>Arabs castrated their slaves and killed them when they were done working>Americans treated their slaves with more humanity and eventually freed them>For this, Americans are today blamed entirely for slavery and hated more than any other groupWhat are some other examples of historic irony?
>>18517464Your mistake was to let them live.
>>18517467Yeah, that's my pointThe kinder ones got punished
>castrating people you need for their strength.
>>18517469No place for kindness in this cruel world.
>>18517464Arabs didn't castrate their slaves to the extent Facebook-brained liberals or white nationalists imply, a castrated man lacks testosterone and physically cannot do the labor-intensive work that the average slave demands. Black slaves in the Arab or Muslim world were much less often eunuchs than they were forced laborers, soldiers or other various roles. They especially were not randomly killed. If any of what you said about Arab slavery was true, the massive Zanj rebellion where African slave Zanj killed more Arabs than Arabs killed Zanj, would not have been possible. Black slaves in the Arab or Muslim world also had more chances to rise in social rank or achieve freedom, especially as they and their descendants became Muslims, in comparison to slaves in America. Black slaves, former slaves, slave soldiers or otherwise could become local governors, have de-facto control over a country or serve as an integral part of the state and upend their slavers.
>>18517487That's not how testosterone works.If you have your balls hacked off tomorrow you don't become a snivelling weakling in a day, a week, a month, or even a year. Over an extremely long period of time you may see mild muscle atrophy, but provided you're castrated as an adult you keep the muscles you already have.
>>18517464Americans are blamed for two reasons:>Racism of higher expectations is unironically a thing. The same act is viewed as more heinous when whites do it as opposed to browns, because it's assumed whites have higher moral agency. This is also why hand-chopping in the Congo is only considered heinous when it happened under Leopold and not under black/Arab rule beforehand.>American slavery was more race-based and racism makes people sad more than slavery does. Forms of non-slavery types of racism like Apartheid or segregation is viewed by our culture as worse than Arab slavery.
>>18517492>Racism of higher expectationslower*
>>18517489That's true but they didn't castrate them as frequently as many think nevertheless. Their dicks were left untouched. Eunuchs were a smaller part of the total slave population in Arab, Muslim lands and many black Zinji were reported to have taken numerous Arab women as sex slaves in primary accounts of the rebellion, black slaves in certain countries had wives wrought from the local population, these are logically not the acts of those without a penis.
>>18517464>Arabs castrated their slavesMost weren't castrated.>killed them when they were done working.They were let go. Hence the communities of African descent people in the ME on top of places like Zanzibar.
>>18517514Are these communities of African descent people in the ME in the room with us now?
>>18517492>>Racism of higher expectations is unironically a thing.It's not and only boomers jack off to the "racism of higher/lower expectations" idiocy.>This is also why hand-chopping in the Congo is only considered heinous when it happened under Leopold and not under black/Arab rule beforehand.What the fuck are you even saying? No one said that none of the blame could be given to the FP at all and Leopold had direct authority and control of his policies on top of basically letting his mercenaries or company officers have free reign.>Forms of non-slavery types of racism like Apartheid or segregation is viewed by our culture as worse than Arab slavery.Shitty loaded statement. Holy shit this is peak Facebook slop posting.
>>18517489>provided you're castrated as an adult you keep the muscles you already have.When you get castrated the survival rate prior to modern medicine was pretty awful.>>18517516You can search them up.
>>18517464First off while it’s true that Arabs castrated their slaves it’s NOT true that they eventually killed them.In fact one of the most stark difference between the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade and the Arab one is that slaves in the latter were freed after a certain number of years and they could even buy their own freedom while in the New World the condition was lifelong and hereditary. In the Arab world a child born of a slave was free, both because male slaves could not sure children because of the aforementioned castration and the children born of the union of master and slave mistress was legally born free.Meanwhile plantation owners in the South sold their own children born from unions with their slaves as property since they were legally born slaves.Additionally the slave trade in the New World was racialized, initially targetting Amerindians but then switching exclusively to black Africans. In the Arab world slavery could happen to anyone, whether black Nubians or white Circassians.Also your arguments are very likely lifted from Matt Walsh’s documentary, which has been utterly demolished by Fredda in his latest video.> https://youtu.be/mpMk9fX3js8?si=Qcp5ZQoP4AU4Nvz_ Overall very disingenuous thread OP, apply yourself.
>>18517489>That's not how testosterone works.Even better, that's how fucking Medievalfags believed testosterone works. Which is why the only slaves that got their balls cut off in Islamic realms were harem slaves, and only rich guys & the nobility had those.Slavery is such a broad term in the Middle East. There's fucking levels to it. Not every slave was treated as some farm/mining equipment, you had clerical slaves and, perhaps the most important slaves, slave soldiers. Some had it worse off, some had lives indistinguishable, while some lived like elites.What the faggot OP also brushes over is how manumission of slaves was super common: freeing a slave (but not ending slavery itself mind you) was one of the fastest ways to get good boy points in Medieval Islamic beliefs. There was a high turnover rate for slaves after they are done being useful (or if the Master is unable to care for them anymore) that whole communities of ex-slaves emerged amongst the Medieval Islamic peasantry. Not to mention segregating ex-slaves wasn't even a thing in the Arab world. They just married into the existing population (well usually the common classes) and their racial heritage disappeared into the genetic blender that was/is the fucking middle east.
>>18517521What a vapid response. Your first point has no substance. The other two points make it seem like you inhabit a completely different culture than the rest of us. Fact is, normies are aghast only at Leopold, not at previous brown/black rulers of the Congo who also chopped hands.Fact is, segregation is seen as worse than every form of slavery except the one that was practiced in antebellum US. European imperialism is seen as much worse than brown imperialism, etc.
>>18517532Another example is deportation. ICE is seen as the worst thing ever, meanwhile brown thirdie countries constantly deport large swathes of their populations on ethnic grounds and nobody cares.The only time normies and libs will ever be seriously apoplectic at a non-white empire is Imperial Japan it seems. That seems to be the one exception
>>18517532>Your first point has no substanceCalling our thr expectations thing as boomer slop is substantial because it's a type of bad rhetoric you only sew on old cruddy websites in the 2000s and cable news.>Fact is, normies are aghast only at Leopold, not at previous brown/black rulers of the Congo who also chopped hands.Again loaded statement and you seel to be pushing the strange assumption that blacks in the Congo were a monolith or that a wartime/corporal punishment method was common. That's like saying because some white guys used to waterborne each other in the Indies that meant waterboarding was rampant in Europe proper.>segregation is seen as worse than every form of slavery except the one that was practiced in antebellum US.Why are you even bringing thia up. It seems you're trying to throw the kitchen sink in regards to bringing up "topics" about blacks. Segregation was something that occurred for decades and many Americans to this day were alive when it was still active. So it being recent makes it more fresh in people's memories.>European imperialism is seen as much worse than brown imperialism, etc.Why are you bringing this all up like this. You wanna form a grievance conga line? There's a fuckton of critique of "brown" empires allover the pace you mentally stunted retard. Not our fault you refuse to do basic reading.
>>18517541>brown thirdie countries constantly deport large swathes of their populations on ethnic grounds and nobody cares.A ton of condemnation was done anon.
>>18517516https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Saudis
>>18517529I'm not even Arab but its clear that most people on here and on other sites bringing up the Arab slave trade against black Africans are wignats who want to whitewash the inhumanities of the TAST by portraying Arab slavery as 10 times worse, akin to something from Warhammer 40K with rape, random killings, endless torture, mutilation and castration. It was obviously horrible to be a slave no shit, but no time in the Arab slave trade was as bad and oppressive as the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
>>18517543It was merely irrelevant pro forma. You don't see redditors posting art of Pakistani border agents being gleefully murdered. You don't see Hollywood making murder porn films about Arab slave owners being killed.Hell, just compare the outrage Palestine gets vs. Yemen or Sudan. Most people aren't even aware genocidal massacres are occuring there with higher body counts than Palestine, because those are intra-brown conflicts so nobody cares.>>18517542I've no idea what this wordslop is trying to argue or what your position even is. >Why are you even bringing thia up. Because racism is seen as worse than slavery. Nobody cares about non-racist instances of slavery (which happened in most societies on Earth). Everybody only cares about American slavery because it was racist. People care about racist acts of non-slavery in the past (segregation) more than about the mass slavery currently occuring in Africa.>There's a fuckton of critique of "brown" empires allover the pace you mentally stunted retard.Nobody is moralfagging about brown empires you dipshit (except conservatives when they try to whatabout).
>>18517556> mass slavery> massNo.
>>18517556>Nobody is moralfagging about brown empires you dipshitPeople moralfag about Islamic empires all the time on this board. How new are you?
>>18517557There are more slaves in Africa right now than there were in the US when the Civil War began
>>18517556>>18517558On the other hand, the same people actively worship Mongolian violence and Mongols as an unspoken masterrace superior even to white people("slavshits").
>>18517558Yes, the conservative whatabouters which I literally mentioned in the same sentence you quoted retard
>>18517561They aren't "conservative" and they aren't "whatabouting", they intensively seethe about the Ottoman Empire and Al-andalus and what not, literal ancient history of long dead empires.
>>18517559> forced marriage makes up nearly half of all casesIs that reaalllly slavery?
>>18517564I mean it's basically lifelong rape so it's even worse than regular slavery
>>18517563Moralfagging about Islamic empires is not something that happens anywhere outside of /his/ and Eurovision. Even on /his/ it's not moralfagging but shitting on Muslims for being brown actually
I am always blown away that people treat a lot of Arabic people as indigenious to parts of North Africa and the Middle East when Syraics and Copts are the indigenious people. Same with some parts of India and Pakistan. In many cases they were the product of fairly recent migration or even imported labor. The other big thing that comes to mind is the naturalisms of Anaximander. He was pretty impressive and just lacked mathmatization but more credit is given to Socrates and Plato.
>>18517529Stop shilling your boring channel
>>18517492Wow why is everyone such a massive bitch?
>>18517558This board =/= normie society, which leans liberal usually
>>18517624Wow its like American Liberals (loudest of Western Liberals) care mostly about stuff that happened in their country as opposed to others. Shocking.
>>18517624That is not really a liberal, Marxist or communitarian persepctive. It is really an online thing from what I can tell. Academically, it is pretty well known how bad it was. The racialized and Islamic tribalized components are known too.
>>18517542>Again loaded statement and you seel to be pushing the strange assumption that blacks in the Congo were a monolith or that a wartime/corporal punishment method was common. That's like saying because some white guys used to waterborne each other in the Indies that meant waterboarding was rampant in Europe proper.Incoherent reply. It's not about how widespread it was (much of pleb knowledge about it is a fabrication by Adam Hochschild anyway), it's about the fact that normies are outraged about it only if whites do it.And yes, people moralfag about American slavery just because it was racist. Basically every premodern society had slaves, but they don't get brought up because they lacked the white vs. brown/black racial element. Ancient Roman slavery was more brutal than the American one but it wasn't racist so nobody cares, in fact normies romanticize the Roman Empire all the time.
>>18517632Interestingly enough Islamic societies were also racist but nobody really cares or knows much about that
>>18517552You're trying to whitewash arabs out of hatred for white people, that you want to keep as the main vilain.>>18517552>It was obviously horrible to be a slave no shit, but no time in the Arab slave trade was as bad and oppressive as the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.Go tell that to the negroes they castrated, clown.I'm sure they were better off than Thomas Alexandre Dumas...
