Dinosaurs are fake

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>>18510613
Apparent. Age.

What you're saying is like if you told Bob Ross "you couldn't have painted that mountain, it took millions of years to form!"

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>>18510613
We still have dinosaurs.

>>18510628
That doesn't explain why they don't exist anymore or why god didn't mention them

Job 40:15-24, your move tranny

>Religious scripture never mentions anything that's unknown to whatever nation it was written in
>authors don’t write about concepts of which they know nothing
OP actually believes this is a foolproof argument

>>18510613
Yes, creationism is bullshit. They will die out soon enough, our attention is better invested elsewhere.
t. Christian

>>18510637
>a monster that was described as big
>doesn't provide any other information
woah totally deboonked me there

>>18510640
>>authors don’t write about concepts of which they know nothing
That's the entire point
The Bible, Quran etc were supposed to be the word of god but "god" doesn't provide the human authors with any information they couldn't have acquired through other sources

>>18510630
lol i eat these niggas kids every morning

>>18510673
>"god" doesn't provide the human authors with any information they couldn't have acquired through other sources
Sure he does - Jesus being the Son of God. The mark of the beast being 666. But you can't seem to have sources for this information yourself so your argument really is "the word of God doesn't provide them information in this very particular niche where they wouldn't know it, but precisely 2000 later I would know it and I couldn't explain it away by uncertain dating like I do with Daniel and I couldn't explain it away with people traveling and guessing like I do with whateverthefuck Muslims are yapping about". I don't even think you're completely wrong, but you definitely make your criterion sound more objective than it is.

>>18510613
>None of the writings
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

>>18510613
No religions mentioned the asteroid that killed 75% of all life after it hit the waters near Mexico lol.

Wouldn't a giant rock that killed 3 out of every 4 living creatures be important enough to mention in a religion if the religion was credible lol.

>>18510613
God placed the fossils there as a test. You failed.

>>18510687
This is their punishment for spending 160 million years eating mammals.

Stop picking on brown tradcaths. You don't get cool points by winning duels against unarmed men.

>No T. rex skeleton is entirely made up of original bones. Museums and exhibits instead display a mix of authentic, excavated fossils and accurate casts (replicas) of missing bones

OP, you believe non-objective information is objective. That's your problem. There is no concrete evidence that big giant lizards ruled the Earth a bajillion years ago.

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>>18510725
>There is no concrete evidence that big giant lizards ruled the Earth a bajillion years ago

>>18510719
You just mentioned it. The spirit of you is part of my religion.

>>18510628
>God. Lied.
kek

>>18510716
>No religions
My religion does

Why is God so inconsistent with His signs?

So God gave Moses permission to split the sea in half and hundreds of Jews and Egyptians were allowed to see it. And He also performed scientific miracles and predictions in His holy books as proof He is real. And He also provides anecdotal evidence to believers today, and there is supposedly proof of the great flood, and Noah's Ark's remains. But then God also decided to plant dinosaur bones to misguide people and He filled the Earth's core at the 66 million years ago layer with Iridium, especially around a 200 km wide crater, Iridium being a rare metal that basically only comes from space rocks. Lol.

>>18510716
>>18510719
Maybe its because that never happened, since its an unprovable theory. Theres massive nuclear craters in Kazakhstan from when the soviets detonated massive H-bombs and that caused nothing near a catastrophic extinction event

>>18510732
Re-read what I just wrote you stupid fuck.

>>18510694
>Jesus being the Son of God. The mark of the beast being 666.
this is shit anyone could've came up and isn't exactly provable

>very particular niche
I don't think thousands of species of giant lizards and how they ended up extinct is niche

>>18510715
That's fucking rediculous
>this is the Book of the most important information regarding the nature of existence
>but we had to cut it down so it wouldn't be too long lol

>>18510719
Exactly

>>18510725
If there's no proof then how were there any excavated fossils to begin with?

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>>18510759
>If there's no proof then how were there any excavated fossils to begin with?
Just look at this pic related. So they found the bones of some large turtle looking thing, and as you can see by the wiring they have no actual idea what the thing is, just speculation. There is NO concrete proof that this is a dinosaur from fucking 100 million years ago. Thats such a stupid fucking number to begin with.

>>18510745
>misguide people
Are you talking about Allah now? I know it says in the Quran that he makes things appear a certain way, opposite of truth.

>>18510759
>we had to cut it down
the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself".

It is finished.

>>18510763
good god I hope you're a troll
I know people can be retarded but your IQ is in the fucking negatives
jfc

>>18510746
The Chixculub impact crater occurs at a specific layer of Earth which is filled with iridium which is a rare metal that only comes from asteroids, and the dinosaur bones are all below this layer lol.

Why do believers spread their religion with violence and intimidation.
>you cant believe by evidence because then its not faith
Violence and intimidation is not faith either pal lol.

>>18510759
>>Jesus being the Son of God. The mark of the beast being 666.
>isn't exactly provable
Not to you. As was my point.

>>very particular niche
>I don't think thousands of species of giant lizards and how they ended up extinct is niche
It's incredibly niche first of all, and second of all how exactly would you expect to recognize what we call "brontosaurus" in Koine Greek?

>>18510769
>>18510745
What's the point of following a religion that tells you God will gaslight you?

>>18510777
>“Love your neighbor as yourself".
The unfortunate part is most Christians don't live by this rule
They just use the Bible to harass and hurt each other

>>18510673
The bible was written by particular people at a particular time and place in history. Their knowledge, experiences and thoughts were used in the inspiration of the bible. Inspiration of scripture doesn’t imply the bible should be a space alien textbook on quantum physics.

>>18510746
Lol

Size (Crater Diameter)
Kazakhstan (Atomic Lake / Chagan): ~400–430 meters wide (about 0.4 km).

Chicxulub (dinosaur extinction): ~180–200 km wide.

How many times bigger?

Chicxulub is roughly 450 times wider than the Kazakhstan crater.

To visualize:
If the Kazakhstan crater is the size of a large building (~400 m), Chicxulub is the size of a major metropolitan area (like a city 180+ km across).

Depth
Kazakhstan: ~100 meters deep.
Chicxulub: Transient crater (initial hole) was ~30 km deep; final structure buried under ~1 km of sediment today.

Energy / Magnitude (Explosive Power)

Kazakhstan (Chagan test):
140 kilotons (0.14 megatons) of TNT.

Chicxulub impact:
~100 million megatons (100 teratons) of TNT.

How many times more powerful?

The asteroid impact released energy equivalent to roughly 700 million times the Chagan explosion (or about 2 billion times a single Hiroshima bomb).

Lmao

Christ is still King

>>18510780
>rage quit
I get it, you dont have shit for a response. So you lash out.

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>Dinosaurs prove creationism is bullshit

Implying dinosaurs ever existed and it's not science fiction fairy tales for children.

>>18510800
>The asteroid impact released energy equivalent to roughly 700 million times the Chagan explosion (or about 2 billion times a single Hiroshima bomb).

Shit like this is so fuckin funny. By what metrics was this measured with? Its always, "Scientists have recently found!"

>>18510781
>The Chixculub impact crater occurs at a specific layer of Earth which is filled with iridium which is a rare metal that only comes from asteroids, and the dinosaur bones are all below this layer lol.

Oh yeah sure thing, just like how Plutonium was only man-made until they found natural Plutonium. It's really silly that you believe these to be so dogmatic

>>18510795

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews/Christians though they are not, but are liars, I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

>>18510808
All the statistics are there for you to measure and calculate for yourself. I'm sorry you dont like the conclusion.

>>18510792
>Not to you. As was my point.
So you just believe any random shit stated in the Bible without any evidence?
How the hell do you know 666 is the number of the devil and not 45? Because that's what they told you? Have you ever personally experienced anything evil connected to the number 666?

>how exactly would you expect to recognize what we call "brontosaurus" in Koine Greek?
Does that fucking matter?
Why would it matter what they'd call it?

I think calling it a niche is a cop out
There existed thousands of different, gigantic species of beasts which ruled the land, air and waters of the earth but for some reason they're all gone
I don't think it's niche to ask about that huge fucking gap in the creation myth

>>18510797
I really don't disagree with this post but the majority of people who believe in the Bible believe it is the direct word of god
I'm pointing out the holes in that idea

>>18510801
You seem to have no understanding of any process involved in archaeology and never bothered to research any of them so you let your first grade level understanding of fossils dictate your opinion on this matter

Read a fucking book

>>18510821
Thats kind of my point. There's craters from super volcano eruptions that dwarf virtually everything, and occurred during modern mans age on Earth. Still no mega extinctions

>>18510825
>appeals to authority
Your entire point seems to boil down to, "Umm someone in a white lab coat said it was true therefore I'm correct with my assessment." Most archeologists would agree with me that at best all they have is an educated guess. Idiot.

>>18510832
>listening to archaeologists explaining archaeology is...le bad
>archeologists would agree with me that dinosaurs aren't real and god created everything

nigger do you hear yourself?

How often do we have to tell you mutts that nobody outside of your (((bible belt))) believes in "creationism"?

>>18510837
>>listening to archaeologists explaining archaeology is...le bad
No, its just basic history. Antonie van Leeuwenhoek was considered insane and laughed out of relevancy when he discovered germs because he wasn't educated by any top universities that existed in the 17th century, and his claims seemed like delusions. This issue will never be solved, which is why many doctorates would even agree themselves that they don't have hard proof of anything that isn't observable, because even when it is, it's still not good enough.

>Putting words in my mouth

Lmao you are so frustrated that I don't believe your shit rock turtle is a super natural reptile from a shillion years ago. What I find even funnier is you seem like the type that would criticize capitalism, but suddenly wont apply it to these mythical/esoteric science discoveries.

>>18510732
Is that a full fossil? Or did they find a single bone and make the rest up?

>>18510832
it's really showing your retardation that you think we blindly believe scientists

The archaeologists provide detailed information on how they acquire and measure data relevant to the time of dinosaurs
This data is easily accessible, anyone can view it and most of the data is easily replicable

If you think thousands of archaeologists over the span of 150 years are wrong then you can easily perform the data they gather and view the results yourself

>>18510843
africans and muslims do

>>18510857
>If you think thousands of archaeologists over the span of 150 years are wrong then you can easily perform the data they gather and view the results yourself

So yes, you are infact admitting that you blindly believe these scientists and their methods despite the fact that history has repeatedly shown that "top minds" often have to alter or completely dismiss previous "objective" beliefs.

>>18510853
You can see in the photo here
>>18510763
That its a half slab of shit that theyve only attempted to explain

>>18510825
>>Not to you. As was my point.
>So you just believe any random shit stated in the Bible without any evidence?
I believe "they shoulda told me sth from my niche" is a poor argument.

>>how exactly would you expect to recognize what we call "brontosaurus" in Koine Greek?
>Does that fucking matter?
Yes it does, because you set it up as a criterion and it turns out you would never know if it were the case.

>I think calling it a niche is a cop out
No, details of extinct reptiles is definitely a niche, by pretty much all standards.

>>18510853
It's a full fossil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borealopelta

>>18510850
Leeuwenhoek actually had data and evidence to prove his point while the retards denying dinosaurs have to go up against every practice in the scientific method
your main argument is "this skeleton isn't complete" but if fossils were complete bullshit to begin with then there wouldn't be any fossils at all to even make a partial skeleton

>>Putting words in my mouth
That's literally what you were implying you nigger

>capitalism
nice way to prove you're a brain dead retard by making an unrelated discussion about politics

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>>18510871
>its a full fossil
>wikipedia

Oh my god you children are so fuckin stupid

We don't even have to look at fossils to recognize that Noah's Ark is nonsense.
The very idea that God thought to make a hard reset on the world in the hopes that the following generations of people would be better than the ones existing at that time by singling out a single family is so stupid.
At that point you may as wipe them all out.

>>18510862
nigger I personally review the fucking data these scientists produce in widely available literature
This is data you can view and test on your own

>>18510874
>Leeuwenhoek actually had data and evidence to prove his point
Yes, and he was still laughed out by the "top minded" peers of his generation you stupid asshole.

>but if fossils were complete bullshit to begin with then there wouldn't be any fossils at all to even make a partial skeleton

That wasn't the claim I made, the claim I made is that you have a chunk of dirt that kinda sorta looks like a turtle of some kind. Who cares? This is not definitive or objective proof that it was a dinosaur from 1000 millenniums ago
>nice way to prove you're a brain dead retard by making an unrelated discussion about politics
No, that point related to the fact that there is a monetized angle to modern science, which wasn't even a point that needed scrutiny from the past. Its only recent that research viability relies upon cash flow, which would make most of these findings even more dubious.

>>18510869
if your religion can't explain mega extinctions then it probably isn't real

Regardless of it being a niche it is still a major factor in natural history and if it's not explained by your creation story then it's not true

>>18510883
And if you ever took a 9th grade statistics course you would realize saying, "but I looked at the data" is completely irrelevant. If you took a 10th grade civics or political science class then you would realize simply saying, "but I looked at the data" is a fallacy that only a stupid person would hold stock in

>>18510883
>>18510892
Break it up, you two!
Take it to /sci/!
>>>/sci/

>>18510887
>he was still laughed out by the "top minded"
You don't understand my point
He had credible proof of his theory
Dino deniers don't

>chunk of dirt that kinda sorta looks like a turtle
So it's a chunk of dirt that has all the accurate anatomy?

>fact that there is a monetized angle to modern science,
Just because the field of scientific research can be corrupt like any other field doesn't mean everything it produces is fake or bias, you fucking moron
Cooking your meat or washing your produce to prevent bacteria from entering your body is also the product of scientific research, are you going to stop doing that?

My sides, using Leeuwenhoek to disprove science is completely absurd. Immediately after they saw what he saw they acknowledged it.

>Logical Argument:
Suppose God wanted to fake the existence of dinosaurs to test people's faith. This implies that evidence is not good for knowing the truth, which contradicts the idea of God's books predicting scientific discoveries, because scientific evidence cannot be trusted, therefore predictions of science in the Bible also cannot be trusted as "proof." So if the bible has scientific miracles in it, then why does God also tell us not to trust science at the same time? And why does God also tell us to ignore evidence and proof? The antichrist supposedly is going to come in the future WITH PROOF and signs and we are told to REJECT him. This is rather suspicious. Because the Bible effectively wants you to believe in God WITHOUT a reason AND the Bible also wants you to REJECT any future prophets that come bearing PROOF and EVIDENCE of their claims. Rather sketchy...?

Evidence Argument:
There is evidence dinosaurs were real, below the Earth's surface are many layers of history. The farther you go down, the older it gets. There is a special layer estimated around 66 million years ago that is filled with iridium, a rare metal that almost always comes from asteroids and space rocks rather than forming naturally on the Earth. Suspiciously, the dinosaur bones are all below that layer, meaning all the dinosaurs lived before that moment. There's also the massive 200 km Chixculub impact crater near Mexico, craters like that are also formed by asteroids, except this one is big enough that no asteroid could make such a crater unless it were a crater massive enough to cause significant damage to the Earth and potentially extinct the dinosaurs.

>Trust Argument:
There are many people who do not even believe there is evidence of the dinosaurs' existence. So if God wanted to deceive Mankind by planting dinosaur bones in the ground, why did he only show the dinosaur bones to some and allow others to see no proof of the dinosaur bones, why didn't deceive everyone equally? Lol.

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How can these stupid idiots not believe in dinosaurs when we have fossils like this!

(This is actually just a Komodo Dragon skeleton thats a few decades old) but who cares! Its a skeleton that was fossilized! Therefore whatever scientists determine means its objectively true!

>>18510892
nigger you are not understanding me
I have personally tested the data through the means I am able and you can too

I am rather curious to know what you're basing your argument on if it's not empirical evidence

>>18510905
see
>>18510910

>>18510906
>immediately
Not only is that bullshit, germ theory to this day is scrutinized by many different "experts" in their practice

>>18510911
>I have personally tested the data through the means I am able and you can too

Lmfao, HOW? How have you tested and concluded that its infact 100 million years old?

>>18510910
This looks nothing like dinosaurs.

>>18510890
>if your religion can't explain mega extinctions then it probably isn't real
That's one of the most arbitrary standards I think anyone has ever suggested, Anon.

Maybe if your mega exctinctions cannot explain the irrationality of pi then they're probably aren't real. Because whatever doesn't address my niche is fake and gay.

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>>18510919
lmfao

So scientists also believe that whales used to be land creatures that evolved to be big and have massive lungs so they could hold their breath under water for a long time. And modern whales cannot breathe under water they take massive breaths with their gigantic lungs and they need to surface every once in a while to breathe air again and then they splash all the humans watching them and go back under the water. Whales also still have a small hip bone that scientists say was never phased out of the gene pool and kinda just sits there doing nothing. How do you explain that. If whales were designed specifically to swim in the waters, why does a swimming creature have to breathe air and not water like the other sea creatures, and why does it have a hip bone for no reason. Doesn't that support the theory that it was a land animal that evolved over time to have big lungs lol.

>>18510832
>dwarf
Chicxulub dwarfs Toba.


Toba was one of the largest volcanic events and stressed ecosystems (possibly contributing to local hardships or genetic pressures), but it was not on the scale of a mass extinction driver like Chicxulub.

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>>18510910
>just a Komodo dragon fellow christcucks, nothing to see here

>>18510913
>Not only is that bullshit
It's not and Leeuwenhoek has nothing to do with germ theory.
What, you don't belive in germs either?

Humans still have tailbones from when we had tails and we somewhat resemble chimpanzees a little bit even though there's a lot of evolution between us they kinda have the same general build as us lol.

>>18510913
>see
>komodo dragon skeleton

It is a nice skeleton, I'll give you that


>>18510915
testing soil is very easy and you will get the same results mentioned in literature

>>18510923
>THIS BOOK EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT LIFE
>*doesn't explain an important piece about life on earth

kek

I can't tell anymore if this website is now full of schizos or if it's just shitposters. Every time someone makes a thread about dinosaurs some guy claims the fossils are all fake. It's not just /his/, but /an/, /tv/ and probably also other boards.

>>18510935
>christcucks
The vast majority of Christians believe that dinosaurs existed.

>>18510935
>>18510725
>No T. rex skeleton is entirely made up of original bones. Museums and exhibits instead display a mix of authentic, excavated fossils and accurate casts (replicas) of missing bones

>>18510944
>testing soil is very easy and you will get the same results mentioned in literature
Testing soil is fine but its still no where near objective. Just like how soil tests determine rapid climate change that happened in the bronze age around the Mediterranean, but magically isnt accurate enough to disprove anthropomorphic climate change

>>18510952
Its probably some kind of false flag raid, or one crazy autistic guy.

>"i don't believe in that modern science bullshit, you stupid sheep"
>"but i do believe in everything the bible says without evidence"

>>18510936
You know what I mean dipshit.

>>18510953
And the vast majority of dinosaur nonbelievers are christcucks. Two things can be true at the same time my little retard

The existence of DNA is what really proves evolution though.
>Everyone's body is filled with DNA
>We can easily use that DNA to confirm someone's ancestry with high accuracy
>Sperm has only half the DNA as the rest of the body has, the female egg has the other half
>When the sperm and female egg combine, they form the full chromosomes for a new child
>There is random variance in the DNA of the sperm and egg, which allows the child to have unique differences, so the child is not just the mother and father combined exactly, but with some random variation
>If you repeat this process many times, it is obvious that after many generations, the DNA can look drastically different from the ancestors
>If some environmental pressure causes a lot of specific genes to die out, then that factor could drive "evolution"
>We share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees and there's human/chimp-like fossils in Africa from many generations ago
Lol.

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>>18510955
>this skeleton is only 90% complete so it's fake!!!
Smartest godtard

>>18510960
>>18510953
No one is proposing that creatures never existed that have been excavated, its the assertion that they are thousands of millennia old and apart of some mythic genus that we can only understand because "dude we got computers now"

>>18510955
>but magically isnt accurate enough to disprove anthropomorphic climate change
because all natural science tests prove climate change is real

If you think billions of people burning gas, producing smog, destroying forests etc has no effect on the planet's temperature then you are completely retarded

>>18510966
>the skull is fake
Yes, exactly! Coming to that conclusion with those selected bones is ridiculous

>>18510968
so the dinosaurs bones aren't that and they aren't actually dinosaur bones they're bones to some other creature?

>>18510972
I mean it doesn't because rapid climate change has been documented and reoccurring a thousand years before an SUV was let off the assembly line. Rapidly as well, many believe the bronze age climate change happened in less than a century

>>18510973
if you weren't illiterate you'd know they have a real skull on display

>>18510975
No, there just some fuckin bones that people have only attempted to reconstruct.

Its plausible that a skeleton like this
>>18510910
Could get burried and uncovered 1,000 years from today, and whatever they got going on then will probably be widely off than the reality at hand

>>18510980
Oh what you got another wikipedia article for that one little man?

>>18510944
>>THIS BOOK EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT LIFE
>>*skips how big lizards died
Wrap it up, guys, the book is useless!

>>18510977
Even if it isn't the sole cause it does contribute to the problem

It's funny that people think just because climate change isn't man made means we shouldn't do anything about the effects it'll have on humans

>>18510989
>Even if it isn't the sole cause it does contribute to the problem
Well no, but I'm being told its my AC unit and cow farts that are actually contributing to it, which is patently stupid. Ontop of the catastrophic environmental damage due to modern PM mining that magically doesnt contribute to climate change either

>>18510982
>there just some fuckin bones that people have only attempted to reconstruct
Please explain to me which species a supposed Trex skull belongs to

>>18510988
>the book is useless
Yes
If it doesn't explain the creation of earth then it's useless

>>18510825
>I'm pointing out the holes in that idea
The only holes I’m seeing are the ones in your brain. See literally the post you’re quoting and claiming to agree with to explain why the doctrine of inspiration doesn’t imply the bible should be something unintelligible to its original audience >>18510797

>>18510993
>supposed Trex skull
I dont really care, I just dont believe it was a 19 foot tall lizard with knob arms from 100,000 centuries ago

>>18510992
>which is patently stupid.
I agree
But I think we can all agree the exhaust fumes produced by vehicles or factories don't have any benefits
To the environment or to people

>>18510993
>>the book is useless
>Yes
>If it doesn't explain the creation of earth then it's useless
I see. Out of interest, how many times in the past ... let's say.... 8 years have you used the knowledge of creation of earth?

>>18510997
No, I don't agree that the exhaust fumes that I exhale are going to cause the civilized world to end on the account of bad weather. The amount of actions humans have taken to clean their act compared to previous centuries is one thing, plus I think its chauvinistic to believe we humans created cars and factories so mighty that it could end the planet as we know it.

>>18510995
I don't think god explaining dinosaurs or the appalachian mountains to semitic writers would've made the book unintelligable
The fucking thing mentions talkings snakes, is it out of bounds to have giant lizards?

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the bible mentions leviathans, behemoths, dragons and cockatrices

>Job 40
15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.

>>18510996
No, I want to know
The scientists have a decent answer by saying that skull belonged to a species of reptile

You're saying it's a real skull but refuse to tell me what it's from

>>18511006
>is it out of bounds to have giant lizards?
It's kinda pointless. A talking cunning snake is about communicating with inherent danger, something at the limits of your perception and understanding. What are huge lizards walking and dying about?

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By changing the DNA of mice, scientists at Colossal biosciences were able to make the mice grow fluffy golden brown hairs, proving that the physical body comes from DNA.

You can confirm someone's ancestry and relatives by comparing their DNA. This is so accurate it can be used in court as acceptable biological evidence.

Cum contains only half as much DNA as the rest of the body, and womb eggs contain the other half. When you cum into the womb, the two halves of the DNA combine to make a Zygote which has full human DNA.

Small variances in DNA occur every generation, which can build up over time, which is the basis for evolution proving it is possible, it can be examined in bacteria in real time. The evolution part also adds that environmental stressors can contribute to the changes in DNA in a meaningful way. This can also be observed in real time like when bacteria become resistant to antibiotics.

DNA is like a manual for building your body. If you have kids, then your manual is combined with your wife's manual to form your kid's manual, but with some random spice thrown in. This is why kids look just like their parents combined, but not exactly. If the kid survives long enough to have his own kids, then his manual gets copied again too. Nature can sometimes filter out bad manuals, this is evolution. If trees are too tall to eat fruit, then the manuals with short necks die off and the manuals with long necks live on, giraffes lol.

>>18510998
the bible is fucking useless so I don't use a damn thing from it

>>18511006
>The fucking thing mentions talkings snakes
it actually mentions Satan/Lucifer who is an angel. snakes are a figure of Satan in that Satan is a dirt-eating poisonous killer. other "fiery serpents" torment the children of israel in the wilderness.
in fact, even if you thought the serpent in Eden were just a literal snake for some reason, it would only be one(1) talking snake, not multiple.

>>18511009
Nope, all the have are recasts and recreations. Also now that dinosaur bones are monetized then every single stupid bone or whatever HAS to fall into that criteria, or else its thrown in the trash so to say

>>18511004
aight
We seem to be on two different ends so I'll just leave it here

>>18511006
The bible does mention dinosaurs as was explained to you early in the thread and you chose to disregard. However, the reason the bible mentions dinosaurs is because they still walked this earth. They were not unfamiliar to the author and his audience. I’m responding to the general principle you’ve asserted, that if the bible is the word of God it should talk about natural facts unknown to its original audience, which is absurd.

>>18511007
>>Job 40
>15 “Look at Behemoth,
>which I made along with you
>and which feeds on grass like an ox.
>16 What strength it has in its loins,
>what power in the muscles of its belly!
>17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
>the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.

>Reading the bible as a literalist retard
>what are similes and metaphors?

That's a description of a giraffe.

>>18511010
>What are huge lizards walking and dying about?
they could've been about god protecting man by eliminating a threatening species and god explaining to man the sacrifices he made to let them thrive

They also could've been an example that even big, strong beasts were nothing compared to god

>>18511023
Okay. For what it's worth I used to believe in exactly what you did about 20 years ago when I was much younger. Since then theres been so many retarded "revisions: to what I was originally taught that I really dont care anymore.

I mean shit, top "dieticians" have yet to even land on what is and isn't an objectively good diet for humans that I cant even comprehend why anyone gives a shit about whats speculated 100 million years ago. We've gotten the youth to quit cigarettes and yet colon cancer is now killing people under 40. Its ALL bullshit for the most part.

>>18511024
>The bible does mention dinosaurs as was explained to you early in the thread
Which post?

>it should talk about natural facts unknown to its original audience
Wasn't that the supposed entire point of the bible though? To teach semites about the creation of earth?

>>18511029
Giraffes have tails like a cedar tree?
>this is a metaphor
>which means it has nothing in common with the metaphor

>>18511044
nta, but I find it funny that you will scrutinize text from 10,000 years ago in comparison to the assertion that we know what animals looked and acted like 100,000,000+ yeasr ago lmao

>>18511052
because those animals from 1000,000,000+ years ago have more empirical evidence than the stories from 10'000 years ago

>>18511052
>10000 years ago
Christcucks are pretty funny ngl

>>18511044
>Which post?
Here >>18510637
>Wasn't that the supposed entire point of the bible though?
No. The point of the bible is to reveal God, His nature and His holiness to men, their sin and condemnation, the only way of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, how God is to be worshipped, and how men are to live under God.

>>18511052
Not him but I don't really understand this argument at all. Why is it bad to criticize a book from a long time ago that has no evidence? And why is that comparable to using evidence to make a statement about something that is even longer? Age and history is not the important thing here, it's the evidence and the facts that are important, one is just a story, there's plenty old stories, the age of the story doesn't matter, it's what the story implies that matters. Lol.

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>>18511068
Evidence and facts is when the authority figure tells me what the correct opinions are

>>18511036
> god protecting man by eliminating a threatening species
They weren't threatening us, they could barely survive in our climate

>They also could've been an example that even big, strong beasts were nothing compared to god
The Bible already has that.

>>18511071
What about when the authority figure is anti-Science? Then evidence and facts is when you doubt the authority figure lol.

>there are people who unironically believe there were fucking sauropods roaming around bronze age middle east

>>18511007
Funny how the most recognizable feature of sauropods - long neck, wasn't mentioned.

I'm an Apparent Age Creationist; an old earth was made ~6000 years ago. And I say that Behemoth is obviously an elephant and Leviathan obviously a crocodile.
>but why fossils
because dinosaurs lived a long time ago and the earth (and the universe) was made 6,000 years ago. fossilization is an ongoing process and therefore part of an old earth.

>>18511066
I did reply to it
Those verses only describe a big beast which could've been fucking anything

>>18511071
it's funny how many of these people claim "science is just a religion" when they just don't understand it
They claim it's a religion only sheep follow then propose the only alternative being a literal religion that demands it's followers to be mindless sheep

>>18511082
>muh apparent age creationism
Nice cop out, prove the earth wasn't created last Thursday.

Forget dinosaurs, it would be pretty fucking helpful to mention bacteria and viruses.

>>18511071
>>18511084
IDK if this comes as a surprise to anyone in this thread, but religion has historically been used BY the authorities to CONTROL their people. A lot of religions are about control, submission, and basically letting yourself be cucked by the higher classes, telling slaves to serve their masters, telling the dalits they are below the brahmins, giving you clear laws and rules that benefit the ancient society. It's literally "just trust me bro" even moreso than science is. Religion is more about trusting the authority more than science is by a country mile. The entire basis of religions is that you need to believe in an invisible authority figure and follow his laws for no reason and testing him is a sin lol.

>>18511075
There are a thousand and one ways the dinosaurs could've been used in the bible

The main point is god in any of these holy books explains or describes any earthly elements unknown to man at that time

>>18510746
>1 nuke is equal to a 6 mile wide asteroid hitting Earth
This is why no one takes you people seriously aside from your fellow retards.

>>18511091
I'm not gonna lie, it would be cool if God dropped in a useless fun fact about dead reptiles. Would it be relevant to what the Bible is about? Not really... Would it provide some unique symbolic opportunities? No... Would any atheists pick up the cross if they saw big lizards mentioned in the Bible? Please...

Ancient religious books only deal in things that are known at the time, based on simple observations, and then make up extraordinary tales to describe the things that are unknown at the time, and then hint that they might be symbolic or metaphors so that you can't disprove it later, just as a backup plan in case humanity ever finds out the answers one day. It's very clear about things that are known at the time, like an ostrich running fast.
>Yet when she spreads her feathers to run, she laughs at horse and rider.
Let's make a clear observation about something that we know, but then lets only make vague symbolic references to everything else so that way nobody can disprove us later when people learn more about the world. Penguins aren't even mentioned in the Bible once because Jews didn't know penguins existed. There's no mention of antarctica or any place the Jews didn't know about in the Bible because God didn't want to tell them anything they didn't already know, and if He did He was symbolic and vague about it so the future generations couldn't say it was wrong lol.

>>18511100
>Would any atheists pick up the cross if they saw big lizards mentioned in the Bible?
If the bible or quran actually provided undisputable information about some aspect of earth that was otherwise unknown to men then I'd may actually consider religion

>>18511104
There are three things required to actualize.

Knowledge
Motivation
Ability.

Science is knowledge
Religion is motivation.

You're reading a book about spirituality as if its a scientific text book. Thats not what it is.

Good Science will tell you how to build an atomic bomb. Good Religion will tell you not to use it.

>>18511064
Oh please, "empirical evidence" becomes abstract real quick in almost every study. This is more observable and concrete than dinosaurs ironically enough.

>>18511106
The thing is, most atheists are willing to become religious if they saw convincing evidence, however most theistic people are the exact opposite way. Theists are told by their own scripture to REJECT someone who comes with evidence. They are told that evidence contradicting their religion is always FALSE or a deception. They are even explicitly told that there will be a great false prophet who comes bearing actual signs and evidence and proof. So they are not only taught to believe an invisible authority figure for no reason, but they are also taught to deny any future prophets who come with actual evidence and proof.

>Dinosaurs: FAKE
>Germs: FAKE

The antichrist is even described as performing miracles like making it rain fire out of the sky. What if a REAL prophet came in the future, preaching the one TRUE religion but he didn't agree with any existing religion? Well, the abrahamic religions will call him a false prophet BECAUSE he came with proof. Lol.

>>18511106
"Undisputable" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Say God communicated to the Hebrews that there existed dinosaurs. Say he even communicated an approximate timeline of when they existed. At what point in the Bible do you think they would've mentioned it? Anything past Gen 1 and Gen 2 is too late. Gen 1 is intentionally stripped to symbolic basics and doesn't mention individual species of anything, so it's Gen 2. Animals are brought up in verses 19 and 20:

>19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
>20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals but for Adam no suitable helper was found.

Let's just shove them dinosaurs up there.

>20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals [including massive lizards who later died out] but for Adam no suitable helper was found.

...you would dispute this in 0.5 seconds, if not for the vagueness then for the misleading depiction of dinosaurs living alongside humans. In reality there is no realistic way in which dinosaurs could have been incorporated into the Bible that would compel you to religion. It's just one of those niche topics that people like today and wish the Bible had told them about it. But in reality it's entirely irrelevant to human spiritual struggle and to reliability.

>>18511113
>making it rain fire out of the sky
This is jyst knowledge and ability. Good Religion tells us we dont want fire raining from the sky. Therefore, a being who is doing this has bad motivations. Knowledge and ability are just tools.

What are the motivations of the being that is weilding the tools?

>>18511111
What a get to be wasted on a post so mid.

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>>18511113
>convincing evidence
If fire raining down from the sky is evidence of God to you, then you worship malevolence. That is not a Good religion.

>>18511127

Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

>>18511129
>then whence cometh evil?
>>>Open question is ... le paradox
Bro get btfo'd in your own thread like usual

>>18511084
>Those verses only describe a big beast which could've been fucking anything
>yeah I don’t believe the bible because it doesn’t mention dinosaurs
>NO NOT THAT MENTION OF DINOSAURS!
>>18511106
You’re lying to yourself and us because you desire an excuse for your unbelief. The bible does mention the big lizards, but you want to tell yourself it doesn’t count to preserve the excuse.

>>18511112
what evidence do you have that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago?

>>18511119
The vagueness is certainly just further proof the bible is not god's word
Why would god be so vague when describing his creation, especially if he commanded people to believe in him?
Why wouldn't he be as detailed as possible?

>>18511087
why should I? who would that benefit?

>>18511136
The Behemoth is not described as a reptile
It could be anything
It could've been a fucking rhino for all we know

>>18511136
>The bible does mention the big lizards
show me

>>18511142
>The Behemoth is not described as a reptile
So now your argument is the bible is not using modern taxonomical categories so it can’t be dinosaurs?
>show me
Asked and answered

>>18511135
The formation of Good is a selection process. Evil comes from ungodly agents.

>>18511145
The Behemoth is not describe has having scales or distinctive characteristics of a lizard

The Behemoth literally could be anything

And it's still a total shit argument because the Behemoth is only one supposed account of a dinosaur, doesn't explain the others or why they went extinct

>>18511137
>what evidence do you have that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago?
The modern replication crisis that we're living in, for one

>>18510613
>None of the writings any religion is based on mention dinosaurs or how they all ended up extinct
Why should it...
Another athiest thread
>>18511165

>>18511158
Did someone tell you that the bible is a science textbook? You realise its a religious text about morality, not science.

>>18510613
>peasants
Lol. I doubt it was written by peasants.

>>18511164
can you please provide some scientific literature on how paleontological dating has been affected by the replication crisis

>>18511173
if they saw a giant lizard I think they'd describe a fucking giant lizard

>>18511158
You think dinosaurs had scales?

>>18511129
Well God rains fire from the sky on Sodom and Gemmorah lol.

>>18511182
You could begin to explain how it isnt?

>>18511190
They had rigid sking that one would mistake as scales

>>18511199
The dating methods used by archaeologists

>>18510613
The fossils were placed by God to test our faith

>>18511246
What about them?

Don't trust the experts. The experts are deceiving you with their technology and their medicine. Trust the book written by shepherds or else you will burn in a fire. So much better than "just trust me bro" like the scientists believe. You literally worship science and you bend the knee to scientists lmao. I have the freedom to do everything my god said 2000 years ago so that way I don't burn in the fire. Heh. Keep bending the knee to authority figures you science idiots. We religious folk never bend the knee to authority figures, we don't just "trust the science" lmao, we believe in God because the Bible says so, amen heh. Trusting shepherds and ancient miracle workers is much better than trusting experts and their lame technology and medicine.
Lol.

>>18511289
The dating methods used by archaeologists lay out a a well explained idea of how long ago the dinosaurs live

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDvKD_z3OeQ&list=LL&index=2

I was in a thread like this on another board and they posted this I thought it was interesting