Is there a single solid argument against geographic determinism? I always hear anons claiming it's le wrong and disproven but they never present any good argument or elaborate much beyond>IT'S JUST DISPROVEN OK!?
>>18513732In theory all human cultures in the same climates should theoretically be identical, so a desert culture from the Gobi desert would be very similar to a desert culture from the Sahara but that's not the case, even when they have the same technology. Also, I heard someone argue that geographic determinism can easily be turned into a just-so story to justify anything. You can easily come up with a geo-deterministic argument as to why the Russian and Soviet empires fell, as well as a geo-deterministic argument for why those empires rose using the same geography.
It follows the magic dirt level of thinking that declares that Abdul hamud would totally stop beheading raping and killing if he wasnt born on the evil poor dirt instead of the good rich dirt.
>>18513743>so a desert culture from the Gobi desert would be very similar to a desert culture from the Sahara but that's not the case, even when they have the same technologyIn that particular example both of them have vastly different geographical attributes to each other, in fact the cultural differences and peculiarities come from mostly the fact 2 places around the globe dont have the "exact same" geographical conditions so expecting 2 cultures to be the exact same is bogus>Also, I heard someone argue that geographic determinism can easily be turned into a just-so story to justify anything. You can easily come up with a geo-deterministic argument as to why the Russian and Soviet empires fell, as well as a geo-deterministic argument for why those empires rose using the same geography.This is a fairly solid point though>>18513763What's so magical about saying that fighting and wars over resources would be more common in places with scarce resources as opposed to those with abundant resources? It's the most basic logical conclusion to take
>>18513763This is true tho you disgustingly stupid racist. Minorities born in europe are completely european in culture, they practically abandon every bit of their roots and become western liberals instantly.
>>18513849How many SSRIs do you have to be on to be this disconnected from reality? It sounds nice. Like a little vacation.
>>18513849True! And a man becomes a woman the instant he cuts his balls off and you are the proof of that.
>>18513881>>18513891I thought that post was somewhat obviously satire and/or bait...
>>18513732It's entirely disproven my modern immigration. The vast majority of, say, Turks in Germany still identify as Turkish and live in Turkish communities. According to geographic determinists, second and third gens should be culturally indistinguishable from the average ethnic German, but they aren't. The same pattern applies to pretty much every immigrant group in the West, be it Hispanics in the US, Indians in the UK and Canada, and Africans in France.
>>18513978When you've seen these exact ideas expressed with sincerity, does satire achieve anything in repeating them?
>>18514032Geographic determinism is about the anthropological root of cultures (i.e why did the chinese develop differently than europeans) and not about their contemporary reflections. Families keep traditions from their homeland and small communities built around those traditions and habits still keep them, there's a number of explanations for that
>>18514032That doesn't explain how Cumans assimilated completely and became full Hungarians and Romanians, or how the descendants of the Xianbei and Baiyue forgot they're anything but Chinese, or how out of the dozens of different ethnicities that existed in Turkey, only the Kurds remember they aren't Turks. Assimilation was always a thing and will still be a thing.
>>18513732How do you even falsify geographic determinism? We can't do an experiment where we put two different groups through perfectly identical geographic circumstances and see if they do anything differently from each other.
>>18513732You can certainly argue against geographys impact in certain scenarios.
>>18514179>That doesn't explain how Cumans assimilated completely and became full Hungarians and RomaniansIf that were true, it could be seen genetically
>>18513732you can modify geography
>>18513743isn't the logical conclusion that it's true to an extent, but it doesn't explain everything?culture and genetics (e.g. differing testosterone levels between races) absolutely matter, but so does geographic luck. even in the modern world you can chalk things up to geo-determinism. (e.g. the russian winter playing a significant role in hitler and napoleon's failed invasions)
