Do you think China regrets not having its own Meiji restoration period
>>18518497He did with the four olds campaign
Chinese imperial power came to be seen as largely conservative towards the end of the Qing. The scramble to hastily implement reforms that they had previously shot down did little to convince people otherwise.So, no, aside from nationalists, it's probably recognized that an imperial restoration in China would have slowed modernization even more so.
>>18518531>China doesn’t regret its century of humiliation Holy cope
>Japan is not a superpower, not even really a world power, mostly known for treating its people horribly as its population plummets>China is THE closest thing to an existential threat to the existing world order yeah I don't think they're that mad lad
The KMT/CCP *is* China's Meiji Restoration moment, except with bigger casualties and more foreign involvement.>Old Order abolished by young modernists.>The young modernists studied abroad, return home, and try a buttload of modern ideas to see what works.>The modernists end up fighting each other over the future path of the nation.>A faction of radicals wins.>The radicals gets the run of the country for a while, radically changing things,>Even recommending the demolition of old identity.>The radicals eventually lose power by being so retardedly radical and more practical moderates take over who have a more sedate & practical pathway towards modernity & prosperity.Its ridiculous how generally China followed Japan's path to modernity despite ideological shifts. They even had that period where they want to abandon their culture and totally embrace a western Philosophy (Meiji Westernists like Fukuzawa Yukichi who wanted total westernization, China's Cultural Revolution that wanted total adherence to a "new vision" of China & abolition of the "Four Olds), only to eventually realize that's dumb & nation destroying and have a huge RETVRN movement towards nationalist thinking (Late Meiji "reverse course" to Japaneseness/Neo-Confucianism, Modern Chinese Nationalism which celebrates China's Pre-Communist path).
>>18518552That's not what was asked. China does regret its century of humiliation but because it lays blame on the conservatism of imperial rule, it's hard to see why they would want a restoration of that power. It's not the same as in Japan where the shogunate represented the conservative faction in contrast to an imperial push for reform and modernization.
>>18518577It only came at the cost of erasing their deep cultural identity on a scale never before seen, lmao; in fact they’re such simps for western-everything they can’t not abide by a western socialist system with a Chinese twist. Everything they live in, wear, drive, and steal/innovate from, is derived the west. A bearded Jew fucked China. Thanks Marx! Chinese fathers whip their daughters for not being good enough at the violin, kek.
>>18518593>the shogunate represented the conservative faction in contrast to an imperial push for reform and modernization.It was the other way around. The Shogunate was modernizing which pissed off the conservatives who backed the Emperor. The imperialists just ended up continuing modernization after winning which sparked two rebellions in response.
>>18518666Chinese people also play their traditional instruments though. It's not uncommon to meet someone who learned the guqin, guzheng, or dizi in high school. There are modern bands that specialize in this kind of music too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUQ9rDswHdw
>>18518577No. China has had a historical jewish population for centuries, they're the most jewed oriental country by far. The jews intentionally chose to move manufacturing to China, this is part of their plan. And china has a great relation with israel.
>>18518692You can find videos of irish people prancing around with ridiculous outfits speaking in a mongrelized gaelic. does that mean gaelic culture survived? you're a clown.
>>18518666They even twist their ancient philosophies around to try to make them fit the jewish ideology. Like when christians twist their religion to make it zionist. What a sad nation.
>>18519117>Like when christians twist their religion to make it zionistDon’t Christians prefer Jews to Muslims? Didn’t Christians hijack pagan practices as their own?
>>18519124Most christians are pretty open to the fact that they adapted pagan practices, this isn't the own you think it is. The chinese twist their ancient texts around to fit the ideas of 19th century and 20th century jews. traditionally christians dislike both of them.
>>18519132I’m not trying to make an own. I’m just asking for verification. Muslims also take shit and pretend it’s their own. One of the only good things about Islam is that they preserve some forms of architecture (while destroying others of course).
>>18518497China had their own Meiji restoration in 1980s and 90s
>>18518497They destroyed large portion of old culture to replace it with the new idea of communism. Thats the meiji restoration attempt.
>>18518497They tried that and it failed. Because a woman was in charge and had a woman moment.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days%27_Reform
>>18519112Sure? Chinese culture didn't die out and neither did Irish culture as far as I'm aware.Your argument is clearly stupid and motivated by insecurity that China is rapidly on the ascent while your nation stagnates. >>18519117Uh no, they apply their ancient philosophies to modern problems in the same way Western countries do.>>18519201Not really. Culture isn't just a bunch of statues and temples (and even then, many of these remain; China having the most UNESCO heritage sites in the world).Chinese people still widely practice folk religion and a combination of Buddhism, Daoism, and Confucianism dominate cultural life. People still play traditional instruments, do traditional dances, traditional festivals exist all over the country, etc.
>>18519335Culture is customs, books, statues, temples, people, religion, customs.Communist china killed 100 million people and destroyed their old culture, religion, idea
>>18519339>customsFilial piety, etiquette, marriage customs, etc., all still exist in China>booksChinese people still widely read daodejing, the four great classic novels, Confucius, etc.>statueshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terracotta_Armyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longmen_Grottoes>templeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Confucius,_Qufu>peopleHan people still exist as do most ethnic minority groups>Communist china killed 100 million people and destroyed their old culture, religion, ideaNope, they tried to do this and some cultural sites were damaged but many were not and the customs and religion of Chinese people was largely unchanged.
>>18519354>someboth the meiji and the chinese destroyed like tens of thousands of temples/monasteries/buildings. the commies killed 100 million people, wiped out.
>>18519339I don't know if you know this, but the cultural revolution failed. Mao died and his opponents took over. Immediately afterwards there was a period of reversing this called 拨乱反正, a name taken from Spring and Autumn Annals, one of the classics, traditionally considered a work of Confucius. There's no destruction or rejection of ancient China now. Chinese state TV produces historical dramas for average people to watch. The 1994 ROTK tv show used PLA units as extras for army scenes. Xi Jinping met the US president at the Temple of Heaven just recently. There's even a niche trend of people wearing "hanfu" or classical chinese clothing.
>>18519370I think for Mao's last few years, even he was scared of what he started with the Red Guards destroying everything and tried to get them to cool it so they didn't do some sort of youth revolution like in the west and replace a geezer with him with the Chicom equivalent of AOC
>>18519375*geezer like him with the...
>>18519368We just established that culture can't be reduced to temples though. And besides, China has the most UNESCO world heritage sites of any country on Earth. There are still heaps of temples remaining.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Confucian_temples_in_Chinahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddhist_temples_in_Chinahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Taoist_temples_in_China
>>18519375>le cultural revolutionA civil war, floods, and japanese invasion did more damage to their culture than any zoomer red guard ever did. Try finding "culture" in a post-ww2 berlin or hiroshima after it was bombed to shit.
>>18519335>Chinese people still widely practice folk religion and a combination of Buddhism, Daoism, and Confucianism dominate cultural lifeYeah. After it nearly got fucking destroyed. Lmao. So many Buddhist statues obliterated. So many texts gone. All because of some fat lice infested pedophile. Kek. That they think he did any amount of good is hilarious. All the good that came out of socialist China was in SPITE of the fact that he nearly killed their cultural soul. Arguably their soul is still in absolute tatters.
>>18519731it's just an iconoclasm. Christian countries had hundreds or even thousands of those over the centuries. Their culture's still there. nobody argues the cultural revolution was good. The CCP put Deng Xiaoping's policies in the constitution.
>>18519737Whenever Europe does something it’s nowhere near as bad as when China does something. Sorry. The Chinese are simply more unified and collective, in both prosperity and civil insanity.
>>18519335What's your definition of a culture dying out? Surely anything can just be "revived" according to you?>China is rapidly on the ascent while your nation stagnates.Thanks for revealing that it's you who's politically motivated. You didn't come here to discuss history.> they apply their ancient philosophies to modern problems in the same way Western countries do.No. They radically reinterpret it to fit bolshevikism. This is a disgrace to their history.
>>18519382>We just established that culture can't be reduced to temples though.No one argued that though, did they?Why are you defending iconoclasm?
>>18518666The Japanese tore down all their castles during the meiji restoration. All castles in Japan are tourist reconstructions built for the 1964 Tokyo Olympics. Japan was very close to replacing its language with English during the meiji era. Even still the Japanese language today increasingly uses English words while Chinese translates everything into Chinese.
>>18518497>Do you think Germany regrets not existing until 1871I'm sure they don't like being late but that didn't stop them from showing what they're capable of
>>18519795Theodosius destroyed all pagan temples in Rome and massacred Romans for protesting against German immigration. He also banned the Olympic games while his son Honorius banned gladiatorial combat, for being pagan practices. No one today knows what old Roman rituals are like or what Roman music sounds like, and the gladiator tradition is entirely discontinued, unlike e.g. Shaolin temple.
>>18521284For some reason you omitted the fact that the japanese already demolished their castles and temples every two hundred years or so
>>18521297Are you implying that that temple wasn't demolished during the cultural revolution? Because it was
>>18521348Go to shizuoka which is 1 hour from Tokyo by shinkansen. The main attraction is a giant castle in the middle of town. Except inside the walls there's nothing but some parking lots. They tore down the local castle and never rebuilt. The meiji restoration was about wiping out the feudal order and replacing it with capitalism and western forms of government.
>>18521358Meant for >>18521323
>>18521358What's that got to do with the lie you posted about the chinese temple?
>>18521361You contradicted yourself, you said the walls are there but then said the castle remains demolished. That makes no sense.
>>18521348It just shows Europe does the same but pretends they don't. And it was just one example. We can talk about Henry VIII destroying every catholic monastery in england. The byzantine iconoclasm under Leo III. Protestant iconoclasm. The French revolution and the Russian revolution. Nazi art theft. And whatever the USA did to its old cities in the 1970s.
>>18521368Yeah I'm sure the original castle was a wall with a parking lot behind it.
>>18521370No one here has denied the enormous iconoclasm during the early christian period in rome. Many anons openly discuss it here all the time, especially what went on during the reformation. You're deflecting because you're insecure about ccp being criticized.
>>18521372So you're saying it was rebuilt, yeah, that's a standard practice
>>18521377I didn't know the original castle plan was a wall with a parking lot and no actual castle. Are you sure the Japanese rebuilding contractor got it right?
>>18521374>insecure about ccp being criticized.No one gives a shit about you criticizing the CCP. the western media and governments do it all day and it hasn't stopped China's historic and meteoric rise. The dogs bark and the caravan marches on.
>>18521382Where did you get the idea that castles anywhere always have some dedicated plan and aren't modified to support current needs?
>>18521387Sure you don't care about ccp being criticized, that's why you keep praising prc throughout this thread?
>>18521389I see. It's ok to tear down a castle and replace it with a parking lot because that's part of the omyodo o algo.
>>18521404No one said that
>>18518585You need to punctuate your questions.
Of course it does
>>18520073Nobody speaking a language / practicing a religion / following an ideology. That would constitute dying out. The Manchu language and culture is on the brink of dying out. Certain aspects of Chinese culture being suppressed institutionally for a generation only to reemerge later on doesn't constitute extinction when hundreds of millions of lay people were still actively participating in that culture.>You didn't come here to discuss history.I did and an important aspect of that is discussing why people are motivated to misinterpret the history of foreign countries.If you want to be a rude asshole about the history of a great country then I will point out your obvious geopolitical motivations for it. You're living in the late Qing era of your own civilization and that's accompanied by an arrogant but ill founded dismissal of foreign powers.
>>18518666Actually historically and culturally illiterate award
>>18522198Please explain how he is wrong. I’ll wait.
They had the cultural revolution, which fulfilled the same purpose.
>>18518497The Xinhai Revolution was China's Meiji Restoration. It just didn't go as well for them as it did Japan.
>>18522808It didn’t fulfill the same purpose. Japan’s culture actually survived.
>>18518666They call it the most American post in history.
>>18523204India needs a cultural revolution.Cultural preservation=good, is not always the case. Some cultures should be left in the past.
>>18523293That just implies people cannot advance their own culture.
>>18518666They hated him because he told the truth>666Devilish even
>>18518585Japan embraced Westernism with a Japanese twist. Of course they would. They made it their own. It was a no brainer. The issue is China sucked at doing what Japan did because Mao was an insane retard and socialism is cancer. Chinese people are also fucking insane.
>>18523342Creation comes with destruction
>>18523359Hypothetically you can minimize the bad and maximize the good. You can keep a culture whilst reforming it. Christianity did this. Europe did this. The Renaissance embraced the old while ditching it all the same. Even the outdated was admired.
>>18518585>>18523350The Meiji Restoration actually embraced a "blending" strategy, utilizing the concept of ‘wakon yosai’ ("Japanese spirit, Western technology") to synthesize Western institutions with native philosophies. By elevating Shinto and the Emperor, leadership grounded modernization in historical continuity with their cultural line rather than destroying their cultural line or roots outright. Conversely, the Chinese Cultural Revolution viewed indigenous traditions (such as Confucianism and spiritualism) as systemic roadblocks to a communist utopia, initiating ideological purges aimed at destroying old native philosophies, and this resulted in a profound and irreversible, irrecoverable loss of priceless Chinese literature, art and artifacts. China didn’t really have a Meiji Restoration period.
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