Pakistanis and Moroccans will do hippy crack but still attend the masjid for Friday prayers. They will buy sports cars while still observing Eid. Paki and Moroccan women plaster their faces in makeup and dance and sing while still wearing their hijabs. They have children out of wedlock but still observing every minute of Ramadan and get all their prayers in.Pakistan and Morocco have the perfect mix of western "freedoms" in a devout Islamic populace.The Iranians always tell us that Islam can't co-exist with these "freedoms" and it's one or the other. For the Iranians, it's either a complete Shi'ite theocracy or zero Islam at all. There's no in between.Considering that you keep telling us these Iranians are so high IQ it is mightily strange that they cannot seem to strike up a balance between modernism, secularism and Islam which Morocco and Pakistan have both done successfully.There are no apostates from Pakistan or Morocco but every hairy Islamophobe ranting away in the West is an Iranian.
>>18515033Because islamists managed to succesfully hijack all the anti-monarchy opposition in iran.
>>18515033Not Shiites.
>>18515033They didn't have retarded monarch who pushed pretty much everyone under the banner of Shia revolutionaries.
>>18515033>Pakistan>secularYour average Pakistani would rather live under ISIS than share a neighborhood with a Hindu. Secularism is not in their vocabulary
>>18515889Pakis have a huge cinema industry and they are joined in with Bollywood where women loosely wear hijab or take it off for movies, put it back on, etc. Pakis also have lavish weddings and birthday celebrations with music and many even dabble in alcohol.Yet at the same time they rigidly oppose Israel and ensure that they pray and fast and remain steadfast on Islam.As for the Iranians, they claim that this sort of lifestyle cannot go hand in hand with Islam and that they must either choose "the Islamic Republic" or a secular freedom Americanized Western life. And yet Pakistan, India, Ghana, Lebanon, Morocco, Malaysia, Egypt, Bosnia, Albania, UAE, Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries completely refute them.
Birmingham paki thread
Most Iranians ive met are like that too, in fact they were more secular and partying than moroccans or Pakis. Biggest difference is that Moroccans and Pakis have a lot more western migration going on compared to Iranians.
>>18515033Morocco and Pakistan send their fundamentalist wackos to Europe
>>18515033>MoroccansMorroco is a vassal state, it adopts whatever it's colonial master imposes.> PakistanBarely a country, it is basicly an IMF owned colony, it lacks the centralized leadership needed to impose anything.Anyhow Pakistan is probably more religious than Iran at this point, it's leadership is not the same though.
>>18515033>. Paki and Moroccan women plaster their faces in makeup and dance and sing while still wearing their hijabs.No meaningful amount of them do that.> The Iranians always tell us that Islam can't co-exist with these "freedoms" and it's one or the otherThey are correct.
>>18516265Again, the majority of pakis are not even remotely secular.
>>18516276Nah, it's a jew anti Iranian thread.
>>18516471Secularism is death, most people outside of the West have no interest in it.The West is dying because of it.
>>18516485m8 the east is more secular than the west and basically always has been
>>18516474kek
>>18516485China is secular and they’re prosperous
>>18516483No, the constant anti-iran threads you see on this board are all made by a salafi paki living in tbe UK,
>>18516480>They are correct.Absolute bullshit. Look at Bosnia and Herzegovina. Literally a capitalist Western country with a majority Muslim population. It can be done.
>>18515033>>18516473Stop spamming multiple threads on the same topic. Get help for your Iran-autism.
>>18516483Iranians out again in London attacking Palestine protestors and shouting and cheering for IsraelI ask you, what other MENA community does this happen with? None. Yet you tell us these vile Persians are "fighting for the Ummah". Are you having a laugh mate? Are you feeling ok? Iran has the highest amount of Jews in the Middle East outside of Israel btw. These Jews are not in Pakistan, Algeria, Jordan, UAE or Morocco. They are in Iran.
>>18518681>what other MENA community does this happen with?Many Judeochristian Arabs who larp as extinct bronze age peoples such as phoenicians and assyriansAtheist ethnonationalist berberistsCommunist KurdsSome Druzes ArmeniansEtc..
>>18518686>Atheist ethnonationalist berberistsbased>Communist Kurdsbased>Some Druzesbased>Armeniansbased>Etc.based
>>18518686Also keep in mind there is no such thing as a zoroaster they're literally atheist ethnonationalists larping for muh aesthetics and shiet, is literally all idpol to these scum.They can't even pronounce Ahura Mazda correctly, their entire ideology revolves on seething about Muslims and Arabs and slurping Jewish and American semen
>>18518690How's the weather at LA, Reza?
>>18518695Not everyone is a cuck like Pakis.
>>18518686>Judeochristian Arabs who larp as extinct bronze age peoples such as phoenicians and assyriansThat's like 2 people and they aren't in the West.>Atheist ethnonationalist berberistsThere's barely any such thing. Every Algerian, Moroccan including diaspora describes himself as an Arab full stop. Shamsi in speakers corner, for example. He does not say "I am Berber" he says "I am Arab"Here is the type of person you are referring tohttps://x.com/Detrusor1/status/2062892229643927635Notice all the replies from fellow Algerians blasting him and affirming that Algerians are proud Arabs. You'll never see an Iranian doing that. In fact, you'll see them doing the opposite every single day on X, 4chan etc>Communist KurdsNever seen a Communist Kurd ripping hijabs off women's heads in the West but there's a viral video of an Iranian girl doing it.>Some DruzesNobody regards the Druze as Muslim or associates them with Islam and they don't claim to be Muslim either. There's no Druze diaspora in the West either.>ArmeniansThose aren't MENA people and they aren't associated in any way with Islam. But these Iranians are constantly referred to as "saviors of the Ummah". So why are the saviours of the Ummah joining pro-Israel protests and far right white supremacist protests against Muslims? I don't see any Turks, Tunisians, Pakis or Kurds there. Only Iranians.
>>18517906Bosnia was majority Christian until the Yugoslav Wars. And even today the Muslim:Chrisrian ratio there is pretty much 1 to 1. And Bosnian Muslims are pretty much the Islamic equivalent of "lapsed" or "cultural" Christians in the West.
>>18515033Can you think of any historical event that would make Iranians unusually suspicious of any type of Western influence? Maybe something in 1953?
>>18515033You are severally mentally deficient. I can't in good faith call you retarded because you most likely are the real deal and I'd just be engaging in one-sided bullying. and there's no fun in that.
>>18515033You do realize Pakistan is a failed state in all aspects, and Morocco is dysfunctional with an even lower GDP per capita to Iran? Countries like Oman or Malaysia are better examples, but I’m guessing you are some foolish diaspora.
>>18518773>Those aren't MENA people and they aren't associated in any way with Islam. But these Iranians are constantly referred to as "saviors of the Ummah". So why are the saviours of the Ummah joining pro-Israel protests and far right white supremacist protests against Muslims? I don't see any Turks, Tunisians, Pakis or Kurds there. Only Iranians.Cause they don't want to stay cucked by Islam for eternity. North Africans, Levantines, Somalis and Pakis have been completely Islamized, they have no identity beside some tribal or clan system.Iran however, still has a distinct identity. The Safavids became Shia to keep Iran distinct and not just another "conquered subjects" of the Arabs. Same goes for the Central Asian Muslims.
>>18519955So then why do people claim Iran is fighting for Muslims and fighting for Islam? You literally just openly admitted that they are against Islam and Arabs, so why do the likes of Haqiqatjou and other white racists keep saying that "Iran are the true Muslims, they are fighting for Islam" "Iran is standing for the Ummah". How can people who do everything they can to differentiate themselves from Arabs and Muslims be fighting for Arabs and Muslims? It makes not the slightest bit of sense. Ireland has done a lot for Palestine. Should we claim the Irish are "true Muslims" now? this is nonsensical.
>>18518681>Iranians out again in London attacking Palestine protestors and shouting and cheering for IsraelThese are the anti-IRGC diaspora, they are obviously not representative of the Iranians fighting Israel.
>>18520841We have Iranian Shias dealing the most damage to Israel and Ireland doing the most charity for Palestine, meanwhile all Sunnis can do is talk shit from twitter accounts and 4chan posts and seethe as their business and military dealings with Israel and the US net them nothing but SHAHEDs.
>>18515889^This.
>>18516481That's not what secularism means.
>>18519735"overthrow of Mossadegh" is largely a leftist meme that has zero relation to what Iranians on the ground in Iran actually think or want. They think of Mossadegh as often as Americans think of Calvin Coolidge or Warren Harding today. Which is to say not at all.The reason it's a leftist meme is that this was the closest the leftists/Marxists (under the banner of the Tudeh party) ever got to gaining control of the country. The were lurking right over Mossadegh's shoulder and hoping Mossadegh would remove the biggest obstacle to communism in Iran (the monarchy) and then they could either keep Mossadegh as a puppet of the USSR or make quick work of him in a leftist style revolution once the Shah was out of the picture.So of course when those dreams were thankfully dashed the Tudeh party latched on to this event and created this myth of Mossadegh as a democratic champion (he was anything but) in order to smear and tarnish the monarchy for the next couple of decades until its fall in 1979.After the revolution the regime popularized this narrative of western meddling and the tale of Mossadegh without mentioning that they themselves (the clerics) at the time were on the Shah's side along with the west against the Tudeh communists.It's such an absurd meme for so many reasons but it has been repeated to death to the point where it endures (like the stab in the back myth popularized by the Nazis). Iranians are beyond fed up with these stupid, regurgitated narratives that have nothing to do with the Islamic Republic being used as an excuse to perpetuate the Islamic Republic.(cont)
>>18519735>>18523778Mossadegh himself was a treacherous rabble-rouser who deserves no legacy other than that of a would be dictator who deliberately destabilized the country for his own gain. He was in bed with communists whose objectives and marching orders from Moscow were not concerned with "nationalizing oil" or Iran's national interests by any means. Eisenhower's assessment of Mossadegh was that he was a corrupt conman and aspiring dictator and eventually he had seen enough. As had the Iranian military and frankly most Iranians by the time Mossadegh was dragged out by the ear.He pardoned the man who assassinated the previous prime minister and celebrated him. This is not the conduct of a champion of democracy. This is the conduct of Saddam Hussein.So too was his blatantly fraudulent referendum which passed with 99.94% in favor of dissolving the government. This was so outrageous members of his own party resigned in protest.
