Being a Christian before and during the Crusades was a believable narrative.But seeing the Christian God clearly refuse to grant victory to people openly risking their lives and giving everything in his name, to the point of outright giving Constantinople, Nicaea and Antioch to another religion, cannot but make one seriously doubt of the validity of the Christian creed
>>18508942This is why modern Christians who LARP as if Israel is their "holy land" too deserve to get spit on. If God wanted Christians to control Jerusalem, they would be in control of Jerusalem. God doesn't because Christianity is a false religion.
>>18508942I mean, the states of Europe apostasized and started clearly basing their actions on self-interest instead of Christian interest. The 4th Crusade attacking Constantinople, the French and the Poles openly allying with the Turkish sultan, and even the fact that by the time the Western European powers were more than enough powerful to dismantle every Muslim state in North Africa and the Middle East, they would instead bow to Muslim interests and even openly defend the existence of the Turks in order to hurt another Christian power (Russia). God gave victory to the Christians, the Christians just refused to take it.
>>18508960>God gave victory to the ChristiansAs seen in the Second and Third Crusade, perchance?
>>18508961As seen by the fact that by the 19th century Europe had enough power to conquer the entirery of the world, yet France, Italy and Britain went to war against Russia to protect the Ottomans. The power Christendom desired for centuries fell into the hands of secular governments.
>>18508960If God gave victory to the Christians, the Christians would've attained victory.
>>18508964Why did God wait until the 19th century?Why not the 13th century?
>>18508942>But seeing the Christian God clearly refuse to grant victory to people openly risking their lives and giving everything in his name, to the point of outright giving Constantinople, Nicaea and Antioch to another religion, cannot but make one seriously doubt of the validity of the Christian creedWas Jesus a political warrior Messias who ruled Israel and commanded armies to defeat everyone around him and who promised an earthly kingdom who would dominate others on the power of arms?
>>18508960The judeochristian euroaches tried and triedThe Osman alone faced victoriously the entire of that peninsula of AsiaI could use the same argument that if Mughals, Osman and Persians united they could have conquered the entirety of the euroach subcontinent and erased judeochristianity for good but they were too busy fighting each other and conspiring with the enemy
>>18509365If he was actually the Messiah he would've been
>>18508942the crusades are as unchristian as you can get. why would a god that preached a message of loving your enemy, and continually saying his kingdom is not of this world, support violent wars on behalf of secular states?
>>18508942The fall of Constantinople was divine punishment for the eastern orthodox refusing to repent of their schism at the council of Florence.
>>18509493They weren't "on behalf of secular states", they were meant to ensure Christian pilgrims could freely travel to Jerusalem.The Crusader States weren't for-profit proto-colonies, at most you could argue they made good use of the male surplus in Europe
>>18510017>they were meant to ensure Christian pilgrims could freely travel to Jerusalem.Lies, not a single mention of pilgrims in that vile Urban I speech at ClementUrban did speak about his genocidal intentions against Arabs and Persians tho
>>18510026It's spelt Clermont, namefag, and you're the one who's lying
>>18510100Urban did not make a single mentioning of pilgrims at his speech but he did call Arabs and Persian foul subhuman races that needed to be genocided and that crusaders would be rewarded with their wealth It was literally a failed settler colonial project
>>18509380You live in London retard stfu with your larping
>>18508942Job 1:21 and 2:10
>>18510128>Urban did not make a single mentioning of pilgrims at his speechLook "bro", we live in an age where it takes 20 seconds (not 30) to fact-check these bold claims, so if I were you I'd rather lie about something that is harder to verify
