>2026>people still believe the german innocence mythREMINDER:Germany was principally responsible for the start of WWIGermany was principally responsible for the inhumane actions during WWIThe German kaiser was principally responsible for WWI, but the German PEOPLE held secondary responsibilityThe Treaty of Versailles was completely and totally justified and no element was unjust.
The unjust element was that it didn't proscribe the march of all of the German people into the mediterranean sea
>>18512790this is somewhat incorrect because they were afraid to alienate AH and didn't think russia was going to escalate and they had to defend themselves against russia in the end.there's no excuse for their actions with regards to belgium however.
OP here, I just wanted to come out that I identify as a woman!
>>18512790>the German PEOPLE held secondary responsibilityThat's pretty extreme for WWI. Are you Polish or something?
>>18512790True. Germans in WW1:>randomly massacred civilians in Belgium by firing squad >shelled civilian areas in France>looted from French civilians >bombed civilians in England with zeppelins >first to use poison gas
>>18512824Also>deliberately targeted civilian ships with u-boats
>>18512790Poland will always save Europe from savage germutts
>>18512790Prussiapes should have been genocided after ww1 so they wouldn't chimp out again.They ended up getting genocided anyway by based Poles
>>18512823Poland won both world wars while germutty lost twice. Keep seething
>>18512790germutty should have been partitioned between French and Polish gods
>>18512847>>18512851>>18512853>>18512857This board has made me hate Poles.
>>18512790How is Germany responsible?They didnt set anything into motion nor did they share the sole burden of de-escalation.It was Britain that shipped men and supplies to France, made war plans against Germany with France, gave guarantees to France all illegally and against the wishes of the British people, the Liberal Cabinet, and even Lloyd George himself.It was Churchill and Gray who were behind the war, they were the ones who gave France the confidence to stand with Russia and France alongside Russia gave Russia the confidence to stand with Serbia.Lloyd George himself said Britain never intended war but stumbled into it.Gray had sent missives to Germany instructing them to answer to his personal office, and when the Germans gave in to every British demand to avoid war, Gray let the phone ring for hours until after the Liberal Cabinet had been forced into war, hearing from Gray and Churchill war was upon them and a declaration was only a formality, Churchill and Gray Kept Lloyd from leading a Walkout and dissolution of the liberal cabinet, which had elected as a first choice to walk-out in July and even August 4 itself, but were held back by Lloyd George who was waiting for Gray to relay a message of peace from Germany, Gray never did.EVERYONE in Britain said the war was the fault of British planning.An Austro-Serbian regional war, or a German-Russian war, these were small scale affairs which Britain said it did not want to be involved in, they were roped in anyway.Britain and France were entangled due to largely subterfuge and political manipulation.>but da germsget off my board.
>>18512790Germany invaded neutral Belgium and killed 100,000 BelgiansThe Entente invaded neutral Iran and killed 2,000,000 IraniansPeople do evil things in war. Big deal. Grow up
When you ignore the Austro-Serb conflict and simply look at the timeline of events between the major powers, it's actually a very simple conflict.>Russia mobilizes (30 July 1914)>Germany declares war on Russia (1 August 1914)>France mobilizes (2 August 1914)>Germany declares war on France (3 August 1914)One could argue the very existence of a Russo-French alliance made WW1 inevitable since Germany could never accept both nations mobilizing against it at the same time. It was either attack or be crushed
>>18512790The German people rose up and ended WW1 though, not as soon as the Russians but I think they deserve some credit for that parttoo bad the Freikorps forced them back into their place afterwards
>>18512892>made war plans against Germany with Franceeverybody did this. you are either 100% historically illiterate or just a 100% lying propagandist. either way there is no point in reading the rest of your post.>>18512824>randomly massacred civilians in Belgium by firing squadthey only did this a few times right at the start.>>18513101stupid>>18513063>it's a browncels pretend famines (largely caused by brown primitiveness and incompetence) is comparable to active massacres episode
>>18512790The Treaty of Versailles didn't hold Germany responsible for starting the war. (because it wasn't).The reparations and restrictions were for Germonkeys behaving like savage niggers during the conduct of war. They were destroying the industrial equipment in foreign countries during their withdrawal (see Operation Alberich) etc.
>>18513101Identically, you could say the Austro-german alliance made ww1 inevitable considering France could never accept both nations allying, or Germany even existing in the first place considering that from the Rhine to Paris you have nothing but plains and forests. It was either attack or be crushed, as they indeed were crushed in the Franco-prussian war with disastrous consequences.This is an unfruitful discussion, because we are talking about nation-wide vendettas that had probably started when Charlemagne slew the first fucking saxon. It's useless. WW1 happened, all great-powers, barred the US and Japan probably, had their fair share of blame, but only two lost (two and a half if you count the Ottomans). Still, Germany was by far the most belligerent of all great-powers, considering they were a young nation on the center of the continent, they had to push their own militarism father than any had. You could say the militarism was an adaptation to their position; if it was it was a shit one because it directly caused millions of germans and other peoples to be massacred in two world wars. But their crimes and violence doesn't wipe the french's, british's, russian's... that directly fanned the fires of this Hun and contributed themselves to the deathtoll. WW1 was predetermined since the second wave of industrialization and dawn of nationhood in the 18th. These events brought material power (ever more powerful guns) to a belligerent popular nationalism that defined itself against those it excluded, instead of the Ancien Régime and their courtly and diplomatic approach to foreign policy that was possible by the mutual recognition of both parties as proper aristocrats, gentleman that could come to an agreement fruitfully for the betterment of both parties. Just compare Bismarck's policy of expansionism for "defense" of the nation against the ideas of Metternich of perfect balance between all nations and no one infringing against each other's territory.
>>18512824>randomly massacrednope. this is another black legend waiting to be disproven like the Lusitania.>civilian areasevery area of France is a civilian area.>lootedboth sides requisitioned from the civilian population.>bombed londonlondon was the largest CnC and arms city in England, a legitimate military target.>gasboth sides used gas.>>18512826they never did this, they targeted ships transporting arms.
>>18512824The allies themselves broke the treaty of Versailles when they abandoned Memel to Lithuania.
>>18513371>everybody did thisnope nope nope.These were not contingencies, they were war plans which were actively carried out prior to the war which the liberal government was against and which the British themselves said was illegal and itself tantamount to a declaration of neutrality.NEVER has any other country moved soldiers into another country, against the wishes of their own people, their own sitting government, solely on the orders of a corrupt officer corps.Also the fact Britain mobilized its expeditionary forces against Germany as early as 1908 more or less proves Britain was pushing everyone else toward war.>I dont have to read the rest of your postilliterate, I have a degree in Euro history and you have read nothing on this topic, especially not niche primary sources from the French government about the movement of officers and men from Britain to France years prior to the war in an action the British parliament called illegal, commanded to cease, which the military carried out anyway against direct orders.The rank corruption of England was immense, and Balfour himself said War with Germany was a necessary goal among the British officer class who felt their standard of living would be diminished if Britain sank behind Germany in a trade deficit, leaving the British army, not the parliament, with no other choice than to force a war with Germany through illegal means.You know nothing.
Childhood is supporting neutrality to Germany Teenager years is supporting GermanyAdulthood is realizing ww2 was a righteous crusade against the German menace
>>18513551>declaration of neutrality.declaration of war against neutrality*
>>18513552>adult is supporting HIV ridden slavsuh no lol
>>18512790>2026>there are people who still believe the Zimmerman telegraph was a forgery even though Zimmerman himself admitted to sending it because he genuinely thought that owning up to it would make the Americans less likely to take offence at it.
>>18513557no one outside Africa had HIV in the WW2 era?
>>18513470An Austro-German alliance doesn't encircle France? A German-Spanish alliance against France would be the equivalent of a Russo-French alliance against Germany
>>18513470>or Germany even existing in the first place That just proves the point that France wanted to take out Germany by any means necessary, since the very existence of a German state is a threat to France's prestige on the continent. I agree this is fundamentally the root cause of the first world war.
>>18513551that's incorrect/immaterial and doesn't prove that at all. you are an idiot.
The German declarations of war on Russia and France were responses to external stimuli (Russian and French mobilization against them). For Germany to have engineered the war deliberately, they would have had to be secretly controlling the Russian and French governments
>>18513371The Russians seized Iranian food supplies to engineer a famine. Russian troops also looted and raped indiscriminately, despite attacking a neutral country.Since you bring up famine, do you know how 80,000 of the Belgians died? It was because the Royal Navy's food blockade caused starvation not just in Belgium but in every European country.
>>18513371Invading neutral countries and deliberately engineering famines in them is a warcrime, yes. 2 million Iranian deaths is an excess death toll far higher than what occurred in Belgium.Historians estimate that around 1-2% of Belgians died while around 15-25% of Iranians died.>but it's BASED when my side does it! The other side are subhuman so I have a right to kill them!Isn't that the 'evil' mindset you accuse the Germans of?
>>18513470>France could never accept both nations allyingWhy?>or Germany even existing in the first placeThat was the French's problem, no other nation saw the existence of a united Germany in on itself as an existential threat.>Franco-prussianCaused by and lost due to Napoleon III's diplomatic incompetence. He thought that France alone could take on a Germany led by Prussia and his nation suffered as a result.
>>18513552>Please hate your fellow European Goyim saarNo Sunjay, Germans having done great power things when their country was a great power won't make me like Jews or Indians.
>>18513656>>18513663a 1910s iranian is worth about a 1/1000th of a 1910s belgian lets be real here.
>>18514060Ok Nazi
>>18514060So racial profiling to justify wars of aggression, manufactured famines, and mass rape and pillaging is le bad when Germany does it but le good when Russia and England do it?
