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I'm more intrigued by anarchism and how prevalent it was. They killed a Russian czar, an Italian king, an American president, and a French president. They tried to kill a Japanese emperor. They held territories in the Russian and Spanish civil wars. They even had their own criminal organizations like the Bonnot gang.
Now it's a complete and utter joke and literally nobody takes anarchism seriously.

>>18509271
Based

>>18509271
Read Condition of the English Working Class and get back to us.

any ideology that praises generic masses and tell them they're being wronged and talks shit about top 1% will be popular

>>18509271
>hating communism because it destroys culture and tradition
valid
>hating communism because it calls out the bourgeoisie class
I don't see the logic behind this.

>>18509295
>hating communism because it calls out the bourgeoisie class
>I don't see the logic behind this.
Well, if it is the case that given the chance and resources most people would act as the bourgeoisie do (they do, communist revolutions, nouveau riche people show this), then calling them out is nothing more than shouting at the wind and is without logic. For my money, that tells me communists and anti-bourgousie types are all just envious and greedy.

>>18509292
Your belief that there exist people better than eaach other is stupid and based on society selecting people that had by luck an unordinary result at the right edge of the probablility distribution of achievements, experts and elites inevitably return to the mean which is why following the consensus is on the long term a way better method to be right more often.
Your belief also may lead you to think that a few actually decide the path countries take because your thinking is mythified. You identify with celebrities thinking that makes you special when in reality we're all just average dudes and girls.
Not your fault. Society is very good at selection bias. You're it's slave

>>18509307
>which is why following the consensus is on the long term a way better method to be right more often.
Holy shit. You're the fucking definition of a midwit.

>>18509299
You misunderstand communism it's not a personal issue of pointing out the evil guy it points out the structures of power and the power dynamics.
Unless you're under 20 you have no excuse for being a retard like this

>>18509311
No, I have an analytic brain and I use statistics and bayesian thinking whenever I can remember to do it because I'm educated.
This is why I don't gamble and don't listen to mediatized figures, so I don't get disappointed when a headline shows a ground breaking cure on something and actually it was a shit study, because statistically it was less likely to be true

>>18509313
>If we just change the structures of power and power dynamics, we can stop those meanie bourgeoisie!
>Proceeds to fail miserably, dozens of times oved the course of a century, hundreds of millions dead
Uh oh, I guess it's kinda hard to outsmart human nature. It's okay, you'll get it next time, you fucking pseud.

>>18509317
If you can't be assed to define what human nature is I'll discard it because you clearly don't know what you're talking about I said it but you sound underage
Ask any biologist neurologist any one specialized in the human body to tell you what is human nature...
Alas maybe you're just an abrahamic

>>18509317
Actually I'll debunk it real quick.
Hunter gatherer societies did not have fixed hierarchies, just like how chicken pecking order is very fluid.
Human society is an emergent property of us veing influenced by the feedback loops of the agrarian economy. No one planned it it is bot human nature. It's a natural phenomenon of selections where societies experience constant survivor selection.
Today even, if you get people in a context where there is no competition and an environment where they have to cooperate to gather resources they become very prosocial and very little neurotic. Depression is a modern affliction of modern life. That's to show that nothing was planned by god to be perfect, just like how the same hormone that promotes beard growth speed is the one that causes baldness.

The trials and tribulations of people that are communism aligned, is to create some form of society that can harmonize modern technology and our neurological and endocrinal needs of human connection, cooperation, craftwork and creativity, as well as our need for leisure, sex etc...

But just as the op image shows, its actually good that communists don't ask for your empathy, they will take by force because you are too cowardly to even genuinely adress these issues, you're human, all too human... (Endocrinal) It would be a shame to let earth rot because people are compulsively led by their hormones to seek further and further accumulation of capital, at any price. Contemporary human society is based entirely on people hijacking each other's hormonal system to break their reason and create profit out of context.

>>18509307
>Your belief that there exist people better than eaach other
There exist people better than each other. Im not wasting time reading your drivel any further

>>18509331
Then enjoy being killed

>>18509337
by whom?

>>18509271
>How did this Reddit ideology ever become relevant?
Jews, of course.
Was that quote from your pic not Jewish enough for you to realize that?

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>>18509279
The interesting thing about anarchist armies is a lot of the combatants were peasants. Spain, Russia. I have a theory that one of the most overlooked revolutionary events around this time was in Mexico where there were peasant-bandit armies that occupied a similar social space to Ukrainian or Spanish anarchists even if the people involved hadn't read Peter Kropotkin. But just what that "was" in the world at that time called itself "anarchist" in other places and didn't explicitly in Mexico even though it was basically the same thing (and some did).

The Chinese Red Army adopted Marxism by way of Russia but I've read descriptions of their army as almost anarchistic in reality. Mao was also interested in anarchism early on.

Like, being pissed at landlords/hacienda owners, tax collectors, the state, etc. and very strong anti-authoritarian tendencies, simple as:
https://youtu.be/0tro-o0fOk4

But also not necessarily all that coherent. Also in practice a lot of people who fought in Marxist armies didn't know very much about Marxism-Leninism. A typical "red bandit" could be a teenage girl being coerced into marrying her landlord but "I don't want to have to marry this gross old guy who beats me" so she teams up with the other peasants and the local communist cadres to smash the guy's opium pipes and then they lynch him and send his head down the river on a raft. That actually happened.

>>18509307
>there exist people better than eaach other
Yes.

>>18509271
why did reddit ever become a thing?
because like minded individuals rallied under one banner.
there is legit evil in this world, and it always for some (((reason))) conglomerates under communism.

>>18509295
because the bourgeoisie class is ever shifting.
once you kill off the class you blame everything on, then you need to shift blame to a new group.

>>18509307
>there exist people better than eaach other
Uh yeah, there are people better than me, even. Only a narcissist would refuse to grapple with that.

>>18509307
>Your belief that there exist people better than eaach other is stupid
Says the retarded commie, believing himself to be above stupidity.

>>18509307
there are people stronger than you, they are better at lifting than you, they bring more value to fields that require physical strength than you.

>>18509271
they ask for compassion all the time desu and we are retarded for giving it to them

>>18509393
this.
they ask for compassion for violent illegals.
they ask for compassion for people who hate whites.
they ask for compassion for the 3rd world.
they ask for compassion for child molesters.
they ask for compassion for violent criminals.
why aren't they asking for compassion for the victims of these groups?

>>18509349
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>>18509389
You guys are so eager to suck cock that you misunderstand the whole post and reply with the most asinine seemingly obvious point as if I was born yesterday and didn't know that usain bolt had a faster 100 m run than me.
I believe you call that strawmanning.
Do you feel any kind of intelligent making the same obvious reply 4 people made before?
By that way of thinking, I am therefore more intelligent, because my point is beyond yours, you are inferior.

It's first obvious that no person is better than another in an abstract sense, but that at a certain given task, or more clearly said, using the right filter, some people come through and some others do not.
Secondly, by my example of the return to the mean, I meant that someone like a nobel prize is equally likely as anyone else in his field to get the prize, and that he was the lucky one that passed through the filter. But he cannot replicate this success. But yet to the human cognition the feat in itself has been attributed to his essence as a "better scientist" (because just like iq tests we can only measure task performance, not potential)
One filter is not a universal measure of superiority. The place of birth and social context is a better indicator of going through some filters than genotype (because I'm pretty sure this is where you want to place an essence in humans since all the other goalposts for this retardation have been moved to this) Obviously the genotype does not directly encode for things like the number of limbs, eyes etc, but it's made in a way that 99 times of 100, the genetic data interacts with the environment to make these properties emerge. With a mechanistic interpretation like this, we're pretty sure that superiority and inferiority is kind of meaningless as a basis for creating roles of dominations and subordination.
These roles are emergent too, and if we use our emergent concept of humanism, we can say, with our relative freedom,

>>18509431
>By that way of thinking, I am therefore more intelligent, because my point is beyond yours, you are inferior
>Everyond is calling me a retard. This is evidence that I am too smart for them to understand.
Communists always be like.

>>18509431
That domination and subordination in a structured manner like the agrarian society has become, is not a concept that can maximize the wellbeing of individuals.
Productive compulsion makes people neurotic, it weakens the joints, hijack the normal dynamics of hormones, breaks the individuals but develops only the leviathan we are building.
Communism is one of the group of ideas that seek to give the individual more agency, at the exact opposite of what people attribute to communism.
But, in a labor and status oriented routine organized by society, where can you find the time and place to socialize with your tribe, find like-minded individuals that take leisure time with you, have sex with you, make art with you, when the exact mechanisms of capitalism is to single out people, break their individuality that emerges from group interactions, stuns them in an eternal circle of resources accumulation, and destroys the nature that gives the world an external beauty to take root in?
You will not agree and this is why force has to be applied.

>>18509271
what

>>18509431
>It's first obvious that no person is better than another in an abstract sense
Prove it. I can disprove it.
Person A is a mentally feeble, physically weak, cowardly, lover of evil who takes joy in murdering children and small animals while mooching off the government. He has no inclination to reform.
Person B is a strong, intelligent, wise, brave lover of goodness, who always puts others before himself and is willing to sacrifice on their behalf. He works hard and contributes to society.
Person C is you, a retard, who believes person A and B to be equal in any sense, obvious or abstract. Person C hangs themselves because they never seem to be as smart as they want to believe they are.

>>18509431
>no no YOU misunderstood my incredibly retarded post!
no we didn't commie, you just dont like it that we called out your pseudo intellectual garbage the moment you posted it.

>>18509431
>muh abstract
lmao, you're so weak in reality, you have to make arguments in a conceptual reality.

>>18509445
To add on to this, do you know why Person C wants Persons A and B to be equal? Because he has more in common with Person A, but he knows A is worth less than B. If he pretends they're both equal, he can bring B down and raise himself and A up.
This thought experiment is actually the perfect encapsulation of the commie mindset. Well done, anon.

>>18509431
nice word salad that literally means nothing.
you have to dance around so many subjects just to pretend like you have anything intelligent to say that it comes off as laughable.
you are nowhere near as intelligent as you desperately want to pretend you are.
the true sign of intelligence is making your point in as concise of a way as possible.
2 paragraphs later, and you still look like a bumbling retard

>>18509445
Person A and B being equal or unequal is meaningless we are talking about qualitative traits not quantitative. Qualitative traits are meant in a conversation to refer to a situation, not an absolute.
I do not believe in metaphysical properties at least not I'd be aware of like abstract "good qualities" you may, since you probably believe in some metamagical beings but whatever.
Like you really had to say things like
>Brave believer of goodness
A child would not speak in less babbly babble than that.
>Oh he stole my lunch he a meanie
Is actually less nonsensical than this, because it doesn't posit an abstract badness or goodness, but a contextual call to shun an offender.

Imagine being so broken by human society that even your thinking has been deprived of any form of reference to the real world, and that everything you believe in is vague abstract nonsense from words blended in so many contexts they mean what ever is on your mind at that precise moment. Words like god, goodness, love, etc...
Newspeak has been a thing for as long as there have been lunatic metaphysicians around

>>18509462
Commies and leftwingers perform better economically and in education than the inferior right winger.
Probably because they are so smart and you are so dumb

>>18509463
There are no true signs of intelligence because it doesn't exist. Maybe you mean a sign of someone saying something you like rather than dislike could be predicted by being concise sure...
But being a printer of overused truisms is not my thing sorry that I disappointed you, Anonymous

>>18509472
Communist countries are not well known for their economic and educational superiority, you absolute faggot. You're probably confused because in developed nations most commies and leftwingers are from upper-middle to upper class families that subsidize their educations and give them room to explore their retarded viewpoints.

>>18509469
and there it is, the "morality is subjective" cope that all communist atheists pretend to believe in.
you pretend that you think things like murder and rape are wrong because "decent people just dont do that!" but you have no way too prove that in a system without a higher moral authority than man.
your morals are completely based on western Christian values, but you're far to proud to admit it.

>>18509475
blah blah, redefining words to fit your world view to make sure no one is ever smarter or better than you.
that's called narcissism anon, and it's a really pathetic mindset.
you're insecure.

>>18509469
>If I just pretend to not understand or believe in anything you're saying, I don't have to give an inch!
You're just plugging your ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALA"
You lose, commiefag.

>>18509472
no, what they do is make up a bunch of shit, make themselves the arbiters of said made up shit, then claim you're uneducated for not knowing what their made up shit means.

>>18509492
wooooow? wait, wait? You just said that there are not objective measures of "betterness"? No way, rather, you're just mad commies and leftists are smarter than you lmao what a retard whay wan't you just accept you're inferior?

>>18509485
>and there it is, the "morality is subjective" cope that all communist atheists pretend to believe in.
the mask slips
how come I can be so unsufferable, write such word salads, and yet still be so damn right?
This is delightful

>>18509505
>how come I can be so unsufferable, write such word salads, and yet still be so damn right?
Because you're in denial.

>>18509507
You can psychiatrize anyone, a schizophrenic even, that will never count as any more agument than an ad hominem

>>18509500
look at you, little commie, changing meanings again to pretend like you won.
nope, that gay shit doesn't work here retard.
\never said anything about a measurement of betterness, you just pulled that out of thin air to try and defend your point, which has been thoroughly debunked.
you make up your own rules, that go against reality, then claim your opponents, who are reinforcing reality, are the wrong ones.
go to hell commie.

>>18509505
define why you don't rape and murder, despite morality being subjective.

>>18509279
Anarchism is a fundamental part of modern economic theory.

>>18509511
I was showing how absurd ranking betterness was by showing an example of commies being "better than you" and of course you didn't accept it, not my fault you agree with me whenever it makes you feel good

>>18509515
refer to >>18509462
you've already been nuked, commie.

>>18509513
because I don't like it and if I did someone might stop me and if they didn't then too bad for the person I killed and raped I guess

>>18509522
why don't you like it?

>>18509526
because aggression is mediated by the prefrontal cortex and catalysing hormones like testosterone, and the prefrontal cortex decides that raping and murdering is not a good idea when you are aroused by anger or other stimulus so it pauses your action and makes you correct for a mor appropriate response

>>18509531
Wrong. Even if you deny universal morality, which you are so desperately trying to do, you're wrong. Aggression arises from interactions among multiple brain regions (amygdala, hypothalamus, periaqueductal gray) and neuromodulators, not a single “aggression center,” and hormones like testosterone only modulate—rather than directly cause—aggressive behavior. The prefrontal cortex contributes to inhibition, moral reasoning, and decision-making but does not unilaterally “decide” actions; under high arousal or stress PFC control can be weakened, making restraint less likely. Whether someone refrains from crimes depends on many factors—neural circuitry, learned norms, situational cues, impulse-control capacity, perceived consequences, and even innate morality.
See the problem with being hyperspecific when you're a pseud is that it just presents a shitload of instances where you'll be wrong. If you really valued intellect, you'd simplify. But you are a midwit, so you think verbose = smart.

>>18509531
your brain says so?
what about india, or africa, rape and murder are common place there, are they wrong?

>>18509559
Yes, they are. You're not going to convince this retard, he's committed to not surrendering an inch. To midwits, humbly admitting their mental failures is torture.

>>18509556
thank you for having researched the subject and thank you for repeating what I meant by "catalizing" and thank you for adding context
but it seems you added something that didn't belong here and doesn't show in the research, probably just a typo or something
>innate morality

>>18509568
dont you worry, im well aware the cognitive dissonance is thick with this one, but i want to watch him squirm.

>>18509559
if by wrong, you mean the word I would use to contextually describe the disgust murder makes me feel, then yes, if you mean wrong as an absolute then no

>>18509574
>wrong as an absolute then no
Then you believe there are circumstances or perspectives that can make rape and murder acceptable. You are simply evil. Well, I knew we'd arrive at this understanding eventually. Glad you can admit it, anon.

>>18509574
why do you think it's wrong? to them, it's right, so who are you to judge them?
and what authority does this "absolute" have to say it's not wrong?

>>18509570
>innate morality
Some people are drawn for reasons neither they nor science can explain to moral or immoral actions.

>>18509580
>You are simply evil
although there are circumstances where I'm not, like this one
Also I might be full of myself, but my performative speaking is charming and creative, while yours is full of ressentiment. Another reason for moi to feel eternally superior and intelligent

>>18509588
ah, it's a fetish, got it.

>>18509573
Do you think he views being incorrect as a moral wrong? He's avoiding it so adamantly it's like he thinks its evil.

>>18509586
>Some people are drawn for reasons neither they nor science can explain to moral or immoral actions.
so they just make shit up with no proof to back it up
>>18509582
Because I don't like it and if I was there I would tell them "hey, that's wrong!" and then they'll burn a tire around my neck or something or maybe I'll just stay silent and go back to my country, if whatever thing you're saying about the african is true, which I'm sure is generally not

>>18509588
You're not just a midwit, you're a faggot as well.

>>18509592
that's an interesting thing to say, but is it a stratagem to avoid argumentation?

>>18509594
>so they just make shit up with no proof to back it up
No, even under scrutiny, their behavior cannot be explained. Dahmer's brain scanned normal, his upbringing was normal, yet he was drawn to evil. Innately, you might say. You wont, because you are a cognitively dissonant faggot, but intellectually honest people would.

>>18509597
>avoid argumentation
You lost an hour ago, everyone left ITT is just batting you around like a cat with a mouse.

>>18509600
just because we don't know something doesn't mean its god behind it
weve been doing this thing for millennias, maybe you'll grow tired of the usual "turns out, it's not god this time"

>>18509592
given that he sees himself as his own God, by his definitions, yes, being wrong would be evil.
he is the ultimate good in his world because he has defined what good is to himself.
and even if you believe in the same moralities as him, if you did not come to those conclusions based on his methods, you are wrong anyways.

>>18509601
but, my dear, sweet sweet summer child, losing is merely an abstract, there has been no material consequence of this debate I can call winning or losing, lest experience and food for my narcissistic mania

>>18509603
>I have faith that it won't be explained by God.
>I refuse to see the irony in this statement.

>>18509606
I pity him, but I will absolutely testify against him before the judgement seat.

>>18509594
you still can't define why their actions are wrong.
in their minds, what they do is right, but in yours it's wrong.
and the fact that you dont know about the mass murdering of white farmers in south africa tells me that you have yourself heled up in your own little bubble to avoid anything that breaks your notion of the world.

>>18509607
>losing is merely an abstract
there it is again, abstractions.
you have 0 basis in reality, because reality does not agree with you.
how does it feel constantly being invalidated in everything you do?

>>18509609
I do have faith in something I see as likely yes
just like how I believe the sun will rise tomorrow, I was never dissapointed... Now if if I ask myself the probability that tomorrow a giant gay walien will rape me inside my anus, it's close near to zero, and actually higher than god or absolute morality to have been behind jeffrey dahmer's terrible acts.

>>18509610
i have 0 pity for these kinds of people anymore, as they would have no pity for me.
he has all the resources he needs to be a better person, all the evidence in the world that his beliefs are the cause of countless genocides, yet he still chooses to follow them.
i cannot wait till he faces all his misdeeds.

>>18509614
You're right, God wasn't behind dahmer's acts, that was his free will to commit those actions.
but then again, you believe everyone is a slave to their brain chemistry, which means that the nazis were right.

>>18509610
ressentiment, ressentiment. imagine a scenario where actually the correct absolute morality was mine and god rewarded me with giant orgies while I watched you from the top of my penthouse boiling forever because you're such a doodoo mean human being? I'd say it's more likely
>>18509611
>mass murdering of white farmers in south africa
not history
>>18509613
you don't get my point

>>18509618
the nazis were wrong because they said there were alien ships in antartica or something
>>18509616
you're angry hahahaha and you can't kill me because you're powerless to hurt me from behind your screen!!

>>18509620
>you dont get my point
you don't have one.
anytime you begin to lose an argument, you start shitting the bed with "abstractions".
that's a coping mechanism, you cannot make a single argument that has any objective basis in reality.
you have to argue in concept, because that's the only place where you are "right".

>>18509625
I'm a materialist, I deny abstractions explicitly, when I use the term abstraction, it's to denounce it like you do

>>18509620
ew, you deny reality https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2018-000476_EN.html

>>18509633
here's my ad hominem:
>Udo Manfred Lothar Voigt (German: [ˈuːdoː ˈfoːkt]; 14 April 1952 – 17 July 2025) was a German politician and Member of the European Parliament (MEP) for the far-right and Neo-Nazi party National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) between 2014 and 2019. He was a member of the European Parliament Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs. He served as leader of NPD from 1996 to 2011. By profession, he was a captain in the German Air Force and had a master's degree in political science from LMU Munich.

>>18509628
>i deny abstractions
>all his arguments relied on abstractions to prove his points
there you go again, trying to redefine terms to suit your needs.

>>18509639
no

>>18509637
here ya go, for your little lefty mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks

>>18509622
nope, you cannot say the nazis were wrong, because that is an absolute, which does not exist according to you.
you support the nazis.
we're done here, nazi.

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>>18509641
lmaoooo
to quote sade:
>scélérat, comme tu as du plaisir à baiser ainsi les vestiges de ta cruauté !

>>18509646
murder still occurred, but that's okay to you because it was okay to them.

>>18509646
>he pretentiously thinks people can't use google translate like he did to copy/paste a french quote.
lmao, you're so performative.
we're done here.

>>18509647
murder is bad
>>18509644
I angered you to the point you resorted to kindergarten tactics... Am I not so cuel that I broke your ego so low?

>>18509649
I'm french, maybe that explains all this faggotry you're accusing me of haha
so yes I do understand what I am quoting

actually I am sorry at that point I'm getting meaner and meaner I should probably stop that goes against my objective of global peace and unity

>>18509652
>I'm french, maybe that explains all this faggotry you're accusing me of haha
It actually does. It also lightens my heart to know you're France's problem to deal with and not my countryman. Enjoy New Senegal!

>>18509660
If yoi can be steered away from it this easily, you don't want it that badly. Performative most likely.

>Communism Thread
Look inside
>Midwit lefty getting BTFOd until he starts crying and spouting non sequitur
Many such cases, in fact it's every time. You could almost set your watch to it.

>>18509344
The thought of the Magon brothers (the ones most commonly called anarchists in the conflict) was heavily influenced by Kropotkin and Bakunin, though.
Now obviously some other movements in the war (Zapatistas, Villista) didn't read those thinkers. But they weren't really anarchists, they just wanted land redistribution.

>>18509663
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>>18509672
look how the hyenas feast when they believe the lion has gone away, shoo shoo

>>18509676
Narcissists often retreat into delusion when confronted with irrefutable contradictions of their perceived superiority. Humble yourself.

>>18509674
To a point I wouldn't even say they were so ideological as that. They (and all the other ones, Villa and Zapata are just the most famous ones) were just warlords followed by a bunch of peasants who wanted latifundiae owners to stop stealing their land.

>>18509271
now a days? spiteful brown third worlders, many brazilian or mexican

>>18509313
Humans literally evolved around structures of power. It's why every communist state becomes a dictatorship always and you have no examples to point to otherwise.

>>18509691
>brazilian or mexican
Wrong absolute majority of these nationals are right-wing internet crusaders and zionists

>>18509307
KEK. Yes, some people are better than others. For example, I'm smarter, stronger, wealthier, and better-looking than you are.

>>18509431
No one's reading this.

>>18509271
Marxism elevates matters of socioeconomics to the realm of philosophy, combining English political economy, German idealism, and utopian socialism. This synthesis provides it with an immense intellectual fecundity.

>>18510155
>immense intellectual fecundity.
More like fecality

>>18510152
Hey, I'm here, and somehow I really doubt that care to show pics and proofs?
You seem to me like the internet tough guy, aka a 50 year old delusional fat boomer with sunglasses.

>>18510270
>somehow I really doubt that care to show pics and proofs?
So you admit that pictures and proofs would confirm that this person is better than you. If not, why would you ask?

>>18509482
"well known" lmao. consider dear moron that if the capitalist populaces are more ignorant than you think then of course it would not be well known to you that other countries can be better at things

>>18510292
I'm not an retard and I understand what he means. So I adjust my language to the context and don't pretend it has some absolute definition

>>18509271
Simple answer: Because it preaches the truth. The masses ARE oppressed and disadvantaged by a small elite.
Their rules are not the same rules the masses play with.
This has been always the case through history, with times where it was more obvious and times it was less obvious.
With the advent of peak industrialisation and lagging behind industrialised countries you'd have to be a retard of a peasant to still believe in a king.

>>18510296
>Communist countries were actualy ultra-successful, capitalists were just reqlly, really, really, really good at keeping it secret.
>Don't ask why they're not still around.
You are an absolute retard.

>>18509393
>>18509400
>ME MUM
Stop this moral faggorty, the right already partially believes in might makes right. Don't be a lukewarm pussy go full.

>>18510398
>the right already partially believes in might makes right.
What right? The cartoon nazis MSNBC has convinced you comprise the right? All the righties I know are Christians who believe in loving their enemy, which is why the left has gotten so out of hand without being exterminated. If righties were actually like that, the left wouldn't exist.

>>18509271
Sounds based what's the problem?

>>18510401
>What right? The cartoon nazis MSNBC has convinced you comprise the right?
Stop lying, the "God loving honest right" is dead.
>All the righties I know are Christians who believe in loving their enemy
Then they're not far-rightists. "Loving the enemy" just means importing browns as long as their "based and christpilled".
>which is why the left has gotten so out of hand without being exterminated
The left is self-defeating.

>>18510401
The Populist Christian right has completely been psyoped by Russia and Israel. They're pathetic at worst and controlled opposition at best.

The only "honest" ones left are either literal Neo-Nazis or actual Commies or Anarchists. Anything middle of that is controlled by the global elite.

>>18509271
Replace his necklace with a star of david and that meme is perfect

>>18510439
>SAAAR DA EVIL JOOOISH BOLSHEKIVS KIL 90 TRILLION WHYTE PEEPS IN THE HOLO SAAAR

>>18509271
>8th anticommunist post made by a retard in less than 2 weeks
What is it with you sperging out ? Did you get triggered by someone on leftypol or something ?

>>18509647
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>>18509580
Why the fuck are right-wingers so retarded when it comes to morality. This entire chimpout is just
>muh cant explain my feelings so youre LE EVIL

Ffs at least read on what morality is before making these retarded comments. You can absolutely believe in some form of moral anti-realism (nobody uses subjective/objective apart from pseuds btw) and still think that certain things are wrong, but only from your point of view. Affirming "I disagree with you morally" doesn't translate automatically to "thus one of us is wrong" unless you smuggle some external moral principle.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaethics

>>18510496
>"thus one of us is wrong"
*meant wrong qualitatively on a mind-independent level

>>18509271
>People better off than you are better off simply because they're evil. You're poor because you're a helpless victim and because you're not evil.
>It's wrong that some people are smarter, more hard-working, more charismatic and more beautiful than you
>Thus you're morally justified in murdering those people and taking their stuff.
It's a perfect ideology for worthless retards who want a better life but don't want to work for it.
It's also a perfect ideology for midwit intellectuals because supporting such an ideology makes them feel morally superior and because they think they'll be the leaders of the retards if a revolution happens

>>18510532
Workers are exploited by the owners of the means of production this is what the marxist say not your strawman.
If you are over 20 please know that you are an ignorant dumbass

>>18510539
>means of production
nobody uses this term other than communist retards. As if it's some divine gift for all Mankind, and someone evil usurped it and stole it for themselves.

>>18509307
It's really funny how you implied it was stupid to believe people are better than other people while positioning yourself as smug and talking down to people

>>18510316
Race is more of a class than class is. You have much more in common with a rich businessman who's the same race as you than you do with an immigrant who's not your race and who just happens to earn a wage just like you.

Lazy people, gullible people, and weaklings with a thirst for power. Its no surprise, you can see it with the tone of it's modern support. The mass majority of self-described communists unironically believe its going to make Star Trek (fiction) happen. Or that they will finally be able to remain in total apathy playing video games all day without any scorn.

Its obvious that most communists (if not all) are ignorant, privileged, and spoiled brats. Or they have ruined aspects of their lives with awful, avoidable choices. I always propose the same question to every communist I meet, and they can never answer it.. It goes as follows:

I spent a chunk of my youth working at a machine shop, which housed many different trades. There is a natural dynamic of separation amongst the workers that specialize in different things, which inevitably creates divides.

The laborers think that everyone else is lazy or better off because they don't have to deal with hard, physical, dirty labor. The machinists think that everyone else is better off or lazy because they don't have to deal with a high expectations, meaning their mistakes are often ignored are hardly scrutinized. The truck drivers think that others have it easier because they get to go home at night instead of sleeping in a parking lot. Everyone thinks the foremans have it easier because all they have to answer to is upper management. Upper management thinks everyone else has it easier because they simply have to show up and do what was expected, while they have to quote hours.

In a perfect communist world where "labor seizes the means," how would they solve this conundrum?

>>18509271
Why do leftists hate incels?
I mean they're all about equality and they consider someone having rich or even just normal parents unfair and wrong. Everyone deserves to have their needs met no matter how much they contribute to society. If someone is better at something than someone else it's wrong and unfair and it's only a result of opression. Poverty is a result of oppression. And it's wrong that people have to do work they don't like to make a living.
But when it comes to sex and love (which are basic needs) it's completely different. Nobody is entitled to get love and sex. Suddenly it's not wrong that some people are more attractive than others. If a man doesn't get sex it's not because he's a victim of oppression. It's because he's an ugly disgusting creep subhuman who deserves it. Or because he's lazy and weird and he should work harder on himself and change his personality. It's always his fault.
They're basically ruthless free market capitalists when it comes to dating. Why is that?

>>18509295
Hating communists because they hate billionaires is an extreme minority view only rich conservatives hold and also a retarded strawman that redditors love to fight against.

>>18509313
Thats the type or retarded word soup that is more of a platitude. Here in reality we can see that just a few decades ago that logic was used to kick regular people out of their houses, or have total strangers moving in and segmenting space of their own. This is the main point that many have against you assholes. You can quote platitudes all day from bullshit literature, but you can never explain how these inevitable results wont happen all over again.

>>18510823
Then why do you hate communists then?

>>18510855
because they try to ruin our culture and all the impressive achievements of our civilization.

>>18510855
Because they're murderous utopian psychos that think the ends always justify the means. Also they're anti-western subversives that always take the side of "oppressed" brown thirdies over white europeans.

>>18510855
see
>>18510839

>>18510855
Because they're ugly deformed freaks with no conscience who want to murder everyone better than them simply out of petty resentment and cruelty.
There's a reason why this ideology is so popular amongts faggots, trannies and similar pests.

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>>18509344
Typical anarchists and "red bandits" like Nestor Makhno were notorious rapists. They would coerce countless teenage girls into sex, and they didn't look like movie star Gian Maria Volontè so it wasn't like your dark romance werewolf novels.

>>18510859
Ruin how?

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>>18511021
You had it all planned out decades in advance.

>>18510943
Yes, civil wars aren't pretty, bandits aren't moral. Your point?

>>18511103
Kind of says a lot that the end state of anarchism is basically just murderous chaos followed by a swift return to order.

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>>18511103
It kind of soils your heroic story if after all that the revolutionaries rape scores of women far outstripping the immorality of a few weirdo rich old man poor girl marriages, most of which are gold diggers anyway. It doesn't end with the civil war either.

A dispassionate historical perspective is welcome, but it does not explain why redditors love communism so much. These are well known facts and yet you still have people shilling it.

>>18511103
The point is that anarchism has no goal except civil war and the despoiling of civilization that comes with it. Putting anarchists in nooses was honestly too good for them.

>>18511147
>but it does not explain why redditors love communism so much.
It's literally because their birth year starts with 2, and they have yet to be jaded by the application of this crap in the actual real world. I was born in the 80s and remember Yugoslavia existing, which is essentially a more modern example of what you guys are talking about but in real time.

>>18509271
Jews, my freind, jews...

>>18511116
That's not the end state. That's just as far as the armed movements got.
>>18511147
What heroic story? Stop thinking in fairytales. And no one exits clean if we are to tally the atrocities of the Russian civil war. And regardless, you are trying to desperately white-wash the tsarist period ("few weirdo rich old man poor girl marriages, most of which are gold diggers anyway."), which already makes you as much of a clown as any anarchist.
>These are well known facts and yet you still have people shilling it.
You are currently shilling for Tsarism, anon. Look at yourself and you'll answer why redditors still shill for communism despite how horrible it was.
>>18511149
Well that's clearly wrong. Makhno only got traction because he organized radical land redistribution, among other things, including the murder and dispossesion of hated minorities. It was a popular uprising, after all.

>>18509271
it appeals to subhumans. take your pic rel, that's just a cringe power fantasy.
communism is packed full of various mechanisms that appeal to the worst instincts of humanity.

>>18511278
the bolsheviks slaughtered more political opponents in months than the czars did in centuries. trannies like yourself always paint these outlandish cartoon pictures of czarist russia or pre revolution china to try to justify all the fucked up shit that communist subhumans inevitable do when they get any sort of power.

>>18509271
>abuse your population
>wonder why they turn to radical ideologies


It’s not a mystery why countries that gave political and economic concessions to their poor and middle classes avoided communist revolutions

>>18510859
Marx openly praises Aristotle and makes reference to the Bible within the first chapter of Capital.

The ideology itself is firmly rooted in, and practically an affirmation of, Western civilization.

>>18509344
>I don't want to have to marry this gross old guy who beats me
Now I get why becoming a landlord or loan shark seems so attractive to some guys in the incel movement

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>>18511303
So Lassalle was right?

>>18511147
Redditors love communism exactly because they are aware of such facts. They imagine themselves getting revenge against all the Chuds that misgendered them and raping whoever they wish.

>>18511294
The tsars were too busy slaughtering conscripts over a petty Austro-Serbian spat
didn't work out too well for them when the conscripts turned their guns on the people forcing them into the army lmao

>>18509271
If you try to advocate effectively for communism on reddit it'll just be bans and [comment deleted]
only authoritarian corporate liberals are allowed on that shithole, the only people they let wave red flags there are token opponents they can use to make communism look bad. Not that they treat the right all that much better though...

>>18511278
>That's not the end state.
It is the end state because anarchists are violent barbarians that just want to overturn civilization. From the ashes a new one will emerge because people crave stability and order. Anarchy will always just be a transitionary state.

>>18511511
Anarchism has a specific class basis in the peasantry, which only experiences the state as an extractive force and desires land and to be left alone to do their own thing.
The problem is that the peasantry alone isn't a strong enough class to take power, the same forces which overturned aristocratic rule in favor of the bourgeoisie likewise gave workers a leading role compared to peasants.

>>18511294
>the bolsheviks slaughtered more political opponents in months than the czars did in centuries.
There is no way to tell for sure , all we have is estimates (at best), and they change wildly depending on the historian you are reading. The anti-communist ones give you tiny tsarist ones and huge communist detah tolls, the soviets the opposite. Alo, the Czarist regime sent you to be tortued in a prison camp more often than it executed you. The Red Terror was more about summary executions. By only taking into account execution you are, again, trying to white-wash the empire by omission. Who cares about the soviets, though? We are talking about Anarchists.
>>18511511
You are conflating different forms of anarchy there. I know you don't care.

>>18511551
>You are conflating different forms of anarchy there. I know you don't care.
I responded to either you or another anon excusing rape and murder from a popular anarchist while brushing it off as a civil war and insinuating that if they had won a true utopian anarchist society could have come from that.

>>18511522
Anarchism is a meme ideology for naive retards that have yet to emerge from their mom's basement. As I said, it will always just be a transitionary state because humans are inherently hierarchal. Furthermore unless you're an anarcho primitivist then forget about having an anarchist commune with anything more than iron age technology. You're not maintaining modern economic logistical chains in a global anarchist society, i'll guarantee that.

>>18509271
Capitalism is a literal humiliation ritual

>>18511586
... for those who deserve it (it's you)

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>>18511586
only for the low IQ

it is literally the easiest thing in the world to get some high paid job no one wants in alaska or nevada or somewhere with only a meme level of education, live beneath your means and invest in well researched investments and you will make your first million before 30, the problem is most people are lazy neurotic overemotional gambling addict retards with no sense of direction that just drift aimlessly, literal NPCs

AI is literally the next big thing, it's obvious, not just the AI itself but the technology it will develop, there will be innumerable opportunities in the coming years, you just have to sit and search through them all and research them to figure out if they are worth anything then put like 5% of your savings into them if after exhaustive study they are, the problem is if you're low IQ you can't do this, you can't join the party

>>18511586
See >>18511427

Capitalism is the only way to a working society.