"White" is a very recent concept. It doesn't come from a single ancestral population like WHG, EEF, or Steppe because these ancestral populations were all much darker in pigmentation than modern Europeans.https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/most-ancient-europeans-had-dark-skin-eyes-and-hair-up-until-3-000-years-ago-new-research-findsWe can clearly see selection taking place, especially during the Iron Age. Variants such as rs28777 (SLC45A2) and rs4778138 (OCA2) are important for light hair expression, while rs16891982 (SLC45A2) is also very important for light eye expression. HERC2 variants are likewise major contributors to light eyes and light hair.So I don't understand why people still believe there is such a thing as a so-called "white" race when light-haired, light-eyed people who are not Northern European can be found in North Africa, West Asia, South Central Asia, and even highly admixed Latin American populations including people with around 40% or more non-European ancestry, because they can inherit the same pigmentation variants. This is especially true even when their European ancestry is largely Spanish, which isn’t typically associated with light pigmentation either.People outside of Europe can inherit these variants together just as Europeans can. There is nothing uniquely "white" about them.You can view the data from the attached image here:https://reich-ages.rc.hms.harvard.edu/#/Modern Northern Europeans, especially Finns and Estonians, have the highest frequencies of many of these variants on average. But that does not mean there is such a thing as a "white" race. It simply means these populations experienced stronger selection for those variants.
These are of course not the only variants involved in light hair and light eye expression otherwise Finland would be almost entirely light-haired and light-eyed but they are among the most important ones. You can view the allele frequency data for WHG, EEF, and Steppe at the bottom.
>>18508697I don't think these so-called 'white traits' are definitionally required for whiteness even among the people who place a great deal of stock in race. In their communities, you can clearly discern the existence of peripherally white groups, like Slavs, especially Russians, who have a high prevalence of light hair expression, eyes, pale skin, etc. Their peripheral status can only be explained by the fact they're the 'wrong' type of Christian (whiteness being exemplified by Protestantism) and that they didn't participate sufficiently in Enlightenment era discourse.
>>18508721Faroese have practically zero participation in enlightenment era discource but they're considered peak white in white nationalist discourse. Russian problem is more that they've self-segregated from mainstream northern european discource and have their own russkiy mir identity while west slavs, Orthodox Romanians etc have been trying to be a part of it.
>>18508697>People outside of Europe can inherit these variants together just as Europeans can. Yes they can. In variant combinations inherited from Europeans. >There is nothing uniquely "white" about them.You've already conceded that the pattern exists, so you've lost. Mainstream science avoids this by denying this pattern, among others, entirely. >It simply means these populations experienced stronger selection for those variantsThat's what race is. Populations, selection and the grouping of it all. The only way you can hold onto this logic is to deny the pattern and support endless migration to white countries until those variants in whatever combinations are so subsumed into the global mass of brown nothingness that they disappear for a short while (on an evolutionary scale) before some other exceptional variant combination reemerges. I hope it's some kind of 2m tall blonde samurai phenotype and they learn from our mistakes and kill all the nons. I hope they are a hundred times stronger than us and look at our naivety, guilt and charity for the horrible racial flaws that they are.
>>18508876lol
>>18508697continuum fallacy /thread
>>18508721The white race objectively exists (Steppe, Anatolian, WHG), but basically who is or isn't considered white is tied to status.
>>18508697interesting
>>18508697Of course. Ben Franklin called them swarthy for a reason.
