awareness.At the resurrection, the dead will be like the angels in heaven. I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
>>18508505Skill issue on your part
The tomb is empty. The Advocate goes to you;I will send him to you, and then I will go away.Love your neighbor as yourself. The Lord our God is one.
>>18508725>>18508730wtf are you talking about schizo
>>18508722>>18508719>>18508725>>18508730>>18508740To be blunt your replies feel more like schizoposting instead of attempting to engage in serious discussion with your opposition. Introduction, premises, conclusion. Please make actual arguments instead of...whatever this is.
>>18508726The tomb is empty.The Advocate goes to you;I will send him to you, and then I will go away.Love your neighbor as yourself. The Lord our God is one.
>>18508505>When I'm asleep, I don't realise I'm sleeping.I do. Sounds like a skill issue on your part.
>>18508741>>18508742In the beginning, the spirit of God was hovering over the waters.Some standing there laughed, and said, "It is sky daddy! Lets use brick instead of stone". Others were scared, and said, "It's a ghost! Let's turn away and hide". Take heart, it is I.
>>18508742>premisesGod made a stone so large, that not even he could not move it. Then, he had it placed at the entrance of a cave. Then, he moved it, and the cave was empty, and yet, inside where two angels.In the beginning, the earth was formless and void. The premise was the conclusion. The father was the son. And the darkness was a blinding light. Then God seperated the waters above from the waters below. You want a premise? Jesus Christ is righteousness, truth, and Life. Start with that.
>>18508741>>18508742Some people sacrifice their children to Moloch, because they think it will make them live longer. Others realise that the afterlife is not about them, and they love their children with all their heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
The world is full of people who mary themselves. They like to eat and drink.
>>18508741>>18508742A rumor spread among the believers that a particular disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only asked, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
>>18508712What's the difference between awareness and consciousness?
>>18508746So you're like a phone that is constantly recharged but never turned off?
>>18508741“He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him".
>>18508919>Awareness must your ability to perceive external stimuli>Consciousness is the existence of subjective experienceYou can be conscious without being aware (vegetative state), but you cant be aware without being conscious. So awareness build up off of consciousness. I suppose one example of being aware but not being conscious would be insects if you buy into the theory that insect are just little machines that are input/output creatures who aren't internalizing anything they do.
>>18508505Good goy
>>18509260Good bot
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>>18509192>Awareness must your ability to perceive external stimuliNo, that's the five senses.Animals and plants can have functioning senses without being aware
>>18510020>Animals and plants can have functioning senses >without being awareI don't understand what you're arguing. How can we separate sense data from awareness? Without sense data how can anyone be aware of anything? A brain in a vat isolated from all stimuli would be conscious, but I would argue it wouldn't even be aware of anything because it has nothing to put its consciousness onto in the form of sense data.
>>18511376>Without sense data how can anyone be aware of anything?A roach can see me and run away when I approach it, but I wouldn't dare claim it's self-aware.Same goes for a robot equipped with visual sensors of any kind
>>18508505When they be cuttin yo leg off, does the leg hurt?
>>18509260This doesn't even make any sense.
>>18511812Yes, because I have functioning nerves (not everybody does).So?
>>18511841So it seems comping apart hurts like hell. Death is about your organism's structural-functional organization decomposing. Ergo, it will hurt.
>>18511848Okay, dying hurts.Now what about you retaining consciousness after death, i.e. becoming a disembodied soul?
>>18508505There is no counterargument to this. Anyone who thinks it wouldn't work exactly the same when you die is blinded by ego
