>>18516645
Dinosaurs are infinitely more based than human beings yet our species has the absolute gall to pretend we're "made in God's image" (despite the fact we've only existed for a tiny blip of Earth's history).

>>18516645
You went and got your education from Satan and then come here asking where does God fit in? How will God fit in? That thing you posted is the picture of a fairly tale.

>>18516661
Your entire worldview is based on a semitic fairytale about talking snakes and a zombie rabbi, shut up

>>18516645
Having fun and playing with dinosaurs

>>18516664
Yours was brought to you by Coca Cola.

I'm not a christkek but Dinosaurs are definitely not real. If you've ever seen a dinosaur skeleton in a museum it's a 'recreation' printed in china.

>>18516691
>>18516692
Holy shit Christians are retarded

The dinosaurs obeyed the law of Christ perfectly, without revelation and when it was hidden.
They had no knowledge of sin and yet none did sin, for none was brought under the law of sin.
I do have confidence that many in the angelic host are dinosouls that have gained the spiritual body.

>>18516645
Lore

>>18516776
I bet that sounded epic in your head

If evolution is true how did our vital organs form? You need ALL of them in order to survive. A monkey randomly typing on a keyboard would only produce garbage.

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>>18516645
Bro most of this is debunked, macro evolution was always just a theory. The sediment layers were caused by the flood, there's literally trees standing straight up fossilized which should be impossible if each fossil layer happened gradually over a long period of time.

Some niggas really would prefer to be a monkey than have moral accountability imposed onto them by their creator. It ain't worth going to hell over butt sex guys, wake the fuck up.

>>18517590
>cherrypicked unsubstanciated claim
if a single missmatch was sufficient to invalidate a narrative, what to make of the bible?

>>18517599
What about the billions of missing in-between fossils?
What about the samples of dinosaur tissues that should be impossible given that the carbon half life is only like 5k yrs?
What about the fact that DNA is a digital programming language?
What about the complexity of eyes?
Irreducible complexity of life?
Darweiner's theory is called a theory because it is exactly that, a theory. Bro got epigenetics right but we've never seen one kind of animal become another or create novel traits despite the fact that we breed literally billions of animals each year, chicken, cows, pigs, dogs, etc. Where are the novel mutations? It's almost like that shit was completely made up to fill in the gaps of his theory.

>>18517581
>OUR vital organs
They didn't always exist. Instead of thinking in terms of "human minus XYZ", think "What series of specializations, duplications, and mutations led to humans?". You're putting the cart before the horse

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>>18516645
Serious answer:
Preparing the Earth for the arrival of humans

In case you haven't noticed: We were born at the exact time wherein
>sun is at its most stable stage; stable enough for satelites
>tectonic activity have mostly settled down
>oxygen levels are in a good state
>storms have become much less severe
>toxic/radioactive metals on the surface have mostly decayed
>wide availability of wood, copper, and of course, fossil fuels
>decomposers to clean up the mess

The dinosaurs were not made for no reason.
They were God's construction workers that paved the road for the arrival of humans and, in turn, his arrival.

God's timing is always perfect

>>18516645
How do atheists respond to kalam cosmological argument, the teleological/fine tuning argument and transcendental argument

>>18516652
Dinosaurs never built anything though

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>>18517704
>In case you haven't noticed: We were born at the exact time wherein
>sun is at its most stable stage; stable enough for satelites
>tectonic activity have mostly settled down
>oxygen levels are in a good state
>storms have become much less severe
>toxic/radioactive metals on the surface have mostly decayed
>wide availability of wood, copper, and of course, fossil fuels
>decomposers to clean up the mess

That's perfectly explains our appearance out of purely natural causes not requiring a Jewish wizard in the sky tinkering about

>>18516661
What? No, animals aren't fairy tales

>>18518443
Your great×10,000 grandfather was not a fish.

>>18518448
Evolution is a proved fact of reality. Yes, your great great x10,000,000,000 grandfather was indeed a fish.

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>>18517581
>If evolution is true how did our vital organs form?
The universe has existed for 15 billion years.
There was plenty of time for everything that exists today to form out of pure chance and trial and error.
Viruses prove that there are intermediate stages between life and non-life, thus eliminating the need for an external God that creates life out of nowhere.
You trying to see intelligent design in what exists today is simply an intellectual form of paraeidolia

>>18518433
>it all just happened randomly, for no reason at all

>>18518458
>pure chance and trial and error
That doesn't follow. Even if you had 10 times the age of the universe there is nothing necessitating the formation of life. Most of the universe is empty so clearly the odds even with a great deal of time are extremely low.
>creates life out of nowhere
This is not a mainstream theist position, in fact even man is said to be made from the earth.

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>>18518459
>It all happened in a way that LOOKED random with no reason at all, but that was just God's trick! You see , no matter how much you discover about the natural world God is always hiding behind the next experiment. It doesn't matter that we used to say that animals were created in their modern form 6000 years ago. Now, because science has shown that's not true, we get to say that God actually made trilobites and dinosaurs to TRICK us into thinking that he's not real!! Isn't God amazing?

>>18518458
>trial and error.
Doesn't "trial and error" presuppose a plan?

>>18518454
First, no it's not proven at all. And second, a talking snake is way less ridiculous than a fish who randomly grew legs and lungs and walked out the sea and his children are now building cities and empires and iphones and speaking languages and doing mathematics ages later.

>>18518491
>because science has shown that's
Truly the white man is the white man's God in the XXI Century.

>>18517590
>macro evolution was always just a theory
>implying micro evolution = ok
>meanwhile macro evolution = series of micro evolutions over a long period of time
??

>>18518500
>First, no it's not proven at all.
Yes it is. It's directly observed.
> a talking snake is way less ridiculous than a fish who randomly grew legs and lungs and walked out the sea and his children are now building cities and empires and iphones and speaking languages and doing mathematics ages later.
No, mutations accumulating more and more changes over generations is completely coherent. The bible has been disproved.

>>18518533
Evolution has never been proven. There has never been observed one species becoming another species. There's no sign humans have existed for millions of years or hundreds of thousands of years. There's barely any trace of us anywhere in the world outside if what humans have built in the past 6'000 years.

No, it's pretty ridiculous to even consider that a lion, a lizard, a human and condor all descend from this one fish that randomly grew legs and walked out the sea.

Its pretty ridiculous to believe that one random cell that came out of nowhere, split into many pieces and over billions of years one of those pieces became human beings and another piece over the same time period became onions.

How is the belief that humans, mosquitoes and onions evolved from the same being, sane in any way?

>>18518459
Any chaotic system will eventually reach stability. Not random

>>18518492
The plan is to survive and do it as smoothly as possible, the organism itself arranges the plan, it's not a top-down strategy

>>18518471
>Even if you had 10 times the age of the universe there is nothing necessitating the formation of life
A "necessity" simply exists in reference to someone who has a need.
It wasn't "necessary" for life to be born, but it was born.
> Most of the universe is empty so clearly the odds even with a great deal of time are extremely low.
And yet we're here today, so it happened. Cheers
>This is not a mainstream theist position, in fact even man is said to be made from the earth.
Either that earth is a more primitive lifeform still created by God or it's an inanimate object turned into a living being. In either case, the theist idea is that

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>>18518562
>hurr durr we have nothing in common with fish

>>18516645
A few years ago, the science was saying that dinosaurs were reptiles. Now they're saying they were just birds. This research is not trustworthy.

>>18518698
AI slop.

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>>18518707
>duhhhh uhhh duhhhh daeeeuhhhh

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Look same in picture. Therefore same.

>>18518713
Hmmm. The colors are all different, thougbait. Are we sure we want to invite God of the Gaps to the party? Color them all the same so the Christcucks have nothing to grasp for.

>>18518429
>nooooo the dinosaurs never built a mcdonalds or a strip mall, they heckin suck!!

>>18516645
Enjoying Dino-Kino.
>B-BUT DA BOOK
He was enjoying Dino-Kino.
Atheists are beyond uncharitable.
>>18516661
Based. Satanic fairytales BTFO.

>>18517581
Evolution is fake.
I grow tired of biology becoming a battleground for American theological disputes.
Regardless of theology. Evolution is very shitty science and biology hasn’t progressed since Goethe. The English are terrible at science.

>>18516645
This sort of thing is a false dichotomy. It’s based on the belief that either God created the universe exactly as it is 6,000 years ago (a strawman that was never dogma), or there is no God and no supernatural.

God must exist. When you study what God actually is, what his nature is, you realise that for God not to exist but further existence to come about on its own is illogical. The Catholic and Orthodox churches have no stance on dinosaurs or the age of the Earth because it’s irrelevant to the point of the Christian faith. Before man was created, the earth was filled with other life forms. So what? The days of creation are well understood to not be a literal 24 hour duration. There is no conflict with God creating the universe and earth over billions of years, allowing life to arise and specialise by secondary mechanisms he made, and then eventually, create man, and incarnate as Christ to bring salvation to men.

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>>18519012
>Muh fairy tale must be true because.... It just MUST, ok?!? Don't ask me how I know. I just FUCKING know, OK??

>>18518458
I like when atheists mention the big bang when it was a catholic priest that came up with the idea and scientists at the time rejected the idea because they considered it to be religious nonsense since it proposes the idea that the universe had a start

>>18518712
Im not a creationist but that image doesn't prove anything related to evolution. A creationist could simply say that God created creatures in a way that they are somewhat similar to each other in some ways. It makes sense, why would a creator create animals that are just completely random and have nothing in common with each other?

>>18519061
Read a book

>>18518712
Now explain how it shares an ancestor with a banana tree.

>>18519045
Ad hominem

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>>18519086
Here's an image that should be simple enough for you to understand.

>>18516645
There's no god.

>>18519099
They are made from the same material, everything in the universe is made with the same material. Doesn't mean your great uncle is a mango tree.

>>18518562
>Evolution has never been proven.
Evolution is directly observed.
>There has never been observed one species becoming another species.
This has, in fact, been observed. Speciation has been observed multiple times.
>There's barely any trace of us anywhere in the world outside if what humans have built in the past 6'000 years.
There are multiple human creations that are far older than 6000 years old
>it's pretty ridiculous to even consider that a lion, a lizard, a human and condor all descend from this one fish that randomly grew legs and walked out the sea.
No, it isn't. It's actually very easy to understand.
>How is the belief that humans, mosquitoes and onions evolved from the same being, sane in any way?
Because evolution is actually a pretty easy to understand mathematical principle.

>>18519159
>Evolution is directly observed.
>This has, in fact, been observed. Speciation has been observed multiple times.
Complete lie.

>There are multiple human creations that are far older than 6000 years old

Not a single one.

>actually a pretty easy to understand mathematical principle.
Just empty words you say.

>>18519173
>Complete lie.
No, it isn't.
>Not a single one.
Gobekli tepe
>Just empty words you say.
None of those are "empty words". Evolution is not a difficult concept to grasp.

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You don't look identical to your father
Your children will not look completely identical to you either
Every generation of humans, looks slightly different than the previous generation. Even if the difference is 0.0001% it's still a difference we can observe
Now imagine this happening over the course of 1 million years
This is evolution
If this all goes over your head you're just retarded

>>18519188
>No, it isn't.
Show proof of an animal that became another completely distinct species of animal

>Gobekli tepe

Why should I trust the dating of archeologists? What proof there is of their accuracy? Even so, 9000 years old is still nowhere near your claim we've been kicking around and mutating for a few hundred thousand to a million years.

Saying that it is mathematically possible that a random clump of cells can eventually become an onion or an elephant if left alone for a billion years it's not proof that the world and life on it was caused by a random cell randomly mutating to every single combination of genes like a hacker brute forcing a password until it came up with every single creature in the universe, randomly, without any input from anyone or anything over the course of 100 billion years.

And somehow that is more sane to believe that an intelligent God designed everything.

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>>18516645
My best understanding is that all happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

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>>18518533
>No, mutations accumulating more and more changes over generations is completely coherent.
This doesn't provide a reason or explain why there is something instead of nothing.

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>>18519012
>The days of creation are well understood to not be a literal 24 hour duration.
They are 24 hour days, see Exodus 20:11.

"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
(Exodus 20:11)

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>>18519487
Every one of these posters is mentally retarded btw

>>18518500
>no it's not proven at all
did your god make chihuahuas, yes or no

>>18519224
the theory of evolution doesn't try to, or have to, explain where the world came from or how life began any more than the theory of gravity has to. idiot.

>>18516645
Pruning vines.

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>>18518433
The single cell contains 46 Chromosomes that totals to over 6 BILLION base pairs

If just one code was faulty, the entire cell would collapse and die

The DNA must be created, maintained, nurtured, repaired and reproduced without any single error for 6 billions years straight

All the landslides and thunderstorms in history will not create a single Car factory
So why do you insist that something more complex can be done naturally

If something can be done naturally, it must be done frequently
And, as it stands, life occured only once. All life on Earth can be traced to LUCA

>>18516645
That’s atheist fiction, it’s not real. Those all are equally old, about 6,000 years.

>>18519589
It is a proved fact that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and none of that stuff is fiction. You just don't understand basic chemistry or math.

>>18516645
Deist here:
God was enacting cause and effect. Humans aren't special, we're just the expression of cause and effect

>>18519804
>You just don't understand basic chemistry or math.
Do you? Or do you just have blind faith in scientific writings?

>>18519870
Uranium decays into varying isotopes as part of the uranium series and eventually into lead over the course of 4.5 billion years. By measuring the ratio between uranium and lead in the soil we can confirm that the soil formed over 4.5 billion years ago. If you don't think radioactive decay is real and that this is all just blind faith then I invite you to swallow some uranium pellets and let me know how it goes

>>18517590
What do dinosaurs have to do with butt sex you depraved freak?

>>18519494
nah they're just trolls.

>>18519012
>God must exist.
... or you are a retard for believing in one? hmmm ...

>>18519918
Believing in what?

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>>18516645
>not posting it to scale

>>18516645
>What was God doing here?
The same thing he's doing now: playing. Lifeless pop-sci golems wouldn't get it.

>>18519886
We all know why degenerates hate God

>>18517590
>Bro most of this is debunked
none of it is "debunked".

>>18519877
God put lead in the soil. Why would you assume that all the lead in the soul must have only come from uranium, and second, who has observed uranium for 4.5 billion years to know for certain it turns into lead? What type of practice or technique do they use to figure out uranium turns into lead in exactly 4.5 billion years?

>>18518562
I can't tell if this is a troll or an actual subhuman evangelical biblical literalist.

>>18520530
https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1986/0110/report.pdf

>>18519578
>If just one code was faulty, the entire cell would collapse and die
it's possible to live with 47 chromosomes
it's even possible to solve the captcha with 47 chromosomes, as (You) demonstrate

>>18520606
Not evidence.

>>18516645
Ephemeus was hard at work making animal and plant life while his brother prometheus was warming up to make humanity

Ignore Abrahamic Genesis read the Theurgy
>>18517590
Yahweh didnt create shit and non catholic christians are idiots for ignoring evolution and the big bang
>>18517681
Find a missing link
>well where is the link between that
Repeat infinitely

>>18520642
Yes, it is

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>>18520636
Yeah, """""live"""""

P.S
I said "faulty", as in a wrong molecule, not wrong sequence (mutation) or wrong number (down syndrome)

If just one molecule in the DNA strand was wrong, it would turn into mush

The DNA is the single most complex thing in the universe. It was created, protected, nurtured, maintained, and replicated over and over for 4 billion years without fail.
And you think that nothing supernatural is happening

>>18519877
That presupposes that God did not create the world, since it presupposes that the matter which exists is the product of a natural process. It is circular reasoning.

>>18521899
It doesn't presuppose anything, it observes it (it is a post-supposition, not a presupposition). You presupps need to stop with this extremely low tier argumentation.

>>18521905
That is incorrect, this statement “By measuring the ratio between uranium and lead in the soil we can confirm that the soil formed over 4.5 billion years ago” directly presupposes that the lead in the soil arose through the natural process of uranium degenerating into it, since otherwise it is irrelevant evidence. Not too bright are we?

>>18519578
>over 6 BILLION base pairs
Wow, that's a big number
I still don't get why that's predicted by God

God has the superpower to do anything (omnipotence), I could have created humans with any number of base pair, or none

>gets his education from satanic fool system
>asks where God fits in with his world view

>>18516692
>Dinosaurs are definitely not real
Kind of this, at least as they're portrayed. I'm pretty sure some of them are reptilian creatures closer to dragons.
>it's a 'recreation' printed in china.
This. They'll keep precious artworks and mummies encased in glass for fear of exposing them to moisture and oxygen but somehow its ok to expose dinosaur bones to the public. They probably keep the real ones safekept for research purposes.
>>18516815
Lel

>>18521915
We observe the isotopes decay, there is no assumption in it.

>>18517590
This, based

>>18521935
You didn’t observe the uranium decay into the lead though, you presupposed that happened (because you’re presupposing naturalism) and made an irrelevant calculation based on it.

>>18516692
nobody knows for certain, fossils are strong evidence but we will never be certain.

>>18521938
>You didn’t observe the uranium decay into the lead though
We observe this happening, that's how we can measure the rate.
>and made an irrelevant calculation based on it.
It's not irrelevant seeing as it is the direct calculation

>>18521942
>We observe this happening
That’s irrelevant, you didn’t observe this in the past as the origin of all lead on earth
>It's not irrelevant seeing as it is the direct calculation
Since there is no reason to believe all lead on earth is the product of a natural process, it is irrelevant because the lead and uranium you are comparing are equally old (about 6,000 years) having been simultaneously created from nothing.

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>>18521945
>Since there is no reason to believe all lead on earth is the product of a natural process,
We don't, we specifically look for Lead-206, and the other isotopes in the Uranium series, such as Ionium, radium, radon and so fourth, and the presence and quantities of these is predictable and expected with the decay rate of uranium, which we can also observe directly, as the weight of uranium changes as expected based on the atomic weight of its decay particles based on their atomic mass units
Some of these isotopes, such as radon, have a half-life of only 3 days by the way, so they can only exist naturally as a result of uranium decay

>>18521956
>so they can only exist naturally
The matter of the universe does not exist naturally, but supernaturally was created from nothing.

>christians claim that the millions of fossils that have been dug up by different countries, including ones that are enemies, all in the exact correct places that evolution predicts they will be with no contradictions AND basic chemistry that every chemistry student learns in their sophmore year of university AND basic mathematics are all lies because they think their book says the earth is only a few thousand years old

>>18521963
How does evolutionism predict locations certain fossils will appear in?

>>18521961
Quantum fields are eternal

>>18516652
This.

>>18521966
If quantum fields exist in every part of time, it implies only that they are as old as the creation, and not uncreated.

>>18521965
Because they can compute the migratory patterns, geologic continental drift,
You guys don't understand how paleontology works. Paleontologists and geologists can predict
>"There will be a species B that is in-between morphological species A and species C because it is a transition between them, and it will exist in longitude X and latitude Y and will be in strata S becaues it lived N years ago"
And then go and dig up in that location and find the species that looks like they predicted in the strata and location they predicted it to be. This is done all the time, because evolution is true and makes predictions. You do know that we can make predictions about the past and confirm them, right?

>>18521961
You can move your goalpost as much as you want but the Earth is still around 4-5 billion years old. Deep time isn't even incompatible with Christian theology so I don't know why so many of you die on the hill of YEC

>>18521972
That’s only a prediction that similar creatures will be found in similar environments.

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Mexican post

>>18521982
No, it's a specific prediction that a transitional form will be found in the specific strata, date, and location

>>18521977
>You can move your goalpost as much as you want but the Earth is still around 4-5 billion years old.
There was no goalpost moving and you’ve given up the pretense of making an argument so I accept your concession
>Deep time isn't even incompatible with Christian theology
Deep time is incompatible with the testimony of the word of God because we know how long Adam lived, and how much time transpired between him and Christ, and how long ago Christ was, and when Adam was created. There is an argument that the genealogies of scripture are incomplete, and contain some omissions, but if this is granted it could only establish a few thousand extra years, and nowhere near the few billion necessary to reconcile the Epicurean creation myth.

>>18521988
“Transitional form” is a question-begging epithet. Species A B and C are only creatures which are substantially similar to each other, and not related to each other, likewise this or that stratum and location represents an environment, i.e. one which would be favorable to the creature while it was alive. “Date” is a falsehood and irrelevance because 1. it is identical to stratum in this context, and 2. age is not a physical property.

>>18521989
okay, but the Earth is still around 4-5 billion years old as evidence by the presence of Uranium-238 so you're just going to have to learn to deal with it I guess

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>>18521996
The earth is about 6,000 years old, trust God’s word.

>>18521995
>“Transitional form” is a question-begging epithet. Species A B and C are only creatures which are substantially similar to each other,
No, because we can predict the transition and then confirm the prediction.
>and not related to each other
They are
>likewise this or that stratum and location represents an environment, i.e. one which would be favorable to the creature while it was alive.
No, they can be in completely different environments, because the evolution radically changed them.
>“Date” is a falsehood
Its not

You really do not know what you're talking about and seem to be grabbing from a basket of nonsense talking points.

>>18522006
>No, because we can predict the transition and then confirm the prediction.
You’re only predicting similar creatures
>They are
Not an argument
>No, they can be in completely different environments, because the evolution radically changed them.
If they are radically different from each other then the prediction is meaningless and the determination of any relationship between them is arbitrary.
>Its not
Not an argument

To reinforce the point that age is not a measurable physical property and you can’t find fossils in a “date”, you were mistaken in saying we make predictions about the past. You don’t dig the fossil up in the past, you dig it up in the present. These are predictions about the present.

>>18521926
God made the Laws of Physics
He is a King. A king must obey his own laws for a king who is above his own law is nothing more than a tyrant

>inb4 miracles
Intervention of the Holy Spirit is part of the Law. But it is an interference, not reality

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>1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
>2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
>3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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>4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

>5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

>6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

>7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

>8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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>14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

>15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

>16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

>17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

>18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

>19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

This all is directly describing the creation of a flat earth with a solid dome firmament where the water is on the outside like a snowglobe and the sun and moon and starts are inside the firmament.

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>>18522038
The bible is not the word of God.

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>>18522040
Enjoy hell

>>18522046
The earth isn't flat with a dome.

>>18522048
Your soul will burn in hell though.

>>18522049
It won't. The bible gets the world wrong on the very first page.

>>18522051
There was zero description of the shape of the earth at all in what you posted. Your own scoffing will ring in your ears for eternity, fool

>>18522062
It directly describes the construction of the firmament and placing the sun, moon, and stars inside. I wrote out the quotes verbatim from the KJV
You literally can not read. Souls don't exist btw, swine. You're going to die and you will not have eternal life.

>>18522014
>You’re only predicting similar creatures
No, they're predicting transitional forms
>Not an argument
Yes, it is. The creatures are indeed related to each other and transitional forms.
>If they are radically different from each other then the prediction is meaningless and the determination of any relationship between them is arbitrary.
No, it isnt, because you can predict what they will look like even when they are radically different and then go and find them. What you're saying is retarded
>Not an argument
Yes, it is. Date is not a falsehood, and you just saying it is doesn't mean anything.
>To reinforce the point that age is not a measurable physical property and you can’t find fossils in a “date”
How columns are dated was explained to you by the other anon. And no, the predictions are about what happened in the past. Whoever told you that you can't make predictions about the past lied to you.