What exactly caused “tipping” to become such an ingrained part of culture and the economy in America?Everywhere else on the planet tipping is just that, a gratuity voluntarily given as a reward for good service. Not some expected gauranteed extra for nothing.
>>18509988I have been feeling this problem creeping were I live, and I am not from america, so it might just be a current issue with tipping, since wages are kind of extanaiting , specially for resturants since they actually do need that money as a bisness.
>>18509988I love it when businesses let me know up front that they don't want me as a customer.
>>18509991As soon as it takes hold, it will spread. Here in America, it used to be that you tipped waiters. That's it. But now it's spreading everywhere, getting worse year by year. Almost every FUCKING transaction you do, they ask for a tip. I would nip that shit in the bud if I were you.
>>18509988>service fees are not tips>Tip 20%
>>18510000Here in California you have to tip your doctor now or they won’t look at you past a glance
>>18510012Here in Germany, we don't tip.
>>18510012It's true. They even make you tip the local garbage man when they come by to empty your bins, if you don't tip them every time they show up they'll just dump all your trash onto your front lawn instead.
Rampant capitalism and dysfunctional labour unions cause tipping to get out of hand. The workers get exploited so badly they subsist off of tips. The fact that this is spreading to many other fields just shows how bad things really are.
>>18509988The restaurant business model in the US seems to be that you're renting a servant for the duration of your visit. The restaurant provides access to cooked food and drinks, but paying your very own personal servant for the event is on you.But also, wage theft.>>18510079People usually do round up to the next largest bill, resulting in tips anywhere between two to five Euros on a regular meal. Outings of the extended family (eight to sixteen people) will usually yield between five to twenty-five Euros in tips.
Tipping is still viewed as weird here, thank god.
>>18509988>What exactly caused “tipping” to become such an ingrained part of culture and the economy in America?Here's an interesting article from 2021 discussing how American tipping culture is a remnant of slavery.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/minimum-wage-racism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nVA.tAlV.YkrMWh-cfcMF&smid=url-share
bunch of broke ass yuros and browns itt
>>18510730>lowercase white>Uppercase Blackwokeshit article
>What exactly caused “tipping” to become such an ingrained part of culture and the economy in America?Americans, in their extreme degeneracy, prefer the absolutely retarded practice of tipping over making employers actually pay people.But I'm not complaining. You can still count on Eurochad tourists to humiliate the shit out of tipslave waiters.
>>18509988Tipping was definitely a thing for generations but what really pushed it over the line was giving businesses where tipping was prevalent, ie restaurants, an exemption on minimum wage regulations. As far as federal government regulations are concerned such businesses only need to pay tipped employees $2.15/hr instead of the federal minimum wage (some states may be higher than that on both).
If you don't want to leave a tip then don't fucking leave a tip. Most employees don't actually give a shit if you don't because they also don't like getting pressured to tipping people. The only people who see tipping culture as a problem are socially awkward wet blankets who probably can't even be fucking bothered to tell a fast food wageslave they accidentally gave them ice in their drinks they didn't ask for. God you are all so autistic it's astounding.
>>18509988Became a way to legally underpay people.Make clients feel more confidentAlso a way to cement class hierarchies.
>>18510782How does that detract from the points it made?
>>18510962>Became a way to legally underpay people.You can't legally underpay people, that's literally what the minimum wage is for. If you think the federal minimum wage is too low then take it up with Washington
>>18510978See>>18510948
>>18510814I don't tip either unless it's to impress a woman I am out with>t. American
>>18511120Right but that's wrong lmao. Some businesses do partially subsidize wages with tips but they still need to pay employees minimum wage, meaning if the tipped amount doesn't cover their wages the business in question still needs to pay them the rest. The way I look at it is all tips above what covers your wage is extra earned on commission. I've worked plenty of sales jobs that don't accept tips whatsover and will pay you extra based on how many sales you made above your weekly sales goals for example. But I can tell you probably haven't worked a day in your entire life so this might be all over your head
>>18511126>I've worked plenty of sales jobs that don't accept tips whatsover and will pay you extra based on how many sales you made above your weekly sales goals for exampleDude that's a commission.
>>18510978>that's literally what the minimum wage is forMin wage is ass anon. Hence the underpaid part. Also just as a heads up many waiting jobs that get tips have the lower base hourly pay.
>>18509988Because line cooks need enough to pay rent and afford drugs, as almost all line cooks are drug addicts who will blow all their tips on heroin or coke.
>>18510079I though circumcision wasn't a thing there, I guess the Jews finally got you.
>>18510967Journalists need to be deported.
Because companies realized they can make you pay their employees for them lol.
>>18509988Offloading paying your employees to the customerAlso a way to cut tax
>>18509988Racism. It was a way for employees to hire black people without paying them full minimum wage. It got codified into law. Then it extended to the rest of the working class.
>>18509988>The Post-Civil War Roots of American TippingBefore the Civil War, tipping was largely rejected in the United States. Many Americans viewed it as an elitist, European custom that was fundamentally anti-democratic because it established a "master-and-servant" class dynamic.However, after the passage of the 13th Amendment, the hospitality and rail industries found a loophole to exploit newly emancipated Black Americans. Restaurant owners and railroad companies (most famously the Pullman Company, which hired thousands of Black men as porters) refused to pay these workers a standard salary. Instead, they forced them to rely entirely on the favor and financial whims of white patrons for their income.This shifted the definition of a tip. In Europe, a tip was a bonus given "on top" of a living wage. In the American South and quickly spreading North, the tip became the wage itself.Despite fierce anti-tipping movements in the early 1900s where several states actually banned the practice the restaurant industry successfully lobbied to protect the system. When the United States established its first federal minimum wage under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) of 1938, lawmakers explicitly excluded restaurant and hospitality workers. This left a predominantly Black and female workforce completely unprotected by standard wage laws.It wasn't until 1966 that Congress amended the FLSA to include tipped workers, but they did so by introducing the "tip credit." This legal mechanism allows employers to pay an hourly wage far below the standard minimum wage, under the assumption that customer tips will make up the difference. In 1991, the federal subminimum wage for tipped workers was set at $2.13 per hour. Because of intense lobbying by the restaurant industry, that $2.13 baseline was decoupled from inflation in 1996. It remains the federal minimum wage for tipped workers to this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5bIeAEKjRk
>>18509988Dear Businesses,Your employees are not volunteers.Tips are not living wages. Please remunerate accordingly. If you can't afford to pay your employees properly, you can't afford to run a business.Thank You!
>>18510109>you're renting a servant for the duration of your visit.No, if that were the case, you would have exclusive access and endless options, but you don't, you have to share the server with several if not a dozen or so other tables and you are only allowed the specific recipes/services that the restaurant provides and after you are served, they pretty much only come along to harass you try to get you to move along so they can make more money on the table you are occupying.
>>18510967It undermines the points as being intentionally subjective with purposeful biased.
>>18510978>You can't legally underpay people,The restaurant in OP's picture obviously does if they have to buy signs to beg for extra "voluntary" payment to their obviously underpaid employee's who would basically be volunteering pro bono labor themselves if not for the extra tips.
>>18511167>Min wage is ass anon. Hence the underpaid part.Hence why I said to take it up with Washington anon>Also just as a heads up many waiting jobs that get tips have the lower base hourly pay.You keep saying this even though it's not actually true lmao
>>18511651What about empowering women, wouldn't it let people give women jobs back when it was illegal to employ women? And didn't those racist people famously have superior methods of making black people work for free while being fairly disgusted by the idea of black people handling their food?
>>18511681No offense but you might unironically be special needs if that's your takeaway from OPs image because it's completely off-base. Are they probably being payed a shit wage? Sure as shit they are but they're also not making below minimum wage. This thread is doing a great job at calling out the unemployed
>>18511690Its untrue in theory, but true in practice since employers are "suppose" to compensate employees that don't earn the typical minimum wage through tips, but in reality, they usually don't given that it is generally cash based and there is no real way to prove how much cash changed hands in a high volume industry.
>>18511692No offense, illiterate retard, but the sign directly implies that the employees would be earning volunteer tier wages without extra tips.
>>18511694>but in reality, they usually don't given that it is generally cash based and there is no real way to prove how much cash changed hands in a high volume industry."but in reality" you have never worked a real job a day in your life and you have no clue how any of this works. Stay in your lane aspieShitty employers use tips to subsidize wages on their end which eats into the servers earnings which is a shit practice, but they aren't being payed below minimum wage. The real argument here should just be that we should raise the minimum wage but here you are going on some diatribe about OPs image still
>>18511696>YOUR SERVER IS NOT A VOLUNTEER.You understand that this is a legal statement right? As in those servers aren't volunteers, they're paid employees. It's time to stop posting aspie.
>>18511698>durr da sine dat say dey pay is $2.13 akshly meen dey urn duble more dan $2.13.
>>18511699The Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25 anon, I hope this helps!
>>18511700The sign specifically says they only get paid $2.13 because that is the minimum wage for the tipped workers the business is taking advantage of. I hope this helps!
>>18511701This might be confusing for you, being mentally crippled and all, but if you look at that image that you're still autistically obsessing over for some reason, you'll see that "Their Pay" is not in hourly wages, it's the commission earned per table. You fucking retard
>>18511697>Shitty employers use tips to subsidize wages on their end which eats into the servers earnings which is a shit practice, but they aren't being payed below minimum wage.They are paid the minimum wage for tipped workers which is much lower than the regular minimum wage. There is a caveat in the minimum wage for tipped workers that employers should cover anything below the regular minimum, but there is no real way to track those stats when its mostly cash, so for the most part the employees will just eat any losses when they don't get tipped enough to cover the difference.
>>18511704>so for the most part the employees will just eat any losses when they don't get tipped enough to cover the difference.In the real world an employee would never "just eat" their losses, they'd raise hell because that's not legal. Christ alive you're so unemployed it hurts
>>18509988>your bill>$100.00>their pay>$2.12If only their employer were somehow able to take some of that remaining $97.87 and use it to pay their poor, underpaid employees.
>>18511703So they kick people off of the table after 17 and a half minutes in order to make sure the servers get federal minimum wage of $7.25 or they just assume each meal takes about an hour and use the actual tipped minimum wage that they pay their employees?
>>18511707The chefs at the restaurant also need a cut of the bill anon
>>18511706>In the real world an employee would never "just eat" their losses,They would either get a different job or since they are working shit jobs to begin with, they would have to put up with it.> they'd raise hell because that's not legalSure because people who make $2.13 per table totally have the money to hire lawyers that can rival the restaurant lobbies and its totally hard for a restaurant to just change names and/or locations if the restaurant actually does get sued.
>>18511708They get paid minimum wage for whatever their state is + a commission per table + tips. I don't know that exact restaurants operations obviously but if it's a shitty restaurant they might subsidize tips to make up for those wages, which is a really scummy practice but that's besides the point
>>18511711>Sure because people who make $2.13 per tableThat's the commission, not their wage. I'm honestly shocked that this is still confusing you to be honest. Look at the fucking image. "Their Pay" is factored into the final bill, which is per table, not per hour, a waiter can handle multiple tables at once by the way, I know you've never worked a real job before so you might not realize this.
>>18511712>They get paid minimum wage for whatever their state isAnd in that state, they are obviously abiding by the minimum tipped wage.>+ a commission per table Nope, nowhere does the image say anything about a commission and waitresses don't work on commission, they work on tips, it says their pay, not their commission.>if it's a shitty restaurant they might subsidize tips It is obviously a shitty restaurant and they are obviously subsidizing their employees wages with tips or they wouldn't be explicitly saying they would just be volunteering if they don't get tipped.>which is a really scummy practice It is a practice that is codified into federal law via scummy minimum wage for tipped workers carve outs.
>>18511717>Nope, nowhere does the image say anything about a commission and waitresses don't work on commission, they work on tips, it says their pay, not their commission.Wow. It still doesn't get it holy shit.
I think the confusion here is coming from the employers legally required "base pay" but that doesn't factor into their final wages because they still need to bridge that gap. That minimum is to ensure that they're a real employer at best. Tipped workers aren't literally making just $2 an hour
>>18511714No, the sign clearly says its their pay, not just the commission portion of their pay.> I'm honestly shocked that this is still confusing you to be honestI am shocked that you are retarded enough to think that waitresses work on commission when the sign is clearly begging for tips on their behalf instead.>"Their Pay" is factored into the final billBecause the restaurant charges a service fee they use to pay their employees the minimum wage for tipped workers.>a real job>food service tipped workYou went full retard, never go full retard, these jobs are for students and single moms, not for real jobs that have a serious career path.
>>18511718Yes, I will never accept or "get" your obvious lies where you pretend like waitresses at low tier restaurants that have tapped up signs begging for tips, work for commission instead of tips on top of something closer to the minimum wage for tipped workers.
>>18511722>You went full retard, never go full retard, these jobs are for students and single moms, not for real jobs that have a serious career path.Amazing how clueless retards like you who decided to become vanguards for the working class immediately goes on to dismiss the legitimacy of minimum wage labor. Get your head checked anon
>>18511721>>18511694
>>18511726You lost dude, now go get a job
IT IS A CUSTOM THAT STEMS FROM PURITANISM; IN CALVINISM, BEING SUCCESSFUL AND WEALTHY IS INDICATIVE OF HAVING BEEN PREDESTINED TO SALVATION, THEREFORE, TO SIGNAL THIS PUBLICLY, YOU TIP ALWAYS AND EXORBITANTLY; ALTHOUGH NOT ALL UNITEDSTATIANS ARE OF CALVINISTIC ORIGIN, AND MOST UNITEDSTATIANS, NOW, ARE ATHEISTIC, THE TIPPING CUSTOM HAS PERSISTED BY HABITUAL INERTIA.
>>18511725No, I was calling those restaurant owners liars and cheats, I wasn't being their vanguard or whatever and I was saying they take advantage of retards and part timers who can't get real jobs.
>>18511727No, the sign clearly references the tipped minimum wage and implies their employees would essentially be volunteering without extra tips, so they are explicitly bragging that they won't make up the difference if you don't tip.
>>18511731That's illegal>duuuh they just don do it anyways!Or they don't and you're basing all this off of a jpeg of a sign you can't seem to interpret for some reason
>>18511733You solved it, businesses have never done anything illegal, thanks for saving the waitresses since businesses definitely won't keep doing illegal things as long as the profits outweigh the fines.>can't seem to interpretExcept I can, you can't seem to justify your point without hallucinating things like commission that don't appear on the sign at all and have nothing to do with being a waitress.
>>18511741You're hallucinating entire illegal wage theft schemes that you also think they aren't even trying to hide even though no employee is going to want to work for such an establishment because you think waiters make only $2 an hour based on a graphic of a math equation on a piece of cardboard that clearly tallies up the final bill.
>>18511677You're only renting, not owning, yes.
>>18509988>Your server is not a volunteerTranslation: "We refuse to pay our staff a reasonable amount of money so we expect you to pay their wages out of your own pocket on top of what you're already paying, also you're an entitled asshole if you have any problem with this"Enjoy your meal sir :)
>>18511746>You're hallucinating entire illegal wage theft schemesNo I am not, there are dozens of class actions again major franchise restaurants (its nearly impossible to hold small mom and pop shops accountable because of how quickly they can dissolve old businesses through business bankruptcy and start new ones) regarding failure to compensate employees who didn't meet the actual minimum wage through tips and forcing the employees to drop down below those threshold due to forced tip pooling, but while profits outpace fines, they will keep doing it.https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/sol/sol20241220https://oag.dc.gov/release/attorney-general-schwalb-secures-175-million-wagehttps://www.classaction.org/news/ex-on-the-border-employee-claims-tipped-workers-owed-unpaid-wageshttps://www.classaction.org/news/little-rock-on-the-border-operator-hit-with-unpaid-minimum-wage-casehttps://www.classaction.org/news/the-cheesecake-factory-pegged-with-wage-and-hour-lawsuit-in-marylandhttps://www.employmentlawyernewyork.com/news/latest/new-collective-action-filed-vs-the-cheesecake-factory-restaurant-inc.htmlhttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/cheesecake-factory-accused-of-underpaying-its-tipped-workershttps://www.baileyglasser.com/news-federal-judge-allows-wage-lawsuit-23-applebees-restaurants-proceedhttps://www.classaction.org/news/new-york-conn-penn-applebees-workers-denied-proper-pay-lawsuit-claimshttps://www.overtimepaylaws.org/applebees-wage-claim/https://www.law360.com/articles/335888/texas-roadhouse-pays-5m-to-end-server-tip-suithttps://www.overtimepaylaws.org/texas-roadhouse-pays-out-texas-sized-settlement-for-unlawful-wage-practices/https://www.classaction.org/news/collective-action-claims-texas-roadhouse-owes-tipped-waitstaff-the-full-minimum-wagehttps://oag.dc.gov/release/attorney-general-schwalb-secures-175-million-wagehttps://www.pilieromazza.com/restaurants-are-prime-targets-for-flsa-lawsuits-6-tips-for-employers-relying-on-the-tip-credit/
>>18511747No, its not even really a timeshare since even in a timeshare situation, you get it all to yourself for the amount of time you pay for and don't have to live in it with other people and the caretakers aren't constantly coming along interrupting and subtly trying to get you to leave early, so they can charge someone else more rent money for your spot.
>>18511757Well good thing they were all caught anon. I hope you actually get a job so you don't have to spend your miserable existence headline spamming. Or maybe you'll succumb to Mean World Syndrome like a bitch and kill yourself, I don't really give a shit since you think all minimum wage employees are retards anyways. Thank Christ I'm not your parents because I'd be pretty disappointed to be honest
>>18511762>Well good thing they were all caught anonThey weren't, the same companies have repeated cases, and only a small percent of workers can eventually afford the lawyers or join the class action suits. >headline spammingThose aren't simply headlines, they are court case documentation, several from .gov sites.Good luck finding even one single job opening for a waitress that mentions commission payment, though you hallucinating retard.>since you think all minimum wage employees are retards anyways. Not all, I also said part timers are often stuck at minimum wage until they get their real job training done.Why would I care about the disappointment of some retard who doesn't even understand minimum wage and seems to think it is the wage of some large portion of the population instead of just a few low performers?
