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What's unlucky is that race science has come leaps and bounds and vindicated much of old racialist theory. It has however dismissed a lot of it too.
There are really only two races. The African supergroup and the Eurasian supergroup. The latter experienced several genetic bottlenecks as it travelled throughout the continent and crossed the Bering. The biggest bottleneck of them all however is believed to have been ~10kya when farming began. Land settlers simply outbred everyone else.

>>18511974
>>18511912
Racial and genetic science in the 1930s was still in the Middle Ages, there was no DNA testing and whatnot and most of it was akin to astrology.

>>18511983
Not really. Victorian era ethnolinguistic identification served as a pretty good proxy for genetic clustering. It's why it was known well before DNA sequencing that there must have been some sort of ancestral link between modern Iranians and northern Indians and modern Europeans. And that people like the Finns and Hungarians must have had different ancestral origins compared to their other European neighbours.

>>18511995
Linguistics doesn't serve as a good proxy for genetic clustering even if it can point out ancient connections. Genetically Hungarians cluster close to Austrians and Austrians are closer to Hungarians than to northern Germans.

>>18512003
>Linguistics doesn't serve as a good proxy for genetic clustering even if it can point out ancient connections.
Yes they do.
>Genetically Hungarians cluster close to Austrians and Austrians are closer to Hungarians than to northern Germans.
That's not a rebuttal.

You are a nigger.

>>18512016
If it did serve as a proxy for genetic clustering Hungarians would cluster with Mansis and not Austrians and Maltese would cluster with Saudis and not Sicilians.

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>>18511983
>we wuz Aryans n shiet
>those other blue-eyed, blonde, white people? literally subhuman
>asiatic finns? prime Aryan matierl
>arabs? almost white (darker than every Slav on earth) seems good to me
>Jews? scum of the earth, but Jesus H. Christ was pure Aryan stock like a Finn

>>18511912
>socialists are retarded
yes we know

Nazis wanted everyone to be their allies even if they considered many inferior. So basically, Slavs, Jews, Blacks, Mutts and Gypsies were the only ones shat on. Indians maybe sometimes. Every other group was ambiguously "honorary aryan" so this is why neonazism is popular in so many parts of the planet, as many different groups feel 'approved for' by Nazi Germany. For them, getting German approval immediately invalidates any other European disapproval, as the Nazis themselves thought Germany was the best thing out of Europe.

>>18511912
They didn't even do it consistently. They constantly revised thewir theories regarding the east for reasons of expediency. See, for example, their opinions on gorals and the cossacks.
>>18511974
>Race science has been vindicated
>But also somehow completely thrown every single defining apect of it away except the most general.

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>>18511912
>HEIL HITLER
SIEG HEIL VICTORIA

>>18512663
There are genetically distinct subspecies. So it has been vindicated.

>>18512016
>Yes they do.
No, labguage shifts are a constant occurrence.
>That's not a rebuttal.
It was one. How are you this angry about people replying to you in the most inoffensive eay possible? Who hurt you?

>>18512681
Again, not a rebuttal nignog. The Hungarian language is not a shift of a related European language. It is a deposited language from a distinct ethnos.
Ethnolinguistic groups were identifable substitutes for race before Crick and Watson. Squirm marxist nigger.

The intent of this is correct but it has a lot of inaccuracies especially the pyramid. Mediterranean should be ranked above East Baltic and next to Alpine. East Baltic should be its own category as the lowest of all Europeans. They didn't consider Slavic a race and Slavic or Baltic in of themselves shouldn't be included at all, it depended on the individual and their skull shape and phenotype. If after having their skull measured and phenotype analyzed as Nordic (as well as having a lack of hereditary diseases, tooth decay, and birthmarks) they would be eligible to be Germanized, if they were East Baltic then they'd be treated about as well as you would expect.

>>18512680
Subspecies doesn't have a set definition. And that's not what scientific racism posited beyond the most general.

>>18512698
What's the difference between an East Baltic Prussian and East Baltic Pole? Can the Pole be Prussianized?

>>18512710
From the Nazi racial science point of view, nothing. Your phenotype was your race more or less, this is why they believed that Welsh people with black hair and swarthy skin were Mediterranean. They had no idea about DNA at this time. Günther wrote in his book that the Eastern provinces of Germany that had Germans who were racially East Baltic were inferior and prone to criminality. In the Hitler youth handbook it says that East Baltics have produced almost no outstanding people in German history. But you can't just genocide East Baltic Germans like you can to Eastern Europeans living under German occupation even though they were still seen as biologically undesirable element within Germany. The Nazis wanted to wipe Eastern Europe of the East Baltic race and settle it with Nordics, which would create a population boom of Nordic blood there that would in turn make Germany eventually more Nordic.

>>18512705
>if I pretend words and data don't mean anything, I can believe anything I want
Cope

>>18511983
Modern popgen is also astrology, you just think its good because that is the current consensus.

>>18512754
is that what BAP told you

>>18512754
We know the number of base pairs in the human genome so we can actually calculate the full genomewide similarity between populations. For convenience most tests compare a much smaller number of select markers, otherwise we'd get those 99,9% similarities.

>>18511983
That's like saying that chemistry was in the middle ages before we had atomic "microscopes" which is just an absurd statement.
Archaic racial science was never disproven or 'debunked', people only disliked the tribalism present in it.
>our genes are better
this is not a really a scientific statement per-se and its chiefly what modern academics have a problem with, due to their cult of anti-race.
however the statement "our genes are different, and this race is this way and that race is that way, and they were formed by these conditions and they did those things and moved here, and this race intermingled with that race." these are testable scientific statements which are thrown out despite them being vindicated by modern genetics.

>>18511912
>nafris are aryan
based and correct
we're white too

>>18512762
>>18512764
There is zero difference between believing in "fate" (orientation of planets) and "biological determinism" (i.e. reducible molecular sequences), except you hate the former because you associate it with female-ness/cringe.
It's all about pretending you're a God that can accurately project the future in the end.

>>18512686
>Ethnolinguistic groups were identifable substitutes for race before Crick and Watson
Most didn't work out that well. Especially in places with high movement and changes. Central Europe is filled with Germanized Slavs and Slavicised Germans. Many people in Africa who speaks a Bantu language aren't actually Bantu or pure Bantu and vice versa.

>>18513070
Is this AI or are you actually typing out all this niggerbabble?

Victorians actually believed Austrians and East Germans were of the Germanic race and not slavs and ugrics lol.

>>18511912
Perfect for their goals, A+

>>18511974
>>18512765
I wasn't aware that the progenitors of Ancient China, Sumer, Tibet, and Mesoamerican civilizations were all originally part of a Germanic Nordic race from Atlantis that evolved to the harsh conditions of the Ice Age, that people with rounded heads are subhuman and incapable of higher thought, World Ice Theory is true, and that 2 siblings with the same parents can belong to entirely different "races". It's news to me that this has all been vindicated by modern science.

>>18514029
People didn't think people with rounded heads were subhumans and incapable of higher thought, old descriptions of David Hume say that his intelligence defied all knowledge of physiognomy.

>>18513059
Males being taller than females is also "biological determinism", dumbfuck. You're just denying reality

>>18513059
>mentally ill retard can't tell the difference between unfalsifiable correlation and demonstrable causation

>>18514029
>the progenitors of Ancient China, Sumer, Tibet, and Mesoamerican civilizations were all originally part of a Germanic Nordic race from Atlantis that evolved to the harsh conditions of the Ice Age, that people with rounded heads are subhuman and incapable of higher thought, World Ice Theory is true, and that 2 siblings with the same parents can belong to entirely different "races". It's news to me that this has all been vindicated by modern science.
no one ever thought this.

>>18514190
Those were all official positions of the German third reich (sans maybe the one about round-heads being sub-human, because of realpolitik), though. I'm not sure if anyone ever thought all of them in conjunction were true. But certainly there were many people who thought at least some of them were true.
And except Deutsche Physik all of those could be classified as a form of early 20th century race-science or at least race-science adjacent (back then archeology, history, and race-science were pretty close to eachother).

>>18514243
>Those were all official positions of the German third reich
The anon didn't say the Nazees' racial beliefs were vindicated by modern science. Blatant distortion you're trying there. He said
>our genes are different, and this race is this way and that race is that way, and they were formed by these conditions and they did those things and moved here, and this race intermingled with that race." these are testable scientific statements which are thrown out despite them being vindicated by modern genetics

>>18514243
no, none of those positions were found in Rein's Race and Culture of our ancestors, the official statement on race by the Nazis.
Furthermore, in a basic sense, yes Indo-Europeans had contact with Ancient Civilizations across the world.
They had contact with China, Sumer, and the Indus. MesoAmericans excepted and I dont believe the nazis ever once said ancient Nords were in MesoAmerica, I think you threw that in there to make it seem absurd.

Modern genetics has vindicated the idea of ancient Europeans having contact, which is what the Nazis believed, not that they founded.
The furthest they went was contributing to.
No serious German anthropologist ever went further than that.
>BUT DA SS
ok the SS doesnt determine state policy and Nazi Germany isnt some SS ordenstaat, its National Socialist Germany where entire schools of anthropology exist independent of Himmler's Norse mythologyposting.

You dont know this because your only contact with National Socialist ideas is in your polish/lefty discord.
>round heads were subhuman
a polish black legend that was never ever believed by Grant, whom Hitler swore by.
>world ice theory
believed by a vanishingly small number of German academics

Is it possible for you to be honest let alone charitable to the Germans or are you one of those "round head" inferiors with a grudge?

Also, none of this is even relevant because I said legitimate ideas were thrown out with illegitimate ones.

For example, the Germans championed the idea of Indo-Europeans and the Aryan invasion, something that was forbidden in Academia until it was proven by modern science.
it was a good idea and it was thrown out simply because its was the Germans who had believed it (among others).

>>18514151
>You're just denying reality
Oh my genes(us)!
>>18514186
>unfalsifiable correlation and demonstrable causation
Most research into genetics leans on the former, retard. "Demonstrable causation" is a tautology when you factor in the central axiom that "genes" alone are primarily responsible for dictating everything about an organism's morphology, and by consequence behavior too.
Twin studies are based on such overly reductive methodologies--at best, they provide suitable evidence of heritability, rather than ironclad evidence that the horosco- I mean your genes dictate your entire life's trajectory like most /pol/tards love to assume.

Either way, I didn't reject genetics in my post. I said you despise astrology because you're a hypocrite. The only real major point of contention you and the other group have between each other is one asserts the bottom-up approach is fundamentally correct, whereas the other relies entirely on top-down assumptions (which makes it infinitely less pragmatic to study).

Seethe and cope.

>>18511995
Hungarians are a terrible example of this since they're virtually genetically identical to their neighbours in Europe and look absolutely nothing like Uralic people

>>18511912
It's such a shame Italian fascism didn't win out ideologically. This race autism and its legacy has been a total disaster for nationalist movements everywhere.

>>18514503
All successful nationalist endeavours historically were centered around ethnolinguistic binding factors, the most ethnically blind were religions, but even those often splintered to denominations which themselves were proxies for ethnolinguistic clades.

>>18512765
Those arguments are thrown out because racist scum like you always paint the white race in a purely positive light while finding "problems" in all other races. When whites historically have been the most violent, most disgusting, worthless race of all

>>18514577
trvke

>>18514577
you're upset, why