Currently we have degree holders who cannot find jobs because the jobs market is saturated with applicants. So now they wait tables. If education becomes subsidized, wouldn't that lead to more degree holders? Thus compounding this issue even more so?
>>18518929There is snargument to be made for the state investing its resources in educating engineers, scientists, and doctors, but the vast majority of degrees arent worth the paper they're printed on so it would be dumb for the state to pay for those. And I dont trust the state to sponsor candidates equitably, it'd be a give away to non whites and thats racism.
>>18518941What do degree holders do in countries that have socialized education? Or is that the reason why most of them seek jobs outside of their country?
The issue is that our economy isn't actually growing anymore, and hasn't since at least 2008, but arguably the dotcom bubble was a sign that we'd already peaked and everything was just running on fake and gay speculation to make the line go up even though real productivity was flat. Previously, advancements in technology were a lot more specific, i.e. a new machine that did one specific thing. This resulted in a narrow slice of the workforce being made redundant, and theirs kills would be transferable to other jobs within the same company, which allowed the company to grow its operations, or else they'd be laid off and had to find other work at other businesses which were still growing. The important thing, though, is that the influx of redundant workers was low enough that it didn't overwhelm the labor market, and that businesses were still scaling up operations, and growing. Then a wall is hit, where nobody can grow anymore, the entire globe is connected and saturated. The only way to move forward is to create entirely new categories of product. Enter the digital age, the age of software. The dotcom bubble was a direct result of boundless enthusiasm for this new frontier of economic expansion and its subsequent crash was a result of people having to face reality that the real world hadn't caught up yet with the unlimited potential of the internet. It would take time until there was a real market for software. So the economic expansion shifted to building out platforms for online commerce. The ultimate triumph of this was the smart phone, which coincidentally nearly coincided perfectly with the final collapse of the old economy in 2008.There was a lot of apparent expansion of companies in the wake of the smart phone and second flourishing of the internet. Tech companies became tech giants, and came to dominate the old order, replacing old media, disrupting old business models. But this new order didn't result in widespread prosperity, it just concentrated it.
>>18518929We make education free and fail-out the 90% percent lowest scoring applicants in the first year
>>18518977>Or is that the reason why most of them seek jobs outside of their country?Yes. Because in socialized countries lots of jobs are just "make work", subsidized by the state, and very low paying. In the west, those phony make work jobs are private sector and pay a lot more.
>>18518929I never understood this issue in the USA. In my country, every single college has dedicated free class seats for top-performing students across high school, in their admission, or both. Also a few for minorities or very poor students, but they still have to pass the meritocratic bar. As long as your grades stay up, you don't have to pay at all. If you dip, you might fall out of the ranking in a year, and have to pay for that year.Is this really so difficult to grasp?
>>18518929This is completely true but we should also only permit a college pass for those who score 135 or higher on an IQ test.>but how will Stacey ride the cock carouselShe won’t.>but how will niggerball U. Get it’s niggers???It won’t.
>>18518929It doesn't seem to be much of an exacerbated problem in most European countries with subsidized universities. On the contrary, since the subsidized universities don't treat you like a customer, the syllabus of a program (and even the program selection) is less likely to be edited for wider appeal. But I don't think the amount of degrees in a population and the quality of those degrees are the whole story. Computer science seems to be neither common nor low-quality and yet, unemployment is way above expectations.
>>18519014This literally doesnt address a single thing in the OP.. At all.
>>18519020>It doesn't seem to be much of an exacerbated problem in most European countries with subsidized universities.It very much is. In many of the nordic countries, having a degree is the bare minimum. Most individuals have to then rely upon low paying internships or have to jump through hoops with "certifications" post graduation essentially kicking the can down the road. There is also higher unemployment rates among the youth which is why culturally it was completely normal for individuals under 40 to still live with their parents.
>>18518929>Currently we have degree holders who cannot find jobs because the jobs market is saturated with applicants. So now they wait tables. If education becomes subsidized, wouldn't that lead to more degree holders? Thus compounding this issue even more so?Nope! Ironically it's not the job market's fault this time! It's been increasingly easier to get a degree, baby easy, to the point anyone who's barely literate can pull themselves into doing it. Studying and becoming proficient at the subject you chose to work with is what really makes a difference, if you spent all your uni years smoking weed, making out with fat emo bitches, using chatGPT and cheating on tests and projects of course anyone is gonna look at you and immediatly realise youre not worth hiring because your degree is more of a participation trophy rather than a certificate of your actual skills. This is yet another ramification of the "no child left behind" BS now perpetuated by university professors who feel too cucked to be harsh to their students the same way they were decades ago when having a degree meant something. I have gone really far as a lawyer for someone my age because I spent my free time learning as much as I could and keeping myself updated with recent developments on the subject alongside practicing my speech and writing skills to become as good as I could. I wasnt one of those lunatics who spent like 12 hours a day studying to becomr a professor, I had a life, but I still came out proficient with a fairly useful degree that pays me well and im sure the same logic is applicable even with more arsenine artsy degrees like 3d animation, architecture and graphic design that have quite a high skill ceiling. Professors are mostly to blame because it's their class but it's your responsability as a student to make the most of what you and your parents are paying for
>>18519023Youth unemployment in Nordic countries is not consistently above EU average.>>>Youth unemployment 2024:>Sweden 23.8%>Finland 19.2%>EU 14.9%>Denmark 12.1%>Norway 11.6%>Iceland 7.6%The same goes for unemployment among degree holders in general>>>Tertiary-educated unemployment, 2024>Denmark 4.6%>Sweden 4.5%>Finland 4.4%>EU 3.8%>Norway 2.5%>Iceland 2.3%
>>18519014I'm guessing your country has some kind of national education department or something like that? A centralized board that oversees educational standards, certifies all the schools and teachers, and provides funding to schools in part or in whole? We don't have that in America. Education in this country is fragmented and localized, from kindergarten, up to the highest levels of post-secondary. There is no national education authority in the United States. We have a "Department of Education" in the federal government, but they don't really do anything besides hand out grants and "advisory guidelines" to the states and local institutions. Education in this country is handled at the state-level, and often delegated even further down to the district level. The state might have some standardized metrics and requirements that districts have to meet, but usually the broad swathe of the curriculum and the academic standards used by each school is set by the school or the district as the highest authority. Education is one of the few things the states still maintain their sovereign authority over, a lot of that authority has been ceded to the federal government over the years, so states are loath to give this up and there's always a racket raised whenever the federal government is seen to be prying too much into education.
>>18519017Sounds like a plan!
>>18519032I meant to say that nordic degree holders are required to work in positions they are overqualified for on order to jump through hoops, but I meant to say that Europeans in general have a youth unemployment issue hence the culture of living with your parents until youre much older
>>18519047Almost everyone starts with a half-shit job, that's not the problem of education accessibility, it's the problem of offices not aligning with classrooms. I've worked in corporate jobs with people who studied business and they performed only marginally better than people who studied biology or arts. Overqualification of graduates is often quite overstated.As for Europeans having a youth unemployment issue in general, I'm not sure that's the case. European students are just less likely to "have to" work. It might very well be that it's not Europe hahving a youth unemployment issue, but it's America having a youth financial pressure issue.
>>18518929What we need is for jobs that don't require a degree (tradespeople of various kinds) pay enough to live one, as used to be the case. As long as you must have a degree to even apply for a job that pays a living wage, you'll have to get that degree, one way or another.
>>18518929>incalculable rewards for societyUm source?
>>18519066I like how you skirted over the fact that many Europeans live with their parents until a very old age. (by American standards) That most definitely hasnt always been the case. Up until the the early 2010s it was commonly expected for a bachelor degree holder to start looking at real estate as soon as they got their first job post graduation. We aren't talking about being slightly over-qualified, we're talking about people with a 4 year degree accepting jobs that a high school drop out could apply for. Factory work, the post office, etc.
>>18519109Living with your parents is such an indirect and culturally charged way of addressing education topics that I do think I will skirt over it for the forseeable future.>Up until the the early 2010s it was commonly expected for a bachelor degree holder to start looking at real estate as soon as they got their first job post graduationExpected where? In Italy? Nope. In Greece? Nope. Again, using America as the standard and assuming the difference reveals something about university degrees juxtaposed against job markets is just so convoluted I don't even feel inclined to entertain it.>We aren't talking about being slightly over-qualified, we're talking about people with a 4 year degree accepting jobs that a high school drop out could apply for. Yes, I have seen that. The "overqualification" in question worked on paper, but not in real life.>Factory work, the post office, etc.Those are cases too fringe to conclude something from. I don't know how you imagine Europe, especially the Scandinavian countries, but it's not a bunch of unemployed teenagers getting microbiology degrees and unloading trucks with it.
>>18519134>Living with your parents is such an indirect and culturally charged way of addressing education topics that I do think I will skirt over it for the forseeable future.This is such an idiotic and verifiably untrue statement I'm not going to read any of your drivel.
Education is inherently good, the job market doesn’t matter
Today universities have too many bullshit degrees thanks to women and activists. If your degree doesn’t have a job in its name, it’s a useless degree. In mid 20th century universities were almost all male and majors were for Stem related skills. Too many people are going to college that shouldn’t be.
>>18519198With all the trite information and useless degrees we've uncovered here in modern times I dont see how any sane person could agree with you
>>18519134Most people in America would completely drop their attraction to socialized education if you told them it would result in them or their kids being relegated to living at home until their 30s minimum. I literally cannot comprehend how its socially accepted to date full grown adults and have a sexual relationship with them while residing in their parents home full time.
>>18519191What about it is verifiably untrue?>>18519207Why would you tell them that? That more educated populations will have to live with their grandmas sounds like a cope rather than a sound argument.
>"Mr. President... they ... they accepted 40% more Ancient Greek Literature students than last year.">"We had a good run, Bjorn, call my mother, I'm moving back in."
>>18519212>That more educated populations will have to live with their grandmas sounds like a cope rather than a sound argument.You just admitted that the expectation of moving out of your parents home after being a graduate isn't really a thing and culturally accepted in Europe. If you were to propose that culture change in America nobody would want it anymore. Hence what that other anon said. The enitre reason most kids want a higher education here in America is because it assumed you will actually raise your status. Other than that who really gives a flying fuck if you can quote something or program a fast food app?
>>1851921650% of adults from the age of 19-34 live with their mom and dad, and that figure rises the younger you go, obviously. That is laughable,
>>18519217That's not what I said. I pointed out that this expectation is culturally set. Some European countries expect you to live with the nan, some don't. Why any one of these cultures' or any foreign one's (like American) expectations should be seen as the default benchmark? Why would this benchmark reveal something about education rather than about the house market? I have no idea.Do you guys in America find that the more educated states tend to live with their parents more?
>>18519219The figure rises the less educated you go too.
>>18519225>I pointed out that this expectation is culturally set.Its not like in Europe that graduates make shit loads of money out of college but live with their parents "just because." Its because they literally cannot afford a home or to live alone completely. >Do you guys in America find that the more educated states tend to live with their parents more?In more recent times (the last 20 years,) yes. More and more graduates in fields besides liberal arts are being relegated to entry level work that anybody without a degree can apply for. And the whole point of the OP is proposing that if education becomes subsidized than this trend will only grow larger. Its like the USSR propaganda from the previous century that criticized American culture for its lack of investments in the arts, Look what happened to the USSR, meanwhile the UK has a fuckin statue for Karl Marx
>Euros have mostly subsidized education>Bunch of Italians live 50 people per household>Bunch of Norwegians have too much sex>Bunch of Czechs produce mountains of porn>>>> Mfw subsidized universities cause you to live with your ma, fuck her and upload the video
>>18519225>>18519228I know youre going to lie and say you never go to reddit but one curious short trip to that website will show you the multitudes of people that claim to even have a Masters in a subject but are being laid off or applied to hundreds of jobs with no feed back. Again, how would socializing education fix this?
>>18519236>Its not like in Europe that graduates make shit loads of money out of college It's not like in America they do either. You're beautifully pointing out how people in similar financial situations act differently based on their culture. Again I ask why one case should be judged by the other.>>Do you guys in America find that the more educated states tend to live with their parents more?>In more recent times (the last 20 years,) yes.Could you show me? Because from the data I'm seeing, states with biggest share of degree holders are:>Massachusetts >Colorado>Vermont>Maryland>New Jersey And two of them (Colorado and Vermont) are actually below the US average of 18-34 age group living with their parents. You're trying to generalize a pattern that doesn't even work in America, much less cross-culturally. >Look what happened to the USSRCrazy things. Very few related to education.>>18519239I don't know what I would gain from that excursion, seeing that I never claimed degree holders are immune to lay-offs. None of us are immune. >how would socializing education fix this?Fix layoffs? They wouldn't. How on Earth is education, nay, education finance model supposed to fix the existence of layoffs? You niggas should ring upthe NBA because your reach is off the charts.
>>18518929No, because pretty much everyone who wants to go to college already can (since they're strongly brainwashed to take a massive loan as teens). The job market wouldn't change in the slightest.What would change is the actual cost of universities, as even bloated and corrupt public systems like you have in most of Europe have a tenth or less of the costs than their american counterparts while providing the same quality of education or better.Regardless, the tweet you quoted is retarded, even a 100% government sponsored higher education isn't free, it comes with specific and far from insignificant costs, so whether it's worth to provide it depends on how much it provides. If the whole utility is just a propaganda vector (like most BAs are) for example, then it's not in any way an efficient expense.Still, he's 100% correct that student loans are absolutely predatory and shouldn't be a thing.
>>18518941>arent worth the paper they're printed onBased on what? I would much rather live in a society full of people learned in history and literature than one in which everyone studies rocket engineering and I say that as a STEM graduate myself.There's a value to the humanities that isn't directly quantifiable in terms of employment or increases to industrial production.
>>18519017This would literally filter out people that have won Nobel prizes. IQ hackery is a sure sign of a complete buffoon.
>>18519066>Overqualification of graduates is often quite overstated.Relative to their competence? Sure.Relative to their certifications? Fuck no.I worked warehouse floors where there were more people who went through college than people who stopped with high school.
>>18519066>As for Europeans having a youth unemployment issue in general, I'm not sure that's the caseIt's particularly acute among Southern European countries but then the EU has always existed to direct wealth and talent to Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_unemployment_in_Italy
>>18519266If certifications don't predict competence then the job market is completely justified in having certified people work the shelves.>>18519270Completely agreed. South Europeans like to live with in big bunches and avoid work like the plague. Now let's inspect the idea that they were led to this culture by universities being too cheap to attend ... why on Earth would I think that?
>>18519250>It's not like in America they do either.Culturally speaking this is a relatively new thing. Yes, it was absolutely accepted for the longest time that a base salary for a degree holder was going to be more than enough to get a house and start a family with. Cherry picking two states that have a lower average doesnt even paint the full picture because it doesnt necessarily mean that these individuals are self sufficient.>I didnt say degree holders were immune to lay offsNo shit, think abou9t what causes layoffs in the first place. Is it really that complicated to see why a massive uptick in degree holders in any field could also lead to a layoff crisis? The whole entire critique of H1-B holders for example highlights how companies can short a foreign degree holder's salary in comparison to a domestic graduate. Again, with education being socialized how would these issues not get worse?
>>18519261>I would much rather live in a society full of people learned in history and literature than one in which everyone studies rocket engineering and I say that as a STEM graduate myself.Id rather live in a society where the average individual was capable of rebuilding an engine rather than the ability to quote some philosophic jargon
>>18519274>and avoid work like the plagueNot true at all. Southern Europeans migrate to places like Germany specifically in search of work opportunities.Also the average annual labor hours per worker is generally higher in the southhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hoursGreeks work more than South Koreans, Italians more than Japanese, etc. They're an industrious people stuck in an unfortunate economic situation.
>>18519278>i'm a bugmanso sick of your kind
>>18519278Unironically why?Human society expresses itself through communal interaction, i.e. talking. Knowledge of philosophy, art, literature, history, etc., directly makes you a more worthwhile conversationalist. We remember the most famous philosophers and artists for a reason. We don't really remember the most famous engine mechanics.
>>18519274>Now let's inspect the idea that they were led to this culture by universities being too cheap to attend ... why on Earth would I think that?Are you being sarcastic? It wasnt that long ago I was just reading an article where a "student" was finally kicked out of his dorm after "been enrolled in college" for 22 fuckin years
>>18519283>>18519284>being self-reliant is fucking horrible because you don't have any book smarts!And now you wonder why it costs $6,000 to replace a transmissionOh wait hang on, most Europeans dont even drive a fuckin car anymore
>>18519275>Cherry picking two states that have a lower average doesnt even paint the full pictureThe point wasn't "look at these two states", the point was that share of degree holders doesn't predict share of people living with their parents. The correlation you proposed isn't there. Expand the dataset if you think it will appear, but at this point it would have to be a statistical miracle.>Is it really that complicated to see why a massive uptick in degree holders in any field could also lead to a layoff crisis? Your hypotheses aren't complicated, no. It's the distance between the hypothesis being feasible and the hypothesis being likely that's the problem. Seeing Amazon lay off 500 program managers and assuming this wouldn't happen if fewer anthropologists had a paper hung on their wall is technically feasible if you really go round and round... but it's most likely bs.>with education being socialized how would these issues not get worse?Now this is a different question, and a much more reasonable one. If more people had degrees, companies could prevent layoffs by not hiring excess people. That's all it takes. It has very little to do with degrees. Companies aren't bound to over-hire educated people. >>18519281>Southern Europeans migrate to places like Germany specifically in search of work opportunities.So... outside their culture.>>18519286No I'm being serious. Okay, reason number one to believe southern Euros became lazy and communal because of cheap education: a student was kicked out of his dorm after being enrolled for 22 years.Not a great start. Are there better ones?
>>18519296>Are there better ones?Didn't Greece remove like 100,000 perpetual students from their universities?
>>18519298No idea. Were those 100,000 the most communal and lazy people in Greece is the argument?
>>18519293I didn't say it was horrible. I didn't even make the comparison. You did that.Also self-reliance is half a meme. It's not like you can make your own engine from scratch. You're still engaging with society for things even when you try to engage less.
>>18519296>If more people had degrees, companies could prevent layoffs by not hiring excess people. That's all it takes. It has very little to do with degrees. Companies aren't bound to over-hire educated people.What the hell are you talking about? A great increase of degree holders arent going to make degree holder's jobs redundant because... Companies wont have an incentive to "over hire"? The fuck?
>>18519296>So... outside their culture.I have no idea what you're arguing.
>>18519278>VGH if only there were more dead-eyed wagecattle strivers with no worldly curiosity
>>18519300Holy shit it was 300,000 students and they removed because yes, they were quite literally riding the system. I have the feeling that you are taking this personally now and are intentionally playing dumb
>>18519305>So what can you do?>I can repeat a ton of Walt Witman poetry and Im good at finger paintingWow bravo
>>18519301>Also self-reliance is half a meme. It's not like you can make your own engine from scratch.Maybe not an entire engine but having a population that could run a lathe machine would produce far more competent and useful people than those who studied ancient pootie tang
>>18519303I'm talking about companies avoiding layoffs by not over-hiring. You with me this far?>>18519304I pointed out laziness and communal living is part of the southern culture and you pointed out that once a person moves out of the southern culture, they do not necessarily practice those features. Your point is in complete harmony with mine and we made no progress to resolving our disagreement.>>18519307>they were quite literally riding the systemAgreed. Now back the goalpost ... how does this lead me to conclude universities caused Southern Euros to be lazy and communal?>I have the feeling that you are taking this personally now and are intentionally playing dumbI guess I must be as dumb as they come, please, explain like I'm five ... how do we get from "Greeks played the system" leads to "universities made Greeks live in bunches"?
>>18519207>living with them until their 30s minimumthats how it is for most of the world period, even in the US it was the norm until during the post boom ww2 era and that has been fading for a while
>>18519314>I guess I must be as dumb as they come, please, explain like I'm five ... how do we get from "Greeks played the system" leads to "universities made Greeks live in bunches"?I dont know how this is so difficult to understand but if an individual has the ability to kick the can down the road of responsibility with age by deflecting it with "but im going to school" then theyre going to do it. Basically boiling down to "saving face."
>>18519314Laziness isn't part of southern culture evidenced by their higher work hours and the fact they migrate in search of work opportunities. Our points are not in harmony at all and you haven't demonstrated any of your claims.
>>18519315>it was the norm in USA about a century ago when most the population were relegated to farming and suchInteresting!
>>18519309not every conversation is a job interview, I could have a much more interesting discussion with a humanities dude than some tryhard machine sperg
>>18519313They're only competent and useful in a limited industrial sense which isn't especially important in an era of cheap foreign labor. I would rather come from the country with the greatest literature than the one which made cheap goods piling up in landfills.
>>18519319Right, so an individual who is interested in living communally and in being lazy can use the university as a means to achieve that. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me! Notice how you just painted a picture of Greeks being communal and lazy already coming into univesities. Not a picture of universities making Greeks communal and lazy. You have not met the goalpost. And let's cut it short, you will not meet it, because Greeks, Italians, Croatians and many more browned Euros were like this long before universities became within a commoner's reach. This has been the craziest hail mary I've seen opponents of subsidized education throw.>>18519320> their higher work hours Not attributed to work ethic in your sources. I worked long hours watching memes in my first job.>and the fact they migrate in search of work opportunitiesHaving to migrate outside of your culture to get a job is perhaps the most harmony you could have granted me.I don't think I'll do a better job explaining why your objections are speculative and have little to no value in terms of culture juxtaposition. At this point if you're not seeing why, then that's how it will have to remain.
>>18518977They get in debt to the state organ that handles the study grants since it's actually a pittance that needs a loan to be livable.If they're smart their degree immediately leads to a job, like teachers or STEM stuff, or they wallow around in misery.t. Swede
>>18519325>>18519328Man, I'm loving the narcissism. Relegating a lathe operator to someone that "makes cheap junk" is insane. I'm far more impressed with an uneducated machinist that works within tolerances of 10,000thof an inch than someone talking about fucking literature. Maybe thats why most machinist that can do that have no problem finding a job that can pay them well above the class they began in without having to bed the government for tax money subsidies
>If we just keep people less educated, companies will start hire reasonably and Greeks will finally get jobs and move out
>>18519329>Right, so an individual who is interested in living communally and in being lazy can use the university as a means to achieve that. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me!And thus the OP, since degree holders are graduating universities with education beyond liberal studies and theyre still being relegated to living with roomates and such.
>>18519332>SwedeDUDE! Like 10 years ago a Swede posted some youtube video making fun of the over-education problem in Sweden... It was a comical bit where a ton of people were rabidly chasing a man with a brief case, and through it you had children who were apart of the police or working construction on order to "get their certifications."At the very end it was revealed that inside the briefcase was an offer for a full time position, and THATS what everyone was so rabid over.. Not sure if you know what im talking about but I've never been able to find it since then
>>18519329>Not attributed to work ethic in your sources. I worked long hours watching memes in my first job.I see no reason to believe there are more wasted hours in southern work life than in the north. If you have some basis for this belief then please enlightenment.>your objections are speculativeMuch like your claim that southern culture is lazy. I'm still waiting on the proof of that by the way.
>>18519337>>If we just pay for everyone's education, companies will start hire reasonably and Greeks will finally get jobs and move out
>>18519337https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1383562/Leisurely-life-of-eternal-student-is-under-threat.htmlYeah youre playing stupid.
>>18519342Tried looking around for something similar to that, but I couldn't find anything, sorry bro.But yeah we do have that problem because boomers and gen x pushed all of their kids to go to university, which has lead to a lot of highly educated people and not enough jobs for them.
>>18519029>making out with fat emo bitchesI scored top in my major and I wish I got in on a little more of that. Got to make out with a torta though while we dated for a bit. Goddamn they know how to kiss
>>18519365The video was called "Vuxna människor" by the apparent sketch comedy group Grotesco. The episode thats broken into parts was called "SvenneåretBut for whatever reason google is a massive MASSIVE fucking piece of shit that knows exactly what im talking about but refuses to provide a single link
>>18518929But a college degree still increases your chances of getting a job. Knowledge makes you more useful.
>>18519365>>18519392GOD FUCKING DAMNIT FUCK YOU GOOGLE YOU NIGGER
>College should be free....College is already free. Community College exists, you don't have to fork over money for a private university>nobody hires community college graduatesthey will if the hiring market really does become as dire as this retard says it is
>>18519278Correct. History and philosophy are recreational pursuits, not careers anyone should expect to earn a living from. People need to get it through their head that most degrees are worthless and that they wasted their shot by getting scammed.
>>18519333>makes cheap junkNobody said this except for you and your bizarre persecution complex.>have no problem finding a job that can pay them well above the class they began inLife isn't about getting a job you faggot. By your own reasoning, being a day trader who gets a multi million dollar portfolio is even better than being a lathe operator. Yet that person has contributed nothing except moving money around.
No, higher education should not be free.If it were, everyone would be a student for their entire lives. School would never end.School should not be mandatory in the first place, for anyone. The state of the education system is absolutely dire, and you are subsidizing failure. Radical steps are required and that involves a voucher system where the parents get the money instead of administrators, so they decide where to send their kids.Also guaranteed student loans by the government shouldn't be driving up the cost of tuition to ridiculous levels just so administrators can siphon off that money to pay themselves more. They should also be forgivable, like any other loan is. In fact, forgivable loans are the primary driver of inflation, since banks just handwave new money into existence as 0s and 1s any time anyone takes out a loan from them. They don't have the money, they just pretend it exists. Your money is backed literally by debt.Education already is subsidized.That's why it costs so much.You think dairy subsidies reduce the cost of milk? No, the government is paying farmers to offset their loss from being mandated by law to destroy surplus produce, which is expressly designed to keep the supermarket business profitable for the tiny clique of owners.You think other agricultural subsides keep the price down?No. They are paying farmers *not* to plant their fields, because if they did we would have a food surplus and commodities futures speculators would lose lots of money.
>>18519440>Nobody said this except for you and your bizarre persecution complex.>I would rather come from the country with the greatest literature than the one which made cheap goods piling up in landfills.
>>18519274>If certifications don't predict competence then the job market is completely justified in having certified people work the shelves.Then why bother asking for them in the first place?
