Has a modern nation state ever received a warning from the catholic church to stop committing blasphemy/heresy?
>>18509617it just keeps happening
>>18509617THAT IS NEITHER BLASPHEMY, NOR HERESY: IT IS SACRILEGE.
>>18509617It is only blasphemy if we fail to win.
>>18509621same fucking thingit's a big papist no no
>>18509624IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SACRILEGE, BLASPHEMY, HERESY, AND DO NOT WANT TO KNOW, AND ARE NOT EVEN CHRISTIAN, WHY ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT ALL?
>>18509617>catholic >brazil I haven't seen any medieval historiography, nor in Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. any worship of magical Yoruba gods, and nobody here in Italy thinks that sacrificial chickens can solve my problems or give me a woman for example.
>>18509635Bingo. People need to differentiate once and for all between "Christianity" and "Latinx Christianity." It's a new denomination.
>>18509635THERE ARE DEMON WORSHIPPERS IN BRAZIL, THEREFORE, ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC, BRAZIL IS NOT A CATHOLIC COUNTRY?DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE NO DEMON WORSHIPPERS IN ITALY, IN SPAIN, IN PORTUGAL?ARE YOU BEING DISINGENUOUS, OR ARE YOU MENTALLY IMPAIRED?
>>18509635>>18509638Why do you reply to yourself, OP?
>>18509635there's nothing in the bible that explicitly says jesus, mary or the saints weren't magical black cubans o algo assim
>>18509642Actually at least in large cities, what dominates here is secularism, not demonolatry as in Latinx America. Brazil, as well as all of these countries, was created on superstitions which is why the worship of magical black people is common to every João, Juarez, o algo it is part of the Latin American identity, it is part of your culture.
>>18509645I m not the OP, schizotard.
>>18509623you lost the second you threw the cat joao
>>18509627brazilians ruin 4chan by spamming tradcath nonsense, thus its our duty to call them out as vira latas who will NEVER EVER EVER get a popethis is a culture and ethnic conflict not a religious one, we're just weaponizing catholicism against them as part of it
>>18509655This.
>>18509638good pointLATAM catholicism is largely performative along with some political and cultural larping (glory to the spanish/prorogue empires o algo) thrown in
>>18509655>brazilians ruin 4chan by spamming tradcath nonsenseto be fair all latinxers do that, 90% of the e-cath shit is just latinxers finding new and innovative ways to incoherently seethe about the gringos
>>18509651YOU SHOULD LEARN BASIC GRAMMAR, AND HOW TO REDACT, BECAUSE YOU WRITE AS IF YOU WERE A FUNCTIONALLY ILLITERATE VICTIM OF A STROKE.TAKE YOUR SHITSTIRRING ELSEWHERE.
>>18509662>sim senhor! Glory to our hispanic bothers! United against the racist Anglo-Saxons! Hail, Iberia!
>>18509665Yep, English isn't my first language, but at least in my secular country you don't find a smelly chicken and Nigerian gods in every house, right? And as far as I know, Tenochtitlan worships a magical skull or algo
>>18509671>senoooor messi is a symbol of LATAM victory against the hated white anglo germanic first worlder o algoabout that...
>>18509681senor trump is spiritually latinx seeennnooooorrrrr
>>18509680>And as far as I know, Tenochtitlan worships a magical skull or algoSi saarñor
>>18509692Magical blacks or magical skeletons... which way, Latino man?
>>18509710>magical jaguars not an optiongrim
>>18509617Several, if you count the reformation as modern.But as Cumgenius pointed out this isn't blasphemy or heresy, it's sacrilege.>>18509635Well you haven't read much social history if you think the common medieval peasant was in any way more orthodox than some spic doing folk-saint bullshittery. The divide between the lay people and the church is very well attested.And, of course, not everyone follows afro-syncretisms. Most people don't.>>18509662I am a brain dead retard and this is my cultural analysis.>>18509680You don't in Latin American countries, either. They're not as widespread as you seem to think. Even in Brazil afro-syncretism is being diplaced by charismatic chritianity.Functionally they aren't anything you would not see in medieval europe. Or even among old people right now.
>>18509635Brazilians are among the most syncretic peoples in the world.
>>18509748I think you spelled retarded wrong
>>18509617I wish France Antartique had survived and had driven you catholic morons back to your peninsula in Iberia.
>>18509748Why do you think so?>>18509755It was doomed.
>>18509746Why do you seem so upset? I don't care at all about the spiritual condition, or rather, the lack thereof, of your country. But it's undeniable that your country is superstitious, and this cult of flying Nigerians is very widespread. And reading the history of your small country, it becomes very clear that the conversion was very poorly done, and your government even expelled the Jesuits to prevent a proper catechization of the population isn't? And I don't know what you meant by that, why do you mentioned peasants? in Italy or any truly Catholic country there isn't this strange addition of slave deities integrated into the faith system, nor is Jesus treated simply as a god of a pantheon.Witch burning for example is a product of the early Modern Age, reaching its peak in the 16th and 17th centuries. Local folk magic or "superstitions" were not as widespread as in Latin America and were condemned by the Church something your country, for example, didn't even bother to try when the faithful worshipped flying Nigerians.The institutional burning of witches was not common in the daily life of a medieval peasant, for example, and is a myth widely spread by the Enlightenment. But, whatever superstition you're thinking of, medieval peasants did not worship gods.
>>18509788Did you know that in saarazil Catholics are so arrogant that they believe the discovery of the country was somehow a special favor from God because it was discovered at Easter? And therefore it is unique compared to other countries placing them in a spiritually superior position?
>>18509791To be fair, I don't think only Brazilians are like that in Tenochtitlan they also believe that the conquest of Mexico was somehow divine intervention o algo But who cares?
>>18509635Portuguese here and I've lived in Brazil since I was 17 I've met many Brazilians, and these guys who worship these gods or whatever they're called ironically consider themselves Catholic and even go to Mass Not that I care about something as false as religion but it seems funny to me.>>18509671Kek
>>18509796>ironically consider themselves Catholic and even go to MassIf you search for images of these cults on Google, you'll often see pictures of Mary or Jesus alongside flying Yoruba figures, so if you walk into a Brazilian's house and see an image of Mary you can have the benefit of the doubt about whether they are Christians or not eheheh
>>18509635>>18509796>>18509802>>18509662>SameflagI am Brazilian and I am an Umbanda practitioner You have not yet presented any ontological reason why our national religion is wrong and your worship of desert deities is ontologically superior Furthermore cuckoolicism is the most syncretic religion of all you copied Greek and Roman philosophy and random Jewish tales.
>>18509788Do I seem upset? Maybe it's what you want to be the case. I am also not myself Brazilian.>But it's undeniable that your country is superstitious, and this cult of flying Nigerians is very widespread.Which one is my country, again? And what's the name of these 'flying nigerians', as you call them? It's unwise to generalize them. Most practice sin Brazil aren't even of Nigerian descent, they're Angolan. Anyway you should stop trying to refer to the history of an undefined small country. I have to go but I'll continue.>>18509812Shut up Kardecist larper. Umbanda isn't even a real afro-syncretic religion, it's spiritism.
>>18509812>I am Brazilian and I am an Umbanda practitioner >You have not yet presented any ontological reason why our national religion is wrongehehehe
>>18509817>>18509812Did the chicken you killed today have any effect?
>why our national religion is wrong and your worship of desert deities is ontologically superior
>>18509824Brazilians aren't neopagans, they're spiritual black activists. Someone should make a meme like that but with magical Cubans.
>>18509812based truezilian and not a papist puppet
>>18509812>Sameflag?
>>18509825This guy also gave a really good meme idea>>18509710
>>18509642ALL CathliX worship demons thoughever>What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?>But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils>Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.>Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,>And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image [εἰκόνος-"icon"] made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things..>For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.>God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;>Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;>Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
>>18509617>>18509619That's based though
>>18509617Brazil is a zionist evangelical country not a catholic one
>>18510336That is an evangelical zionist too not a Catholic
>>18509662All catholicism is largely performative, not just the latinoid
>>18509819>eheheheWtf
>>18509617The Catholic Church is not a religion, it is a religious institution. BIG difference. HUGE difference.
99% of foreign threads about Brazil on /his/, /pol/ and /int/ are always tards seething about meaningless shit like this kek
>>18511273It's annoying.
>>18511273Leave our gods alone
>>18509635>here in ItalyOhnonono...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_de'_Medici,_Duke_of_Florencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_de_Porreshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Africans_venerated_in_the_Catholic_Churchhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna
>>18511292So many dasazilians here
>>18509635>any worship of magical Yoruba godsAssisi, 1986 - John Paul II greets an African voodoo priest.
>>18511297>>18511328This kill the LARPer.>During Pope Leo XIV's recent Apostolic Journey to Africa, the world was moved by a powerful moment at the final Mass in Malabo Stadium, Equatorial Guinea>At the end of the celebration, the Holy Father prayed and sang the Regina Coeli in thanksgiving before a stunning image of Our Lady of Bisila, the beloved Mother and Patroness of Equatorial Guinea>Clothed in white and blue, with the Child Jesus carried on her back in traditional African style, this image beautifully shows Mary walking alongside her people in every struggle and hope
>>18511328>greeting someone means you worship a God you don't>You need to ignore the Dalai lama if you meet him because if you acknowledge him you might catch his Buddhism or something
>>18511351>gods>Buddhism
>>18511360https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_deities
It's so funny that this Brazilian got so frustrated and offended by his culture being completely Africanized that he went to the trouble of elaborating here because his slave religion was mentioned. Remember: Brazilians love magical Cuban blacks. End of story.
>>18511371I wouldn't mind that too much she's specifically copying and pasting posts from desuarchive.org These posts are apparently automatic and About 30 chickens were sacrificed so some flying Nigerian would give her a girlfriend, but it didn't happen... maybe the chickens were too thin?
>>18511375Now seriously, does he/she really worship the Yoruba gods created during the colonial period?
>>18511377Yes, like any Brazilian, actually she's already confirmed that This girl even has a very specific fetish for interracial pornography
One single eastern European gentleman is currently in the thread enjoying himself thinking about chickens and magical blacks. Please donot disturb his moment of self pleasure.
>>18511371The real question is why the Zucoids would love this if, from what I've read it's something purely Cuban? What does Cuba have to do with Brazil? It's not like there's much cultural exchange between the two, is there?
>>18511390>What does Cuba have to do with Brazil?Both countries are spiritually Black activists and both have had a Black population that didn't integrate well but that's something to think about Imagine a people so lost that they have to adopt a literal slave cult from the Cuban underworld? Only Brazil could do that it must be the climate.
>>18509617>he doesn't think the Lord creator wouldn't be a mean playmakerngmi
>>18511363A lot of "latinx" people I've met are Buddhists or Deists for some reason
>>18509621>>18509627>IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SACRILEGE, BLASPHEMY, HERESYThey all ultimately mean one thingOffending the religious
>>18509635>and nobody here in Italy thinks that sacrificial chickens can solve my problems or give me a woman for example.That's because you live in 21st century Italy and not Medieval Italy. Remnants of Paganism that survived in Europe are what we call "hillbilly bumpkin peasant superstitions" (i.e Pagan, literally country-side dweller). Some old quack grandma reading signs in a cup of tea or villagers praying to a Saint's statue for fertility is the same idea/mental process as these Brazilians praying to some Umbadumba whatever
Senhor! Everyone who criticizes my version of voodoo is le sameflag, senhor
>a guy replying to me desperatelyKek Why do Brazilians think anyone cares about their spiritual condition? Why do you think I'll even read this? Keep responding, seething and dilating ou algo I repeat, there is no Catholicism in your country, and in every Brazilian home there is a Yoruba boo Don't you dare compare my country to your neo-pagan pigsty.
'zilian here and a lot of the opinions on this thread seem completely alienated from what religiosity here actually is. Maybe it's regional differences but I think ive met like 1-3 people who actually believe and practice anything resembling african religiosity and for most of my life this type of thing was seen as a punchline to a joke. I have never seen a non white priest in my local church with at most a couple brown nuns. Saint George has strong associations with black brazilian magic and poor people when it's his day but that's about the extent of which I know these things since im not very religious. Hookers do tend to typically be hyper supersticious though from my experience with both european (specifically french, german and romanian ones) and brazilian hookers so there's thatLATAM hookers typically believe the dort of magic OP is talking about and a lot of tarot relate shitEuropean hookers lean more towards the pseudo buddhist "feel the energy of thingssss" internet LARP
>>18511424>a lot of the opinions on this thread seem completely alienated from what religiosity here actually isEverything on 4chan is completely alienated from real life, including the stereotypes. This is only website on the internet where the USA gets made fun of for *not* being more racist lol.
>>18511363>Initially they included mainly Indian figures such as devas, asuras and yakshasOnly the Devas are gods on this list and they are not of divine origin.>Rebirth as a deva is considered a favorable outcome resulting from virtuous deeds (karman) performed in previous lifetimes. While the heavenly realms of devas are regarded as auspicious, they are impermanent and remain part of the cyclic existence of saṃsāra, rather than being eternal heavens. Devas are not all necessarily wise or on the Buddhist path and hence not objects of refuge. They have very long lives which have much less suffering than humans, but are not immortal or immune from suffering. Some devas have no physical form and exist in the formless realms. None of them are creator gods, and they are neither omniscient nor omnipotentWhat you would call the true God in Buddhism is Baka Brahma.>Brahmā Baka (literally "crane-Brahmā") appears in the Majjhima Nikaya, where he is a deity who believes that his world is permanent and without decay (and that therefore he is immortal), and that therefore there are no higher worlds than his>>18511410He is an Italian with double standards.
>>18511503He must be angry that northern Italians were treated like slaves in Brazil.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18477678/
>>18511273To be fair 99% of posts by Brazilians are about Brazil in one form or another
