Why not just let the south succeed? Its not like the rebels were trying to take over northern states. Was it really worth having 750k people die for.
>dude just give up half your territory and your most valuable farmland to a gang of inbred retards so they can waste it on the least efficient method of agriculture ever invented lmao
>>18512134>Why not just let the south succeed?Then the colonial era of the revolutionary war against Britain and acquired territories made prior to succession would have been done in vain. Lincoln was a true hero and patriot despite what the ass blasted nigger lovers and nigger importers of the South claimed that he was a tyrant.
>>18512134>just let your country fall apart into multiple waring states bro!
>>18512134Before the 1869 Supreme Court ruling, states had every right to secede. The Constitution contains no explicit clause prohibiting secession.
>>18512134A simple, honest, straight to the point reason the South could not leave the Union."The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods. What is our shipping without it? Literally nothing. . . It is very clear that the South gains by this process, and we lose, No, we MUST NOT LET the South go.”~ Union Democrat, Manchester, NH, Feb. 19, 1861
>>18512167you lose 360k of your own people and inherent 6 million ex-slaves which will obviously cause problems for the next 100 years. Then you have to spend a bunch for green to rebuild the south.This sound like a shit trade.
>>18512134It should be pointed out that many Northern citizens opposed the war and believed the South should be allowed to leave in peace. Dozens of Northern newspapers expressed the view that the Southern states had the right to peacefully leave the Union and that it would be wrong to use force to compel them to stay. Even President James Buchanan told Congress in an official message shortly before Lincoln assumed office that the federal government had no right to use force against the seceded states.On December 17, 1860, Horace Greeley, a Republican writing in his own paper, The New York Tribune, on Dec. 17, 1860, supported peaceful secession. He wrote:“If the Declaration of Independence justified the secession of 3,000,000 colonists in 1776, I do not see why the Constitution ratified by the same men should not justify the secession of 5,000,000 of the Southerners from the Federal Union in 1861...and when a section of our Union resolves to go out, we shall resist any coercive acts to keep it in. We hope never to live in a republic where one section is pinned to the other section by bayonets.”
>>18512189If the States could not leave the USA legally, why did Lincoln need to provoke the incident at Ft. Sumter to gain the support needed to invade the South? If secession was illegal, no such action was necessary.
>>18512134Several reasons.Firstly letting any part of the country secede would set the precedent that whenever a region got annoying with the federal government that they could just leave. It would be putting the US on a inevitable track to Balkanization.Then there's the economic value of the south. Not just from taxes and agriculture, but they controlled the Mississippi river valley which was immeasurably important for the economy of the whole mid-west.
>>18512134When the news came that Lincoln was elected, the South Carolina Legislature, being in session, called a State Convention. When the Convention met, it withdrew from the Union. In its declaration it said: “Those states have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain have been incited by emisaries, books, and pictures to servile insurrection. For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common government.” So, South Carolina met the threat of massacre and took final action against the Chicago platform, which flaunted the decision of the Supreme Court. Had Lincoln professed obedience to the Court, he would have been accepted as President and South Carolina, trusting in the Court for protection against massacre, would not have seceded.~ Samuel A’Court Ashe
>>18512134To make a long story short. Lincoln is saying that he violated the Constitution for the “greater good.”“I did understand however, that my oath to preserve the constitution to the best of my ability, imposed upon me the duty of preserving, by every indispensable means, that government-that nation-of which that constitution was the organic law. Was it possible to lose the nation, and yet preserve the constitution? By general law life and limb must be protected; yet often a limb must be amputated to save a life; but a life is never wisely given to save a limb. I felt that measures, otherwise unconstitutional, might become lawful, by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the constitution, through the preservation of the nation. Right or wrong, I assumed this ground.”~ Abraham Lincoln to Albert G. Hodges, April 4, 1864, Collected Works, vol. 7, p. 281.
>>18512405Problem of dirty hands or state of exception
>>18512134A divided america could not stand against the European powers who sought to subjugate them.
>>18512447It was already divided. Canada is rightful American clay, or scraped-over precambrian shield depending where you are
>>18512457Canada is not america, Canada is India 2.0
>>18512447You guys do remember that time the US won independence from a European power right
>>18512134How many of you know the United States Army sent almost 500,000 foreign mercenaries (many were failed communist revolutionaries) to murder the descendants of Washington and Jefferson during the Civil War?Most Americans don’t realize the Union Army was at least 25% foreigners fresh off the boat - boatloads of communists exiled after their failed revolutions in Europe; the Marxist German 48ers were prominent among these. And another 18% of the Union Army were the sons of immigrants. So, almost half of the army that crushed the descendants of Washington, Jefferson, and many thousands of descendants of other Southern Founding Fathers and Revolutionary War Patriots were newly arrived foreigners or the sons of foreigners, including thousands of communists..
>>18512134Radical Republicans imported violent Haitians and seeded them in the South during Reconstruction.
>>18512381OK let me have half of your home
>>18512489Das Kapital wasn't finished until years after the American Civil War ended though.
