>no foreign armies>no money to bribe them>no superior technology they wanted to take part of>still abdanon their religion because the pointy hat guys told themWhy were the northerners so eager to forsake their ancestral belief?
ancestral doesn't mean correct or right.
>>18508640Anon, the Danes converted to avoid being crusaded and losing their sovereignty.
>>18508640>the pointy hat guysmore like the king told themand the king told them this because he wanted those pointy hat guys to serve as his bureaucrats and trade with Christendom instead of warring with them
>>18508677The danes were so unbothered by their southern neighbours that they were in tge midst of conquering England when they converted>>18508682You think the guys who were murdered by their own subjects for not imagined slights could force said subjects to convert to a foreign religion?
They kept plenty of those ancestral practices for a long time anyway. They kept carving and raising runestones for few more centuries, and Nordics retained customs like concubinage which fizzled out with Christianity but didn't entirely vanish until the early modern era.
>>18508661Yes it does (picrel)
>>18508706[citations needed]
>>18508677>Danes converted to avoid being crusadedThere was no such thing as a crusade at the time
>>18508692>>18509001Historic dinduism>"we" tried to conquer the entire british isles and raided every coastal part of Europe but look at how aggressively those germans were by existing next to us!
>>18509017>raided every coastal part of EuropeMostly a response to Charlemagne’s bullshit and Christian missionaries thinking they had a right to spread their bullshit to Denmark.
>>18509029>threatened by franks>go enslave the irishdindu
>>18509039Yes, all Christians are demons and any accusation they put on others is mere projection.
>>18508640Taxation
>>18508706>the older it is the more likely it is to be trueDo you still think bloodletting helps improve your injuries?
>>18509069What did the irish do?
I always thought it was a lot of the Vikings had their wives raise their kids and since a lot of those wives were captured in raids in Christian lands, the wives raised the next generation of Vikings as Christians.
>>18508640christianity is a lot more appealing to a normal person than norse paganism. In christianity, the locus of control is exterior to the individual. You cannot save yourself, salvation is of god alone. Germanic paganism is the exact opposite. You must save yourself, because Odin will not do it for you. A great example of this is seen in the lays of Helgi, Bane of Hunding in the poetic edda. The hero of the story, Helgi, becomes a god at the end of his cycles of reincarnation after being recognized for his great personal feats by Odin. The character Dagr is piousto Odin and sacrifices to him for help in avenging his family against Helgi. He is punished with a curse from his Valkyrie sister after he reveals to her that he used Odin's boon, a spear, to kill Helgi.Christianity also exerts an urgent time pressure. Norse pagans believed in reincarnation. Your goal was to become one of the chosen of the gods, but you had endless lifetimes to accomplish that. Christianity expresses that you have to be saved now, in this life, or you can never be saved again.This is all to say that christianity has a really strong sales pitch. Of course, marketability and popularity don't make things true.
>>18508640Natural selection ironically. Christian competed with and was influenced by numerous mystery and pagan religions. Nordic paganism was just "our ancestors did this". There was no history of apologising or missionary work. No mechanism to keep the faithfull in line like christian hell. The moment the british isle vikings started losing to the natives they shrugged their shoulders and converted to make peace. Binning Odin in exchange for keeping more land was probably seen as a simple decision
>>18509300Islam has even stronger one than Christianity since it promises 72 virgins. If it had reached northern Europe first they'd surely be all muslims.
>>18509346Islam forbids alcohol and tells you to mutilate your dick tho
being able to order all of your followers to uproot their lifestyle and justify killing everyone who refuses is a good way of centralizing power
>>18509029I think it was a response to their desire to be rich and lack of moral principle
>>18508640>>no superior technology they wanted to take part ofBut superior Bureaucracy, an intercontinental network, and amicable diplomatic relations with greater trading powers
>>18508661Ancient Greeks proved why abrahamic religions were retarded.
>>18508640Why do christians resemble trannies/leftists/communists/jews all at once? Why do they like to fulfill jewish missions so much? Why do they lie as easily as they breathe?
>>18508640>>no money to bribe themChristians with links to Italy and the Mediterranean were far richer than the Norse chieftains.
>>18509509And they all ended up converting
>>18509328This is on the right track but misses the main thing. A stable evangelical religion and a stable nonevangelical religion cannot exist beside one another without the latter either exterminating the former, changing to be compatible with the former, or being replaced by the former. Because religions that fight to get converts will eventually convert members of the other group, but the same won't happen the other way at anywhere near the same rate. And as you get more converts, your rate of getting even more converts increases with time.
>The tenth (Christian king) was Ragnvald king, bold and proud. He rode to Karleby without hostage, and for the disrespect that he showed all the West Geats, he was given a death in shame. Then a good lawspeaker and chieftain ruled Västergötland. And everyone was safe in their country.'These are the kings who supposedly managed to forcibly convert their entire countries
>>18508988Ancient philosophers are the citations>>18509509Nobody cares about Epicurus since he was effectively a deist.
>>18508661>>18508692>>18509017>>18509300>>18509328>>18509461>>18509738>>18509739If you don't like paganism why don't you get rid of the biggest and most important oral pagan tradition that your ancestors passed down to you - your native language?Just speak hebrew bro
>>18509782>and for the disrespect that he showed all the West Geats, he was given a death in shamethey raped him to death didn't they?
>>18509852I don't dislike norse paganism, for the same reason I don't hate the mongol empire or the sea peoples.They're all mere historical elements.
>>18509852I'm >>18509300. My post was explicitly pro-pagan and anti-christianity. I think the fact that most men would rather take the spiritual path of least resistance (christianity) is humiliating.
>>18509001Charlemagne, Saxons, any bells ringing?
>>18510250When did charlemange die and when did Harald Bluetooth live?
>>18510287There was still a Holy Roman Empire after Charlemagne, and by the late X century it threatened Denmark's borders
>>18510250The saxon wars? The wars that started because the saxon were comitting raids against the feanks?
>>18510293What aggressive posturing were the Germans doing targeted at the danes?
>>18508677Harald Fairhair and his friend Tore Ragnvaldsson were arian christian descendants of people who served in Rome/battled in Italy. When Fairhair died and the pagan family and son-in-law of Tore took over Norway and the northern british isles in its posession, he had to flee the realmof his father just like his brother Rollo, but to Denmark under the alias of Gorm son of Hordaknut. "Horda" being a reference to Hordaland, and the name & byname "Gorm/CVRMSVN" being a reference to the Karmsund at Avaldsnes which was the main seat of power of Fairhair.Arian norse christianity was already the natural blend of bridging norse and christian tradition, but the families of Fairhair and Tore Ragnvaldsson "of Karmsund" aka Gorm the Old, renewed themselves as roman-catholics in order to gather funds to subdue their neo-pagan native population that had concluded that christianity had been a failure due the loss vs byzantines.
>>18510334https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Danish_war_of_974
