ITT: We decide when (if ever) countries other than China have experienced something similar to a "Century of Humiliation".aka, a time spanning roughly 100 years when a country:>experiences unexpected or embarrassing military defeats>political fragmentation or a seemingly perpetual decline of political cohesion/strength>economic stagnation or collapse>internal strife (not necessarily rebellions or revolutions)>an "end" to this period in which the country is markedly different and reshaped from said humiliationsSpain, for example, experienced something close to a century of humiliation beginning with the Peninsular War.
Pajeetland has the entire 1700s, which is both century of humiliation and a meme warring states period.
An important characteristic of China's sense of humiliation is the stark contrast between being one of the most powerful and influential nations on Earth to then being the sick man of Asia.Objectively speaking, China fared better than many others on the receiving end of Western imperialism as they conceded relatively little in terms of territory and maintained political sovereignty. To get to the heart of the matter, you have to consider how a people see themselves before and after a period of calamity.
The United Kingdom is at the tail end of it's century of humiliation.>Palestine Emergency+War (1940s)The first instance in which Britain fails entirely on both a military and political front, handing responsibility to the international community.>Egyptian Revolution Off the back of its failure in Palestine, Britain is then driven from Egypt-the jewel in its African Empire.>Suez CrisisBritain humiliated on the world stage.>Cod WarsWhile not truly wars, Britain fails to stand up to an infinitely tinier nation (Iceland) over territorial waters. The country known for "ruling the waves" is humiliated 3 times in a row.>TroublesA decades long conflict on Britain's doorstep. Over 1,000 British Security Forces/Police killed, only for it to end with a compromise with those responsible for killing them and heavy concessions to separatists (nothing in return).>Thatcher Era in generalBotched attempts at strongarm politics bitterly divide the country and create permanent animosity against the Government, with the quality of life plummeting across the nation. Beginning of Britain's transition from titan of industry to service-focused "on paper prosperity.">Devolution of the United KingdomLabour implement devolution in an attempt to appease Scottish nationalists, only to permanently lose it to the SNP. Northern Ireland had a similar situation.>War in AfghanistanDeeply unpopular war, over 450 dead troops, only for a total Taliban victory.>Iraq WarSee above, but without the Taliban.>BrexitBotched EU deal leaves the nation bitterly divided and directionless. Successive ineffectual PMs result in a collapse of trust in the government.>Royal ScandalsQueen dies, her son is revealed to be a notorious nonce and Crown money is used to shield him. >2024 ElectionLabour wins a landslide victory in the least proportional election in British history. An era of immense government overreach begins. (We are here)
India has had a Millenium of Humiliation, starting with the Islamic invasions all the way up to todayThe Middle East has been in a century of humiliation (fall of Ottoman Empire to now)
>>18518597spain 1808-19363
>>18518597>believing chink propaganda pushing a narrative and painting themselves as victims of le evil westoidsThese are the most botted threads I've seen in a while
>>18519507Timmy out here always making everything about him. Part of the Century of Humiliation narratives were also about how they failed to modernize as well and how weak they were in response to the changing world around them. Not all of it was wailing about colonizers, it is worth noting that China also saw itself as an Empire.
Russia from the Crimean War to arguably the end of the second world war. Even though industrial output increased during that time period in almost every other metric it was terrible to be Russian.
>>18519662Russian prestige was also in the toilet after their humiliation in the Crimean war. The more things change the more they stay the same.
>>18518597Egypt was ruled by foreign powers for more than 2000 years>332 BC: Macedonians conquer Egypt>30 BC: Romans conquer Egypt>642 AD: Arabs conquer Egypt>1250: Mamluks conquer Egypt>1517: Ottomans conquer Egypt>1798: French conquer Egypt>1801: Ottomans "reconquer" Egypt >1882: British occupy Egypt>1914: Egypt as a formal British protectorate>1922: Egypt declares independence I don't think any country can top that. If you want to study the history of Egypt as an independent state, you can go back as far as 1922 and then you have to jump all the way back to Alexander.
>>18518597>France 1814-1918Occupation, premier status of Europe’s power gone, political instability, economic lagging, military defeat, diplomatic isolation, weakened cultural impact compared to before. Victory in World War One breathed life in a Republican-Liberal France that had seen defeat more common, much of the post Versailles states modeled themselves after the French directly.
>>18519802>I don't think any country can top that.Iraq has a ~2500 year streak starting even earlier than Egypt.
>>18519833Iraq’s geography dooms it to being vulnerable to domination from the Iranian plateau or Anatolia. Egypt has no such excuse
>>18519828France was still one of Europe's great powers during this entire period. It was only a relative loss of power. The occupation ended after only a few years, and France regained its pre-Revolution position as a great power pretty quickly. If you want to see a real shattering of a European power, look at Germany post 1945. Split in half for almost 50 years, occupied by a foreign power to this day, still not really allowed to have a fully independent military/intelligence apparatus, no nuclear weapons.
>>18519828But the French colonial empire grew during this period!
The 60 Years of Hurt
>>18518878you forgot an event or two, mate: the wrong kind of laissez faire governments we had during victoria's reign (where it mattered, the government kept itself away from affairs, such as education), and the consolidation of economic underperformance brought about by Labour in 45.the perhaps most cherished government is by far the worst one. we will never rid ourselves of the lethargic economy and morbidly obese State Labour gifted us (and the tories tolerated).basically every problem eating away at britain today has to do with forces related to how uncontainable, in every sphere conceivable (economy, civil service, the nhs...), the state is.reg brexit (which i voted for), we failed for the simple reason that we tasked the most important task since WW2 to the worst sort of politician imaginable, and the demographics needed are no longer here.this is another thing that even those more attentive have not perceived about britain: the people, the britons, the uk needs to turn things around no longer exist.
>>18519802Did you seriously think Egypt before Alexander was native run? It was part of the Persian empire!
>>18518597Russia quite literally has a "time of troubles" which means the same thing
